Tldr? Why do we need 6g anyway? What is the benefit supposed to be? Not higher transfer speeds I hope. We need modes with better support for low power and weak signals. For low power, 2G is superior to everything that came after it.
Tldr: different countries wanna do 6g differently. Actually a big problem is the big beautiful bill that just passed in the US. Wifi6e/7 6ghz spectrum that was reserved for wifi got approved to get auctioned off. But it’s already a global standard. If us cell cariers buy it up and use it to make faster 6g cell speeds (short distance very high speed). That’s going to fragment standards globally.
Cell carriers don’t currently use anywhere near all their spectrum they already own.
hamsterkill@lemmy.sdf.org
on 21 Jul 13:12
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Wifi6e/7 6ghz spectrum that was reserved for wifi got approved to get auctioned off
I don’t think that’s exactly right. Spectrum that’s already reserved for unlicensed use (wifi) was explicitly excluded from the auction directive.
There may be some spectrum in that band that’s not already reserved for wifi yet that will end up auctioned, though.
I was so disappointed going from LTE to 5G and realizing the speed difference is minimal. I was so hopeful it would be mega faster! Going from gigabit at home to mobile speeds is sad.
thejml@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Jul 01:13
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Same. I kinda wonder if it’s saturation… when 5G was first announced and I happened to be in one of the first cities with it on a business trip, and I happen to have just bought a new phone that had it and it was AMAZING. Sites were snappy, it was like I was on my personal wifi.
Ever since it became more widespread, I can rarely tell a difference between LTE and 5G and honestly, If anything, my phone is slower when I see the 5G icon.
5g is fine (not great, but fine) on my phone until I get millimeter wave. The mw in the HEB parking lot down the street is amazing. If I get into the city proper it’s a crapshoot if I am able to get on the Internet.
For many places, your signal isn’t the bottleneck. It’s the back haul from the tower to the main internet. 5G won’t help if there’s a straw connected to the fire hose of 5G.
Thing is, there are two different types of 5G. 5G NSA is using 5G, but on the same 4G network resulting in little to no speed change. And then there’s 5G SA, the one you actually want but probably isn’t deployed anywhere outside major cities if that.
I’m not sure where midband 5G falls, but it’s significantly faster than LTE with much more range than the millimeter wave 5G.
PleaseLetMeOut@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 21 Jul 02:14
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It’s encryption has been broken for some time now, which leaves it vulnerable to some pretty serious security issues. On top of the obvious issue of people with the right know-how just listening to your calls and reading your texts, which you probably don’t want.
(It’s also how most cops/feds tap phones these days.)
MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 21 Jul 13:12
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Likely more efficient use of spectrum, which means more clients on a tower without everything grinding to a halt.
anotherandrew@mbin.mixdown.ca
on 21 Jul 15:34
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this is just personal experience but IIRC I seemed to have much better power consumption with 4G/LTE over anything before. 5G/5G+ is good too but that is likely with recent buildout in my area. Weak signal support I have a hard time gauging as the phone bounces back to LTE where I seem to still have good 5G service.
lettruthout@lemmy.world
on 20 Jul 23:30
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Now all international travelers will have to go back to the early 00s method of buying burner phones and calling cards to be able to make a call.
etchinghillside@reddthat.com
on 21 Jul 00:30
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Meh - just give your money to Musk for the satellite phone.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Jul 12:12
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Dudes a pile of shit but a recent flight had Starlink and that was the first time I’ve ever actually had usable internet on a plane. I was streaming Plex on my phone from my home server while flying over the Pacific.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Jul 12:08
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Jeorjia
moseschrute@lemmy.zip
on 21 Jul 14:33
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I have 5g but I’ll give you one of mine. Now I still have 4g.
UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world
on 21 Jul 19:07
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The thing with new Gs is that they recognized and try to improve that situation. 5G for example includes low-frequency bands that allow to cover much more area with one tower, making it more feasible for less populated areas.
Please god let europe and the asian countries pick the chinese standard and leave the US sitting on its own it would be so fucking funny.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Jul 12:17
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most consumers data plan isn’t even allowed to reach 4G speeds, at least where I live in europe. the only “advantage” of 5G is more capacity for smartshit, and internet connected cars that upload live video footage from their like 4 cameras everywhere they go like a mobile surveillance station.
hamsterkill@lemmy.sdf.org
on 21 Jul 12:57
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The main advantage of 5g was never really speed, but rather spectral efficiency. It allows the same speed to use less spectrum.
National dominance of technology is bad for people, because Sovereigns want control and slavery over people. People benefit from cheap tech advance access, without any trickle down from the nationality of who profits.
5g equipment is all made in China, regardless of parent company ownership. There is no, afaik, extra surveillance powers compared to 4g equipment. Much of the speed/latency boosts of 5g futurism applications remains unpenetrated. I don’t know of a 6g benefit that 5g didn’t promise.
Instead of pretending that national security is for benefit of national subjects, communications protocols should focus on end to end encryption with supporting hardware, and include middleware encryption/decryption to add controlled layers to protect privacy additionally from rival intelligence interests.
In the end, consumers need to trust google or apple to some level, but open source, and different open source applications on top of the OS.
This outcome is impossible when CIA and other intelligence agencies are part of the standards process influence, but technical only protocols that ignore the oppression by default political context, support the oppression by default standards process.
Honestly - how much bandwidth and speeds do we really need? I’m optimistic over things like Briar.
I think maybe meshnets over LoRa and such are going to become more common for communication. Right now it’s agriculture, hiking and doomsday devices, but maybe they will become more popular.
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Tldr? Why do we need 6g anyway? What is the benefit supposed to be? Not higher transfer speeds I hope. We need modes with better support for low power and weak signals. For low power, 2G is superior to everything that came after it.
Tldr: different countries wanna do 6g differently. Actually a big problem is the big beautiful bill that just passed in the US. Wifi6e/7 6ghz spectrum that was reserved for wifi got approved to get auctioned off. But it’s already a global standard. If us cell cariers buy it up and use it to make faster 6g cell speeds (short distance very high speed). That’s going to fragment standards globally.
Cell carriers don’t currently use anywhere near all their spectrum they already own.
I don’t think that’s exactly right. Spectrum that’s already reserved for unlicensed use (wifi) was explicitly excluded from the auction directive.
There may be some spectrum in that band that’s not already reserved for wifi yet that will end up auctioned, though.
arstechnica.com/…/trump-and-congress-finalize-law…
The act itself still appears to include the language excluding wifi spectrum.
EDIT: Unless that only protected sub-6 wifi frequencies…
How about we just don’t turn iff 4g or 5g.
I was so disappointed going from LTE to 5G and realizing the speed difference is minimal. I was so hopeful it would be mega faster! Going from gigabit at home to mobile speeds is sad.
Same. I kinda wonder if it’s saturation… when 5G was first announced and I happened to be in one of the first cities with it on a business trip, and I happen to have just bought a new phone that had it and it was AMAZING. Sites were snappy, it was like I was on my personal wifi.
Ever since it became more widespread, I can rarely tell a difference between LTE and 5G and honestly, If anything, my phone is slower when I see the 5G icon.
5g is fine (not great, but fine) on my phone until I get millimeter wave. The mw in the HEB parking lot down the street is amazing. If I get into the city proper it’s a crapshoot if I am able to get on the Internet.
For many places, your signal isn’t the bottleneck. It’s the back haul from the tower to the main internet. 5G won’t help if there’s a straw connected to the fire hose of 5G.
Thing is, there are two different types of 5G. 5G NSA is using 5G, but on the same 4G network resulting in little to no speed change. And then there’s 5G SA, the one you actually want but probably isn’t deployed anywhere outside major cities if that.
I’m not sure where midband 5G falls, but it’s significantly faster than LTE with much more range than the millimeter wave 5G.
It’s encryption has been broken for some time now, which leaves it vulnerable to some pretty serious security issues. On top of the obvious issue of people with the right know-how just listening to your calls and reading your texts, which you probably don’t want.
(It’s also how most cops/feds tap phones these days.)
Likely more efficient use of spectrum, which means more clients on a tower without everything grinding to a halt.
this is just personal experience but IIRC I seemed to have much better power consumption with 4G/LTE over anything before. 5G/5G+ is good too but that is likely with recent buildout in my area. Weak signal support I have a hard time gauging as the phone bounces back to LTE where I seem to still have good 5G service.
This article is from 2023.
Welp, it was fun while it lasted…
Now all international travelers will have to go back to the early 00s method of buying burner phones and calling cards to be able to make a call.
Meh - just give your money to Musk for the satellite phone.
Dudes a pile of shit but a recent flight had Starlink and that was the first time I’ve ever actually had usable internet on a plane. I was streaming Plex on my phone from my home server while flying over the Pacific.
Something somethING ICE in bed with Telcos to deport foreigners buying burner phones?
I still don’t have 5G in my area.
No one has full 5G yet, not our problem
No! It'll start a new pandemic!!!! /s
I don’t have any G’s where I live. Could we maybe just try to get everyone/everywhere at least basic coverage first?
Where do you live?
Jeorjia
I have 5g but I’ll give you one of mine. Now I still have 4g.
The thing with new Gs is that they recognized and try to improve that situation. 5G for example includes low-frequency bands that allow to cover much more area with one tower, making it more feasible for less populated areas.
Please god let europe and the asian countries pick the chinese standard and leave the US sitting on its own it would be so fucking funny.
most consumers data plan isn’t even allowed to reach 4G speeds, at least where I live in europe. the only “advantage” of 5G is more capacity for smartshit, and internet connected cars that upload live video footage from their like 4 cameras everywhere they go like a mobile surveillance station.
The main advantage of 5g was never really speed, but rather spectral efficiency. It allows the same speed to use less spectrum.
National dominance of technology is bad for people, because Sovereigns want control and slavery over people. People benefit from cheap tech advance access, without any trickle down from the nationality of who profits.
5g equipment is all made in China, regardless of parent company ownership. There is no, afaik, extra surveillance powers compared to 4g equipment. Much of the speed/latency boosts of 5g futurism applications remains unpenetrated. I don’t know of a 6g benefit that 5g didn’t promise.
Instead of pretending that national security is for benefit of national subjects, communications protocols should focus on end to end encryption with supporting hardware, and include middleware encryption/decryption to add controlled layers to protect privacy additionally from rival intelligence interests.
In the end, consumers need to trust google or apple to some level, but open source, and different open source applications on top of the OS.
This outcome is impossible when CIA and other intelligence agencies are part of the standards process influence, but technical only protocols that ignore the oppression by default political context, support the oppression by default standards process.
Honestly - how much bandwidth and speeds do we really need? I’m optimistic over things like Briar.
I think maybe meshnets over LoRa and such are going to become more common for communication. Right now it’s agriculture, hiking and doomsday devices, but maybe they will become more popular.