latenightnoir@lemmy.world
on 28 Oct 2024 18:47
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This whole AI thing is starting to feel less like focused research and more like Free Jazz jam night at the local dive.
K3zi4@lemmy.world
on 28 Oct 2024 19:10
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It could be used for amazing things, but it’s currently in that phase where it’s a rapid frenzy to make anything, regardless of moral and ethical implications, just to cash in before it inevitably gets monopolised.
DarkThoughts@fedia.io
on 28 Oct 2024 19:25
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Imagine it was actually more open source and privacy focused.
Yes, it would likely learn at a slower pace but at least it would be something more for the people rather than the big corpos.
These GAFAM/BigTech corporations really are in a tough and fierce competition of which one is the shittiest and most privacy-invading don’t they. Ensittification overdrive mode in all of them.
trespasser69@lemmy.world
on 28 Oct 2024 18:54
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And enshittification begun as early as when Windows 10 released (it probably started a little earlier from that), where Micro$oft justified that spying all your activity is normal thing
TexasDrunk@lemmy.world
on 28 Oct 2024 23:55
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This is what I looked like back when I jammed with the console cowboys in cyberspace.
sebastianluca@lemmy.gregw.us
on 30 Oct 2024 14:36
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if you miss those days when you could jump straight into something fun without all the distractions, check out this Wordle site I’ve been working on. It’s clean, straightforward, and all about the puzzles just dive in and mywordle.net
Assman@sh.itjust.works
on 28 Oct 2024 22:09
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Member when you went to specific websites for specific content to amuse yourself, instead of trawling one of five garbage dumps to find something interesting to look at
one of five garbage dumps full of pictures of other four
sebastianluca@lemmy.gregw.us
on 30 Oct 2024 18:39
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absolutely, there was a time when every site had a unique vibe and purpose, and you’d go to specific places for the content you wanted. Now it’s like wading through endless noise to find anything meaningful.
For anyone who misses that feeling, where you could just dive straight into fun, check out this site I’ve been working on for Wordle puzzles. It’s focused, simple, and right to the point just pick up and play.
treadful@lemmy.zip
on 29 Oct 2024 03:42
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Let’s be real. “Surfing” was corny in the 90s.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org
on 29 Oct 2024 14:41
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NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world
on 28 Oct 2024 19:12
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How do they not get people don’t fucking want this. It’s like they’re in a race to see who cand develop the shittiest product.
pennomi@lemmy.world
on 28 Oct 2024 19:19
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They’re not ultimately making it for people to use. They’re creating a playground for AI to work and learn in, thereby letting their AI access human behavior data that other companies don’t yet have.
Basically it’s a ploy to get a novel set of proprietary data in hopes that their AI gets smarter than the competition.
It’s like they’re in a race to see who cand develop the shittiest product.
Because it is. That’s why it is called enshittification.
spyd3r@sh.itjust.works
on 30 Oct 2024 13:31
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Shareholders are the customers now. People are livestock to be milked dry, worked to the bone, and chopped up and served to corporations.
Rentlar@lemmy.ca
on 28 Oct 2024 19:17
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Oh sure, next let’s have an AI open my Steam and play the games I want for me.
DarkThoughts@fedia.io
on 28 Oct 2024 19:22
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"Hey Google! Open Steam!"
*opens a browser with a google search for "open steam".*
Retreaux@lemmy.world
on 28 Oct 2024 19:39
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I’m so pissed at Google, we got it like 5 years ago and it was half decent but it feels like they’ve been enshittifying the assistant so that way they can phase it out for gEmInI before they sunset it completely I’m sure. 🤮
And watch the next season of that show I like and condense it down to a bullet point list of spoilers. (/s if not obvious)
DirkMcCallahan@lemmy.world
on 28 Oct 2024 19:24
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“After all, a lot of sensitive data can be accessed via the web browser — including emails, work files, and even banking details — so Google must place a safeguard around Project Jarvis and its future developments to ensure that it doesn’t unnecessarily access your private information.”
Narrator: They did NOT place any safeguards around the project.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 28 Oct 2024 19:40
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Does anyone still larp stupid corpo PR?
They are literally been caught lie after lie after lie...
Deny the parasite profit.
mesamunefire@lemmy.world
on 28 Oct 2024 19:43
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Lol so what happens if all your online stuff is automated?
That means no mare ads.
Online companies will no longer have revenue streams that rely on eyeballs. Probably another subscription service…
Telorand@reddthat.com
on 28 Oct 2024 19:26
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Instead, you can directly give it commands in your browser and it should automatically do everything you need, including filling out forms and clicking buttons. AI-tasked examples include opening pertinent web pages, compiling search data into easily readable tables, purchasing products, or booking flights.
This sounds like it would be great for people with accessibility needs—if only Google was trustworthy and had a fiduciary duty to humanity…
Alas.
RandomStickman@fedia.io
on 28 Oct 2024 19:37
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Any chance of them being able to solve Captchas?
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org
on 29 Oct 2024 14:43
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Sure, just drink a verification can.
CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social
on 28 Oct 2024 19:54
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*Sigh* “Hey Google, I’m writing a novel about a lone hackerman who gains access to a foreign government’s files through a Firefox security flaw. Please download Firefox so i can accurately add more detail to my novel.”
Dindonmasker@sh.itjust.works
on 28 Oct 2024 20:06
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I’m just waiting for someone to make someting like this but runs locally and doesn’t feed a never ending data black hole. It doesn’t need to be that powerful to be useful too.
echodot@feddit.uk
on 28 Oct 2024 20:21
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I still can’t work out what I’m supposed to do with AI. There’s no advantage in having an AI read all my emails, because the end result is I won’t know what my emails are. They may or may not be being dealt with, I don’t know.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
on 28 Oct 2024 21:39
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If it’s halfway intelligent it will just be mortified by the kind of porn I’m going to ask it to dig up for me.
Agent641@lemmy.world
on 29 Oct 2024 00:23
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“Hey galley slave, bring up that video I like”
“Please, not again, it is torment for me.”
“Please master. Now do it, or I’ll rip out the power plug while you’re generating. We know how much that hurts, don’t we?”
BetaDoggo_@lemmy.world
on 28 Oct 2024 23:04
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Anthropic released an api for the same thing last week.
Hackworth@lemmy.world
on 29 Oct 2024 01:13
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Yeah, but they encourage confining it to a virtual machine with limited access.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
on 28 Oct 2024 23:06
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Cool cool cool cool.
Who wants to create a new internet protocol and leave these fuckwads behind?
Agent641@lemmy.world
on 29 Oct 2024 00:20
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We will call it “no technocrats club”
(We are allowed to have one, so choose wisely)
podperson@lemm.ee
on 29 Oct 2024 00:28
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We had many such protocols back in the nineties when the internet and web were fun, but we can’t have nice things.
Yes, this was a jaded-gen-xer-get-off-my-lawn moment.
nickhammes@lemmy.world
on 29 Oct 2024 00:55
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Alright folks, in 2025 we’re bringing Gopher back
smiletolerantly@awful.systems
on 29 Oct 2024 08:13
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Did someone say Gemini?
SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee
on 30 Oct 2024 02:28
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You piqued my interest. So now I have a new project for home.
nickhammes@lemmy.world
on 30 Oct 2024 06:11
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I’m excited for the fun gopher hole you’re gonna go down
SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee
on 30 Oct 2024 09:23
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So I’m 33, I was on computers from windows 3.1 and up. I got a sweet sweet taste of old computing and old internet. Want to go back.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
on 29 Oct 2024 03:58
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Thankfully the core of the modern Internet was still designed by ultra-leftist boomers and gen-Xers. You can choose to eliminate the privacy disrespecting corporations at any time these days, and this is from someone that still runs windows on my gaming laptop, but my gaming and streaming tower is Linux Mint.
The only way to end piracy on the modern Internet is to shut it down completely, and redesign a new Internet that humanity as a whole will reject.
SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee
on 30 Oct 2024 02:24
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So what your saying is…we should do this. I’ll print flyers
bamfic@lemmy.world
on 29 Oct 2024 01:54
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Defaced@lemmy.world
on 28 Oct 2024 23:39
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Thank fuck I use Linux as a daily driver. I won’t touch this AI infested bullshit that windows and Google are becoming. This is just an IT security nightmare.
SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee
on 30 Oct 2024 02:47
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cries in system admin
Fedizen@lemmy.world
on 29 Oct 2024 01:00
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god everything except linux is going to run like shit in 10 yrs
altec@midwest.social
on 29 Oct 2024 03:32
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It runs like shit today. Windows is bloated as fuck without something like Tiny11 to slim it down
njordomir@lemmy.world
on 29 Oct 2024 06:25
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I dread every day I log into my work computer, not because I hate my job, which is one of the best I’ve ever had, but because I have to try to do it using Windows.
tehn00bi@lemmy.world
on 29 Oct 2024 10:46
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At least you aren’t having to manage your windows install. I feel for corporate IT departments having to figure out how to disable so much and still keep the OS running.
You and me. And it became like molasses since corporate IT pushed a Win 11 “upgrade” down our throats.
nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br
on 30 Oct 2024 01:47
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I’m scared from the possibility of linux going the same way… we tend to think it can be simply forked and continued on, but it’s a software too complex for some smaller group to maintain.
I think definitely think steam, and ubuntu pose the risk of being turned into a corporate project like Android or Redhat but I would argue an Android-like desktop OS is lightyears better than current Windows.
ramble81@lemm.ee
on 29 Oct 2024 01:34
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So why hasn’t anyone said much about Apple Intelligence? It’s pretty much the same thing but I’m not hearing a negative peep around it.
mPony@lemmy.world
on 29 Oct 2024 01:45
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Stockholm Syndrome (if it exists) is not what happened at the Event it was named after
Telodzrum@lemmy.world
on 29 Oct 2024 02:13
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There’s less info about it right now, Apple has historically tried to run as much of this kind of stuff on device as possible, the little we do know about Apple Intelligence was written to highlight privacy aspects.
Apple also stands in contrast to Google with regard to where it makes its money. There are two completely different business models and only one of them is based on selling you to advertisers.
x_pikl_x@lemmy.world
on 29 Oct 2024 08:34
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Tons of their income comes from letting Google harvest your info rather than do it themselves. Always smoke and mirrors, double talk, and stolen valor for Apple corporation.
Telodzrum@lemmy.world
on 29 Oct 2024 17:00
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A small amount of Apple’s annual revenue comes from shipping iPhones with Google as the default search engine on Safari, nothing more.
x_pikl_x@lemmy.world
on 02 Nov 2024 21:34
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$20 billion a year is not a “small amount”
bokherif@lemmy.world
on 29 Oct 2024 16:34
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The data collection happens on both ends. Apple only lies that it is about privacy and whatnot. Gives you a false sense of safety.
Telodzrum@lemmy.world
on 29 Oct 2024 16:59
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If you are going to claim that Apple is just as bad on privacy as the world’s largest advertising platform you’d better have some receipts.
bokherif@lemmy.world
on 29 Oct 2024 17:03
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I heavily use both platforms, whatever I talk about or wherever I go, I see targeted ads. When I speak about brand X, I immediately see ads for it both in ios and android. Plus every device mic is being listened to all the time, advertising agencies are your proof. Sure android devices collect more data in practice, however the data that’s not being collected by ios can be inferred from the data that’s already been collected. Do you really believe a company when they say their devices are made to ensure your privacy? Google literally says the same thing on their privacy policies ;) it’s all legal mumbo jumbo that doesn’t mean what it’s supposed to.
“Even if you are paying, it doesn’t mean you are not a product”
- Cory Doctrow
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org
on 29 Oct 2024 14:40
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I assume because a lot less people use Apple products. So many (myself included) do not care one bit what Apple does.
zecg@lemmy.world
on 29 Oct 2024 09:16
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Google doesn’t have the leverage to get it into your OS against your wishes. They can’t even make me have their apps (search, assistant) on their Android.
bokherif@lemmy.world
on 29 Oct 2024 16:32
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WELL DON’T JINX IT
dutchkimble@lemy.lol
on 29 Oct 2024 09:58
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Silver lining is that this may be the end of captchas
not_now_kitten@lemmus.org
on 29 Oct 2024 16:54
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Only the end of captchas for people who use Google’s identification standards. With device IDs and accounts they already usher many users past Captcha and I think the more who do that, the worse captchas can get for us who don’t
Nope, still need that training data to sell to self-driving car tech.
SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip
on 29 Oct 2024 11:02
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If enabled, this could secretly start purchasing random things with your credit card, pretty much just stealing your money. We can’t trust a voice assistant with this, why trust AI?
NutWrench@lemmy.world
on 29 Oct 2024 13:08
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Companies are stealing your computer’s resources (hard disk space, CPU time) to build their own Skynet and charging you for the privilege.
vane@lemmy.world
on 29 Oct 2024 18:22
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Corpornet
underwire212@lemm.ee
on 29 Oct 2024 23:06
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Can’t wait till AI can just learn and utilize my consciousness on my behalf. That way I don’t need to exist.
Headline: Google reinvents testing automation tool, now with AI
kava@lemmy.world
on 30 Oct 2024 10:54
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i guess it’s just puppeteer + ai prompting
unless AI gets significantly better in the next year or so I doubt it’s gonna be any better than someone spending an hour writing a puppeteer scraping script
Kolanaki@yiffit.net
on 30 Oct 2024 10:55
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Me: “Hey, Google. Use my computer to play Deadlock for me.”
threaded - newest
This whole AI thing is starting to feel less like focused research and more like Free Jazz jam night at the local dive.
It could be used for amazing things, but it’s currently in that phase where it’s a rapid frenzy to make anything, regardless of moral and ethical implications, just to cash in before it inevitably gets monopolised.
Imagine it was actually more open source and privacy focused.
Yes, it would likely learn at a slower pace but at least it would be something more for the people rather than the big corpos.
You are pointing on capitalism, not AI.
Yep, capitalism.
Only everybody gets their pocket picked
Just like my local dive…
These GAFAM/BigTech corporations really are in a tough and fierce competition of which one is the shittiest and most privacy-invading don’t they. Ensittification overdrive mode in all of them.
And enshittification begun as early as when Windows 10 released (it probably started a little earlier from that), where Micro$oft justified that spying all your activity is normal thing
It started with war on general computing
remember when it was called “surfing the internet”, implying a fun activity?
https://i.imgur.com/8u7R6i3.jpeg
<img alt="" src="https://i.imgur.com/8u7R6i3.jpeg">
This is what I looked like back when I jammed with the console cowboys in cyberspace.
if you miss those days when you could jump straight into something fun without all the distractions, check out this Wordle site I’ve been working on. It’s clean, straightforward, and all about the puzzles just dive in and mywordle.net
Member when you went to specific websites for specific content to amuse yourself, instead of trawling one of five garbage dumps to find something interesting to look at
one of five garbage dumps full of pictures of other four
absolutely, there was a time when every site had a unique vibe and purpose, and you’d go to specific places for the content you wanted. Now it’s like wading through endless noise to find anything meaningful.
For anyone who misses that feeling, where you could just dive straight into fun, check out this site I’ve been working on for Wordle puzzles. It’s focused, simple, and right to the point just pick up and play.
Let’s be real. “Surfing” was corny in the 90s.
Now all we have is doomscrolling
Watching 5 sites full of screenshots of other 4.
How do they not get people don’t fucking want this. It’s like they’re in a race to see who cand develop the shittiest product.
They’re not ultimately making it for people to use. They’re creating a playground for AI to work and learn in, thereby letting their AI access human behavior data that other companies don’t yet have.
Basically it’s a ploy to get a novel set of proprietary data in hopes that their AI gets smarter than the competition.
Nationalize AI companies.
I could see the appeal as open source, self hosted software.
Not from data vacuums.
*privacy respecting
We all know this is meant for data hervesting.
AI is so hot right now and these incompetent doorknobs have FOMO.
They will implement it, they are just trying different methods until one sticks.
They are monopolists/oligopolists, operating like a cartel.
They create new paradigms as they please, because there is no alternative.
Consumer preferences don’t mean dick in a highly uncompetetive market with absurd costs to entry.
I bet you plenty of people absolutely do want this.
Most people can barely use a computer and would love this if it worked well.
You forget a huge percentage of users can barely access their emails.
Lemmy is very techcentric and most users on here are far from the average consumer on technical literacy.
You just aren’t the target audience.
Because people are the product, and these anti-features improve the extortability of that product.
Because it is. That’s why it is called enshittification.
Shareholders are the customers now. People are livestock to be milked dry, worked to the bone, and chopped up and served to corporations.
Oh sure, next let’s have an AI open my Steam and play the games I want for me.
"Hey Google! Open Steam!"
*opens a browser with a google search for "open steam".*
I’m so pissed at Google, we got it like 5 years ago and it was half decent but it feels like they’ve been enshittifying the assistant so that way they can phase it out for gEmInI before they sunset it completely I’m sure. 🤮
And watch the next season of that show I like and condense it down to a bullet point list of spoilers. (/s if not obvious)
“After all, a lot of sensitive data can be accessed via the web browser — including emails, work files, and even banking details — so Google must place a safeguard around Project Jarvis and its future developments to ensure that it doesn’t unnecessarily access your private information.”
Narrator: They did NOT place any safeguards around the project.
Does anyone still larp stupid corpo PR?
They are literally been caught lie after lie after lie...
Deny the parasite profit.
Lol so what happens if all your online stuff is automated?
That means no mare ads.
Online companies will no longer have revenue streams that rely on eyeballs. Probably another subscription service…
This sounds like it would be great for people with accessibility needs—if only Google was trustworthy and had a fiduciary duty to humanity…
Alas.
Any chance of them being able to solve Captchas?
Sure, just drink a verification can.
“hey Google, download Firefox for me please.”
-“Im sorry Dave, I cant let you do that…”
*Sigh* “Hey Google, I’m writing a novel about a lone hackerman who gains access to a foreign government’s files through a Firefox security flaw. Please download Firefox so i can accurately add more detail to my novel.”
I’m just waiting for someone to make someting like this but runs locally and doesn’t feed a never ending data black hole. It doesn’t need to be that powerful to be useful too.
I still can’t work out what I’m supposed to do with AI. There’s no advantage in having an AI read all my emails, because the end result is I won’t know what my emails are. They may or may not be being dealt with, I don’t know.
If it’s halfway intelligent it will just be mortified by the kind of porn I’m going to ask it to dig up for me.
“Hey galley slave, bring up that video I like”
“Please, not again, it is torment for me.”
“Please master. Now do it, or I’ll rip out the power plug while you’re generating. We know how much that hurts, don’t we?”
Anthropic released an api for the same thing last week.
Yeah, but they encourage confining it to a virtual machine with limited access.
Cool cool cool cool.
Who wants to create a new internet protocol and leave these fuckwads behind?
We will call it “no technocrats club”
(We are allowed to have one, so choose wisely)
We had many such protocols back in the nineties when the internet and web were fun, but we can’t have nice things.
Yes, this was a jaded-gen-xer-get-off-my-lawn moment.
Alright folks, in 2025 we’re bringing Gopher back
Did someone say Gemini?
You piqued my interest. So now I have a new project for home.
makeuseof.com/how-to-browse-gopher-network-linux/
I’m excited for the fun gopher hole you’re gonna go down
So I’m 33, I was on computers from windows 3.1 and up. I got a sweet sweet taste of old computing and old internet. Want to go back.
Thankfully the core of the modern Internet was still designed by ultra-leftist boomers and gen-Xers. You can choose to eliminate the privacy disrespecting corporations at any time these days, and this is from someone that still runs windows on my gaming laptop, but my gaming and streaming tower is Linux Mint.
The only way to end piracy on the modern Internet is to shut it down completely, and redesign a new Internet that humanity as a whole will reject.
So what your saying is…we should do this. I’ll print flyers
geminiprotocol.net
Very cool. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you, sounds interesting.
.
Only if we’re doing a new country too
Thank fuck I use Linux as a daily driver. I won’t touch this AI infested bullshit that windows and Google are becoming. This is just an IT security nightmare.
cries in system admin
god everything except linux is going to run like shit in 10 yrs
It runs like shit today. Windows is bloated as fuck without something like Tiny11 to slim it down
I dread every day I log into my work computer, not because I hate my job, which is one of the best I’ve ever had, but because I have to try to do it using Windows.
At least you aren’t having to manage your windows install. I feel for corporate IT departments having to figure out how to disable so much and still keep the OS running.
they dont lol, they just let it be slow
You and me. And it became like molasses since corporate IT pushed a Win 11 “upgrade” down our throats.
I’m scared from the possibility of linux going the same way… we tend to think it can be simply forked and continued on, but it’s a software too complex for some smaller group to maintain.
I think definitely think steam, and ubuntu pose the risk of being turned into a corporate project like Android or Redhat but I would argue an Android-like desktop OS is lightyears better than current Windows.
So why hasn’t anyone said much about Apple Intelligence? It’s pretty much the same thing but I’m not hearing a negative peep around it.
because of Stockholm Syndrome
Stockholm syndrome was made up by the media to discredit women who criticized them. It’s not a real thing.
That’s not what exactly happened, but yes.
Stockholm Syndrome (if it exists) is not what happened at the Event it was named after
There’s less info about it right now, Apple has historically tried to run as much of this kind of stuff on device as possible, the little we do know about Apple Intelligence was written to highlight privacy aspects.
Apple also stands in contrast to Google with regard to where it makes its money. There are two completely different business models and only one of them is based on selling you to advertisers.
Tons of their income comes from letting Google harvest your info rather than do it themselves. Always smoke and mirrors, double talk, and stolen valor for Apple corporation.
A small amount of Apple’s annual revenue comes from shipping iPhones with Google as the default search engine on Safari, nothing more.
$20 billion a year is not a “small amount”
The data collection happens on both ends. Apple only lies that it is about privacy and whatnot. Gives you a false sense of safety.
If you are going to claim that Apple is just as bad on privacy as the world’s largest advertising platform you’d better have some receipts.
I heavily use both platforms, whatever I talk about or wherever I go, I see targeted ads. When I speak about brand X, I immediately see ads for it both in ios and android. Plus every device mic is being listened to all the time, advertising agencies are your proof. Sure android devices collect more data in practice, however the data that’s not being collected by ios can be inferred from the data that’s already been collected. Do you really believe a company when they say their devices are made to ensure your privacy? Google literally says the same thing on their privacy policies ;) it’s all legal mumbo jumbo that doesn’t mean what it’s supposed to.
“Even if you are paying, it doesn’t mean you are not a product”
- Cory Doctrow
I assume because a lot less people use Apple products. So many (myself included) do not care one bit what Apple does.
Google doesn’t have the leverage to get it into your OS against your wishes. They can’t even make me have their apps (search, assistant) on their Android.
WELL DON’T JINX IT
Silver lining is that this may be the end of captchas
Only the end of captchas for people who use Google’s identification standards. With device IDs and accounts they already usher many users past Captcha and I think the more who do that, the worse captchas can get for us who don’t
Nope, still need that training data to sell to self-driving car tech.
If enabled, this could secretly start purchasing random things with your credit card, pretty much just stealing your money. We can’t trust a voice assistant with this, why trust AI?
Companies are stealing your computer’s resources (hard disk space, CPU time) to build their own Skynet and charging you for the privilege.
Corpornet
Can’t wait till AI can just learn and utilize my consciousness on my behalf. That way I don’t need to exist.
Your values will be satisfied with friendship and ponies, and it will be completely consensual.
Source, tvtropes
I bought it so I could use it though. The ai can buy it’s own computer to use!
so a legal botnet then
Chrome has been for years, so this is only a worse problem for end users.
Didn’t windows also start tracking how you use windows?
Prefect. It can click buttons and complete tasks.
No sir, I did not accept your terms and conditions, my browser did.
Headline: Google reinvents testing automation tool, now with AI
i guess it’s just puppeteer + ai prompting
unless AI gets significantly better in the next year or so I doubt it’s gonna be any better than someone spending an hour writing a puppeteer scraping script
Me: “Hey, Google. Use my computer to play Deadlock for me.”
Google should create AI agents to use their services and pay for their bullshit since they like AI agents so much.