In the U.S., according to Census Bureau data, an estimated 163,401 households were using dial-up alone to get online in 2023, representing just over 0.13% of all homes with internet subscriptions nationwide.
Are these households in rural areas without many alternatives?
Starlink is available in the vast majority of the US. What is the cost difference though?
edit: i dont like elon musk or starlink
uberdroog@lemmy.world
on 01 Oct 22:42
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Zephorah@discuss.online
on 01 Oct 22:46
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Mashable did an article on it, saying it wasn’t easy to find but $9.99/mo appeared to be the cost, still, after all this time. But it would only run on windows PCs.
brbposting@sh.itjust.works
on 02 Oct 01:57
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No way. Kind of awesome of them maybe unless ulterior motives
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 01 Oct 22:56
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Its not perfect to replace for all those rural households, but a 5G based internet ‘gateway’ is an affordable and viable option for people at least somewhere near a 5G tower.
Unlike that national fiber build out that never really happened to anywhere near the extent that was promised, its not that expensive to set up a 5G cell tower, and for users its eaaay cheaper than any satellite internet, including Starlink.
Weirdly, I’m seeing fiber in the most unlikely places. They’re running it in my hood, which is on the bleeding edge of a small redneck town, nowhere downstream from here to feed for more money.
What really blew my mind, they’re running fiber in the hood where my camp lies, 900 souls altogether, and that includes a fair-sized surrounding area. Can’t be 50 homes anywhere near. And again, nothing downstream of that hood, it’s just for us. And both places already had cable internet.
No idea how those two ISPs will ever earn their money back from so few customers, with maintenance stacked on top. Maybe running fiber is stupid cheap now? Haven’t worked for an ISP for 20 years, who knows.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 02 Oct 00:23
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Wait, what?
I am genuienly surprised to hear this… I mean… cool… I guess?
That… there’s more fiber lines than I thought there… was?
But also yeah that doesn’t make any business sense to me either.
Unless they’re planning on building a data center there in the near future.
Then, that might make a lot of sense.
Oh well, I’m still pissed that we gave ISPs like half a trillion dollars or whatever to build out fiber around a decade ago, and because that law was written by lobbyists, well it was apparently legal for said ISPs to just throw most of that money at stock buybacks and C suite stock packages, and then there were never any consequences for that.
Either way, I’ll take not blazing fast speeds and no datacap over… literally any plan with a data cap, anyday.
Less than a billion I think, but several hundred million? Anyway, you’re right, they ate it all paying off investors in the form of stock buybacks. Rural folk got nada.
Yeah, very weird expansion. We don’t even have much in the way of utilities at camp. We can get water, but certainly no sewer. Hell, you can’t even build “permanent structures” on my land. And I assume the surrounding land is even worse for flooding and being protected wetlands.
Sounds like I can get a power pole for free! Still working on that.
The roads are private, anyone can travel them, no problem, but they’re on us to maintain. Couple of dudes use tractors to level them and someone dropped loads of gravel and red clay to fix the slippery bits. (Shit like this is why country people think they don’t need no goddamned gubermint. You’d have to live it to understand.)
This is a Cox Cable endeavour. Used to contract for them, finest ISP I ever heard of. Apparently the Cox family took it public, then bought it back, said fuck you to the stock market and ran it themselves again. Hard to describe to those not in the business, but their cable plant is head and shoulders above anything I’ve ever touched. I assume they’re rich as hell and I wish them well, well deserved for once.
Had not thought of that! Been 20-years since I’ve been at an ISP, times change.
JackbyDev@programming.dev
on 02 Oct 03:16
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Okay but about the fiber shit, they covered 99.7% of my city and didn’t cover my street and I’m within walking distance of city hall. I really wish there was a way I could compel them to give me fiber. One of the few things I dislike about my location.
You can get the roam plan for $50 a month. If you were doing fine with dial-up, then the 50GB data cap shouldn’t be an issue. You could even use the standby mode for $5 a month for 11 months out of the year and will still be an order of magnitude faster than the dial-up connection.
AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today
on 02 Oct 06:00
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I would rather use dialup.
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world
on 02 Oct 01:55
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There are other legacy satellite providers like hughesnet that are somehow still hanging on. They don’t really hold a candle to starlink performance-wise, and they shit the bed in bad weather, but at least they’re not Elon. There’s going to be a lot of latency, but it’ll feel blazing fast if you’re coming from dialup.
There are other dialup providers still remaining as well, besides AOL. I know msn is still kicking at least. It’s kind of funny to think about receiving dialup service when almost all POTS lines have gone away, and much of the modern web will be borderline unusable without lots of tweaking, but at least grandma who lives out in the sticks can check her email, use chat clients, download articles and books, etc.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world
on 02 Oct 02:03
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New retirement gig: Fill the gap in the market for super-rural dialup.
It’d be like the new version of a rural post office. I could actually be a lineman for the county!
There’s no market. Fixed wireless is the current thing.
ohshittheyknow@lemmynsfw.com
on 02 Oct 02:26
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Im not giving a penny to that Nazi owned company
whereyaaat@lemmings.world
on 02 Oct 02:39
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Starlink actually sucks fat dick unless it’s literally your only option.
Even in rural America, you still have access to Visible’s unlimited data for $25/month. They use Verizon’s network, which covers just about everywhere people live in the US.
I didn’t realize Visible has unlimited hotspotting. ATT/TMO block/paywall that, though it’s possible to bypass using custom ROMs or non carrier firmware in some cases
BagOfHeavyStones@piefed.social
on 01 Oct 22:49
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Now to hook two modems to two computers and get them to ‘talk’ over WhatsApp…
And here i’ve been whining daily about my 50mbps dsl
TwinTitans@lemmy.world
on 01 Oct 23:19
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I’d rather go back to using the internet that dial up was used for than this high speed cesspool we have now.
kibiz0r@midwest.social
on 02 Oct 00:56
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Idk.
It was hard to find things even with a search engine, and it was full of scams and spyware, and obnoxious designs that got in the way of the real content, and the most popular chat rooms were run by power-tripping nerds with too much free time and an endless interest in CSAM and Nazi ideology.
Not like today, where… uh… well…
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca
on 02 Oct 01:35
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I never had too much trouble finding my way around, and it was the real wild West. You could find all kinds of cool shit. Could just visit Jon Does website with a list of game roms and download them with no bs.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world
on 02 Oct 02:01
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I’ll never forget the feeling of finding a really good webring and surfing all night.
Nah, I don’t miss forums and chat rooms enough to go back to those days again. I need my comments to be sorted by uovote count to preserve my sanity. I can’t go back. People are assholes.
Anyone still using dial up as a back-channel solution? Never implemented that myself, but seemed a cheap and easy way to get into your remote network in case of fuck up or outage. Banks used to do it. Anyone know?
randomcruft@lemmy.sdf.org
on 02 Oct 01:28
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Not support or a plug for them but, if you are in the USA and are curious… NetZero Dial-up service
I’m sure it’s doable. But a cellular pay-as-you-go data plan and router is pretty common.
I don’t think telcos will even give you copper phone service any more, unless you happen to be in a covered area, or you want to pay an exorbitant amount. Most service is going to be VoIP or cellular with a desk phone.
whereyaaat@lemmings.world
on 02 Oct 02:37
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Really? I use my phone for internet full-time now.
It looks like we’ve come full circle.
letsgo2themall@lemmy.world
on 02 Oct 13:17
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I’ll never forgive them for what they did to usenet! Also, I assumed this happened like 20 years ago. Color me surprised.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 02 Oct 14:05
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the end of an era
Lol that era ended decades ago
BigBrownBeaver@lemmy.world
on 02 Oct 14:14
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It’s 2025 and dial up still exists
Mind = dial up sounds
File this under “things that I assumed happened decades ago.”
SDF.org has dial-up. And a Lemmy instance. I think it’s lemmy.sdf.org
Are these households in rural areas without many alternatives?
Starlink is available in the vast majority of the US. What is the cost difference though?
edit: i dont like elon musk or starlink
F starlink
True
Mashable did an article on it, saying it wasn’t easy to find but $9.99/mo appeared to be the cost, still, after all this time. But it would only run on windows PCs.
No way. Kind of awesome of them maybe unless ulterior motives
Its not perfect to replace for all those rural households, but a 5G based internet ‘gateway’ is an affordable and viable option for people at least somewhere near a 5G tower.
Unlike that national fiber build out that never really happened to anywhere near the extent that was promised, its not that expensive to set up a 5G cell tower, and for users its eaaay cheaper than any satellite internet, including Starlink.
Weirdly, I’m seeing fiber in the most unlikely places. They’re running it in my hood, which is on the bleeding edge of a small redneck town, nowhere downstream from here to feed for more money.
What really blew my mind, they’re running fiber in the hood where my camp lies, 900 souls altogether, and that includes a fair-sized surrounding area. Can’t be 50 homes anywhere near. And again, nothing downstream of that hood, it’s just for us. And both places already had cable internet.
No idea how those two ISPs will ever earn their money back from so few customers, with maintenance stacked on top. Maybe running fiber is stupid cheap now? Haven’t worked for an ISP for 20 years, who knows.
Wait, what?
I am genuienly surprised to hear this… I mean… cool… I guess?
That… there’s more fiber lines than I thought there… was?
But also yeah that doesn’t make any business sense to me either.
Unless they’re planning on building a data center there in the near future.
Then, that might make a lot of sense.
Oh well, I’m still pissed that we gave ISPs like half a trillion dollars or whatever to build out fiber around a decade ago, and because that law was written by lobbyists, well it was apparently legal for said ISPs to just throw most of that money at stock buybacks and C suite stock packages, and then there were never any consequences for that.
Either way, I’ll take not blazing fast speeds and no datacap over… literally any plan with a data cap, anyday.
Less than a billion I think, but several hundred million? Anyway, you’re right, they ate it all paying off investors in the form of stock buybacks. Rural folk got nada.
Yeah, very weird expansion. We don’t even have much in the way of utilities at camp. We can get water, but certainly no sewer. Hell, you can’t even build “permanent structures” on my land. And I assume the surrounding land is even worse for flooding and being protected wetlands.
Sounds like I can get a power pole for free! Still working on that.
The roads are private, anyone can travel them, no problem, but they’re on us to maintain. Couple of dudes use tractors to level them and someone dropped loads of gravel and red clay to fix the slippery bits. (Shit like this is why country people think they don’t need no goddamned gubermint. You’d have to live it to understand.)
This is a Cox Cable endeavour. Used to contract for them, finest ISP I ever heard of. Apparently the Cox family took it public, then bought it back, said fuck you to the stock market and ran it themselves again. Hard to describe to those not in the business, but their cable plant is head and shoulders above anything I’ve ever touched. I assume they’re rich as hell and I wish them well, well deserved for once.
Plastic fiber is probably a lot cheaper than copper wire, for one thing. Probably easier to multiplex too.
Had not thought of that! Been 20-years since I’ve been at an ISP, times change.
Okay but about the fiber shit, they covered 99.7% of my city and didn’t cover my street and I’m within walking distance of city hall. I really wish there was a way I could compel them to give me fiber. One of the few things I dislike about my location.
Probably about 1 year’s worth of dial-up per month of Starlink, if not more…
Starlink is $120 a month
You can get the roam plan for $50 a month. If you were doing fine with dial-up, then the 50GB data cap shouldn’t be an issue. You could even use the standby mode for $5 a month for 11 months out of the year and will still be an order of magnitude faster than the dial-up connection.
I would rather use dialup.
There are other legacy satellite providers like hughesnet that are somehow still hanging on. They don’t really hold a candle to starlink performance-wise, and they shit the bed in bad weather, but at least they’re not Elon. There’s going to be a lot of latency, but it’ll feel blazing fast if you’re coming from dialup.
There are other dialup providers still remaining as well, besides AOL. I know msn is still kicking at least. It’s kind of funny to think about receiving dialup service when almost all POTS lines have gone away, and much of the modern web will be borderline unusable without lots of tweaking, but at least grandma who lives out in the sticks can check her email, use chat clients, download articles and books, etc.
New retirement gig: Fill the gap in the market for super-rural dialup.
It’d be like the new version of a rural post office. I could actually be a lineman for the county!
There’s no market. Fixed wireless is the current thing.
Im not giving a penny to that Nazi owned company
Starlink actually sucks fat dick unless it’s literally your only option.
Even in rural America, you still have access to Visible’s unlimited data for $25/month. They use Verizon’s network, which covers just about everywhere people live in the US.
I didn’t realize Visible has unlimited hotspotting. ATT/TMO block/paywall that, though it’s possible to bypass using custom ROMs or non carrier firmware in some cases
Now to hook two modems to two computers and get them to ‘talk’ over WhatsApp…
Would that be a VPN tunnel of sorts?
That’s just a direct connection. It used to be common for 2 player games to connect that way.
So much Warcraft 2 with my cousin over direct connect. Those were good times
And here i’ve been whining daily about my 50mbps dsl
I’d rather go back to using the internet that dial up was used for than this high speed cesspool we have now.
Idk.
It was hard to find things even with a search engine, and it was full of scams and spyware, and obnoxious designs that got in the way of the real content, and the most popular chat rooms were run by power-tripping nerds with too much free time and an endless interest in CSAM and Nazi ideology.
Not like today, where… uh… well…
I never had too much trouble finding my way around, and it was the real wild West. You could find all kinds of cool shit. Could just visit Jon Does website with a list of game roms and download them with no bs.
I’ll never forget the feeling of finding a really good webring and surfing all night.
Web rings were awesome
Watch out for the Goatse though
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♥️
Nah, I don’t miss forums and chat rooms enough to go back to those days again. I need my comments to be sorted by uovote count to preserve my sanity. I can’t go back. People are assholes.
These ways to communicate on the Internet feel like stagnation at this point.
The old internet is still out there, you just have to find it.
Anyone still using dial up as a back-channel solution? Never implemented that myself, but seemed a cheap and easy way to get into your remote network in case of fuck up or outage. Banks used to do it. Anyone know?
Not support or a plug for them but, if you are in the USA and are curious… NetZero Dial-up service
It’s still a thing for some people…
I’m sure it’s doable. But a cellular pay-as-you-go data plan and router is pretty common.
I don’t think telcos will even give you copper phone service any more, unless you happen to be in a covered area, or you want to pay an exorbitant amount. Most service is going to be VoIP or cellular with a desk phone.
Really? I use my phone for internet full-time now.
It looks like we’ve come full circle.
I’ll never forgive them for what they did to usenet! Also, I assumed this happened like 20 years ago. Color me surprised.
Lol that era ended decades ago
So… AOL now EOL