RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 22 Jun 2024 05:48
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Nah, it makes sense. Apple really likes their proprietary walled garden, so the interoperability requirements trouble them deeply.
agressivelyPassive@feddit.de
on 22 Jun 2024 06:21
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No.
Interoperability is only required, if you have a significant market share. Apple does not have this in the EU. iMessage specifically doesn’t fall under this regulation, since hardly anyone uses it.
And since Apple plans to publish an SDK for their intelligence anyway, you can’t really regulate them for being too closed.
So either that’s a purely political retaliation, or their “super privacy friendly” services aren’t as privacy friendly as they claim.
WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world
on 22 Jun 2024 06:28
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or their “super privacy friendly” services aren’t as privacy friendly as they claim.
I would bet real currency it’s this one.
RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 22 Jun 2024 07:41
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Apple does have a significant market share of 25-30% in Europe. Just because they avoided having to open iMessage (for now) because everyone in Europe uses WhatsApp, doesn’t mean other Apple services are safe from regulation.
But I’m with you - it’s more likely about (not so) privacy.
“anything slightly complex” is an overstatement though, it would ask for some specific LLM tasks, and the vast majority of what apple has built is not LLM or even generative. to me the most useful features are prioritising notifications for a semi-dnd mode and searching for objects in photos 🤷♀️
meliaesc@lemmynsfw.com
on 22 Jun 2024 16:31
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Read over it again, and there’s 3 tiers. Local, apple cloud, and then chatgpt. It won’t prompt for Apple cloud requests.
kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com
on 22 Jun 2024 16:46
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it all seems okay from a technical perspective but you are right that it’s not good to have to trust apple here. i would love to see a setting to prompt the user for apples cloud, in the same way that it currently prompts for chatgpt.
kolorafa@lemmy.world
on 28 Jun 2024 07:57
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They did say that their servers dont store anything and they do some cloud “verification” before sending any data to it, but in my opiniom they should have a setting/prompt/indication for that apple cloud part too, especially as you might be on mobile.
The include of chatgpt with the prompt is making it confusing and making the apple cloud less talked about …
themurphy@lemmy.ml
on 22 Jun 2024 11:33
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Who cares.
If Apple don’t want to compete fair in the market, then others will.
And no iPhone user will miss an AI feature. Most of them don’t even understand how to use 80% of the phones features anyway.
UncommonBagOfLoot@lemmy.world
on 22 Jun 2024 11:57
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then others will
Unfortunately, I don’t think the others want to compete fair either. It’s a big race to shove garbage to consumers.
anon_8675309@lemmy.world
on 22 Jun 2024 17:45
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I mean, can we get this in the US also?? Nobody wants this shit.
riodoro1@lemmy.world
on 23 Jun 2024 07:04
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Im in the eu and Im fucking devastated.
jose1324@lemmy.world
on 23 Jun 2024 10:48
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Why. This is good
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 23 Jun 2024 10:58
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I think they are being sarcastic without putting /s
riodoro1@lemmy.world
on 23 Jun 2024 14:25
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This. I never realize how autistic people on the internet are
Scribbd@feddit.nl
on 23 Jun 2024 14:57
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localhost443@discuss.tchncs.de
on 23 Jun 2024 20:13
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I think specifically with sarcasm it’s an American issue. It’s natural to us EU people, we can usually just detect it by instinct.
I’ve dealt with US people who just fail to detect it both on the phone and face to face. So no chance with text…
stebator@lemmy.world
on 23 Jun 2024 10:49
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Apple is stepping on its own tail. The correct way to implement such features is to provide API to integrate any AI with their device, not only ChatGPT. And as an example, they should provide their own completely optional app for this, which could be downloaded from the App Store. This app should not be part of iOS at all. So EU regulators cannot do anything with it or it will be harder for them to figure out ways to restrict it. And users will worry less about privacy.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world
on 23 Jun 2024 20:01
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It probably doesn’t need to be an optional app if they’re giving you the ability to use any model you want at the OS level integration.
When you’re using the device for the first time show a screen and let them choose AI / provide their own local model.
I wonder how listing things alphabetical would go given apple would keep them near the top.
lipilee@feddit.nl
on 23 Jun 2024 16:38
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Regulation works.
Fridgeratr@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 23 Jun 2024 19:22
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sounds like EU really dodged that bullet. Good on them.
Y’all just becoming luddites afraid of big scary tech. Oh no, the big bad siri 2 is going to hurt me!!!
Why are you using Lemmy then? Go back to reddit if you aren’t scared of them
I didn’t realize Lemmy was so restrictive. 🙄
What are you going on about?
Don’t interact with these people. He’s clearly a moron, purposefully using provocative slurs
That’s what they said about bitcoin, and there’s still nothing useful at any kind of scale outside of scams.
Look into what the luddites actually where, instead of repeating propaganda
Lololol not sure what you even think it’s going to change.
Can't imagine how this could be perceived as anything but retaliation for the EU daring to attempt to regulate Apple
That was my first thought.
Nah, it makes sense. Apple really likes their proprietary walled garden, so the interoperability requirements trouble them deeply.
No.
Interoperability is only required, if you have a significant market share. Apple does not have this in the EU. iMessage specifically doesn’t fall under this regulation, since hardly anyone uses it.
And since Apple plans to publish an SDK for their intelligence anyway, you can’t really regulate them for being too closed.
So either that’s a purely political retaliation, or their “super privacy friendly” services aren’t as privacy friendly as they claim.
I would bet real currency it’s this one.
Apple does have a significant market share of 25-30% in Europe. Just because they avoided having to open iMessage (for now) because everyone in Europe uses WhatsApp, doesn’t mean other Apple services are safe from regulation.
But I’m with you - it’s more likely about (not so) privacy.
Yeah exactly. Remember when they wanted to kill PWAs in Europe blaming the DMA? They had to revert course eventually due to backlash.
It’s very easy for them to twist the history. Losing PWA would have really sucked. I use those quite extensively, even if they aren’t perfect
Me too! I even develop some PWAs. It’s great for specialized stuff that doesn’t need to be on the AppStore.
Oh, I missed them having to backpedal on that! That’s good news.
Apple’s may start being salty and blame everything on anti-trust from now on.
Why were your beans cold this morning? EU’s DMA.
Why did you get delayed to your event? EU’s DMA.
Why did it rain on the one day you were planning to take a trip? EU’s DMA, of course.
Oh yes, won’t miss that.
Insert bored Jeremy Clarkson meme
And nothing of value was lost…
By the way, how is apple intelligence different from potato intelligence?
More sugar
Funny how companies believe they are punishing you by withholding AI crap nobody wants.
Data privacy AND not having to deal with more bullshit AI? Oh my, how will we ever cope with this… /s
wasn’t the main point of apples ai that it runs on device? asking explicitly every time it might need to send data anywhere else seems fine
There’s apparently different tiers, where some stuff is done locally but anything slightly complex would require it go to apple’s servers.
yeah, i remember watching the announcement live, they said that in some cases it would prompt the user, like this
(photo taken from apples announcement blog post)
“anything slightly complex” is an overstatement though, it would ask for some specific LLM tasks, and the vast majority of what apple has built is not LLM or even generative. to me the most useful features are prioritising notifications for a semi-dnd mode and searching for objects in photos 🤷♀️
Read over it again, and there’s 3 tiers. Local, apple cloud, and then chatgpt. It won’t prompt for Apple cloud requests.
thanks, i looked into apples cloud, they have this article security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/
it all seems okay from a technical perspective but you are right that it’s not good to have to trust apple here. i would love to see a setting to prompt the user for apples cloud, in the same way that it currently prompts for chatgpt.
They did say that their servers dont store anything and they do some cloud “verification” before sending any data to it, but in my opiniom they should have a setting/prompt/indication for that apple cloud part too, especially as you might be on mobile.
The include of chatgpt with the prompt is making it confusing and making the apple cloud less talked about …
Who cares.
If Apple don’t want to compete fair in the market, then others will.
And no iPhone user will miss an AI feature. Most of them don’t even understand how to use 80% of the phones features anyway.
Unfortunately, I don’t think the others want to compete fair either. It’s a big race to shove garbage to consumers.
Well, if it’s illegal to do otherwise, some must do it, because the money involved are big.
I cant wait for all the small smartphone manufacturers and os developers to come up with their solutions.
At least it opens up for challenge.
Dumb phones on the rise.
I mean, can we get this in the US also?? Nobody wants this shit.
Im in the eu and Im fucking devastated.
Why. This is good
I think they are being sarcastic without putting /s
This. I never realize how autistic people on the internet are
<img alt="Marge Simpson: It’s true, but he shouldn’t say it." src="https://media1.tenor.com/m/fm_6VT9WhgAAAAAC/its-true-but-he-shouldnt-say-it-marge-simpson.gif">
I think specifically with sarcasm it’s an American issue. It’s natural to us EU people, we can usually just detect it by instinct.
I’ve dealt with US people who just fail to detect it both on the phone and face to face. So no chance with text…
Apple is stepping on its own tail. The correct way to implement such features is to provide API to integrate any AI with their device, not only ChatGPT. And as an example, they should provide their own completely optional app for this, which could be downloaded from the App Store. This app should not be part of iOS at all. So EU regulators cannot do anything with it or it will be harder for them to figure out ways to restrict it. And users will worry less about privacy.
It probably doesn’t need to be an optional app if they’re giving you the ability to use any model you want at the OS level integration.
When you’re using the device for the first time show a screen and let them choose AI / provide their own local model.
I wonder how listing things alphabetical would go given apple would keep them near the top.
Regulation works.
Lol, lmao even
Google AI is already dominant there.