To be clear. This is a government agency endorsing the software as safe and effective. So bureaucrats and employees can’t be reprimanded they use them.
This isn’t the French Prime Minister announcing the country will cancel Microsoft Office subscriptions and build a fund to support FOSS projects. Gimp has nowhere near the ressources they actually need.
Krukenberg@lemmy.world
on 20 Apr 03:10
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Once you start Vim, you don’t even need to activate the lock screen when you leave your desk. Ain’t no-one going to be using that machine for anything nefarious any more.
It’s still nice! A bit of recognition, legitimacy, and although it’s not funding, it might be a small step towards it. I see many great works, that stand tall on their own. More eyes will only make them shine even brighter.
EU could potentially make a group category like for Norway or Switzerland, and then take in other countries all around the world to cooperate more and stand together with the EU on some issues.
Canada would be a great candidate. Maybe even Australia, but I dont really know anything about their politics.
MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world
on 19 Apr 21:44
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Just make a cool kids UN and you’re all set. With blackjack and hookers.
It does kind of feel like the UN could use a refresh. In particular, the veto powers given to certain countries feels bad. There may be good reasons for that system, but the system is not good - and the details of the reasons have definitely shifted over time such that the choice of countries with veto power is now highly questionable.
anonApril2025@lemmy.zip
on 19 Apr 20:33
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Yeah I’m going to find a European and suck his dick right now!
EU is democratic, which also means everyone can propose a law. Never have EU put a backdoor into anything, but its true that there have been law proposals for it.
EU Commission and Council are indeed not elected directly, but the Parliement who propose and vote laws is. The way it works is similar to a parlementary republic (where coalitions of parties that includes >50% of MEPs make a governement together).
It’s as democratic as democratic gets on that scale.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world
on 20 Apr 14:14
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It’s as democratic as democratic gets on that scale.
The EU isn’t democratic. As opposed to national parliamentary democracies, the European parliament has barely any power compared to the commission which has no democratic legitimacy.
It’s as democratic as democratic gets on that scale.
That is also completely false. There are numerous proposals that would make the EU more democratic, but that’s obviously against the interest of the incumbent neoliberal elite.
If they really want to boil our piss, put “English (American)” as the only option. Or or, a little American flag next to “English”. Oo, I’m engaging myself right now.
It changes the UI text of the website, such as filters, titles, and sorting options, but not the descriptions.
I can’t decide which is worse, a functioning language switch that never included English for the descriptions (which is the only text I actually need translated) or a broken language switch. The way it switches languages is also quite odd, as if it’s asking, ‘Are you sure?’"
thatradomguy@lemmy.world
on 19 Apr 22:21
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Once upon a time, there was Glimpse project—which for me was a nice enhancement to vanilla GIMP. They sadly kicked the bucket but damn not a day goes by where I don’t miss them…
Hold on. That page does not list VLC or KeePass. Is there more info about this other than the list? Or is the info in the title of this post incorrect?
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I see now. The page does not list VLC or KeePass, but those two both do come up if you put them into the search box. The software listed on the page is a very long list, but it is apparently on the ‘most popular’ stuff - not the entire list. (Although it is strange to see a heap of niche stuff, and stuff I’ve never heard of on the ‘most popular’ list while VLC doesn’t make the cut.)
I’m not sure this list is a very strong endorsement by the French Government. It seems to just be listing free software options, and then asking other people to sign up to say which ones they use.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 20 Apr 07:28
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Probably due to it being a media player vs a list of productivity apps?
I feel like most would forget about VLC until they notice the traffic cone is missing.
CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Apr 16:05
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Using the find function on my phone browser doesn’t find it but it does come up when manually scrolling and as long as you don’t move too far the find works. I’m thinking there is some sort of rendering magic going on, would explain why scrolling is so fast.
SabinStargem@lemmy.today
on 20 Apr 04:43
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Hopefully the French will also endorse Fedora, Red Hat, and Valve’s SteamOS. Microsoft is a huge security issue, since it isn’t clear whether MS would bend to DOGE’s whims. The NLRB and other aspects of the US government had DOGE set up accounts, which were accessed within 15 minutes by Russia.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 20 Apr 07:26
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Why RedHat? I thought it’s a bad version of Linux and generally disliked (similar to Broadcom and ESXi).
Why not prefer something based on Debian. As it’s being regarded as very stable I don’t feel like it would interfere with the employees daily job as they don’t need a cutting edge distro like arch.
SabinStargem@lemmy.today
on 20 Apr 08:40
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Linux isn’t very good for the casual person at this time, due to conflicting, dated, or missing documentation. If people are to be encouraged to adopt Linux, it should be toward distributions that have official technical support.
johnnyb@discuss.tchncs.de
on 20 Apr 10:55
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are you suggesting there is documentation for Windows?
It’s sufficiently documented.
It’s just spread across a fuck load of different pages (learn vs. msdn vs. support vs forum).
And the articles are so unnecessary distributed across those pages. And so much articles are missing links to related topics that it’s comically bad.
At least the powershell has a partly sound documentation. But very hit or miss.
CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Apr 15:58
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Windows documentation is an absolute mess. The only reason you can claim it is “documented” is the sheer volume of users, but that’s not necessarily a good thing when suggested fixes include registry edits, disabling security features, and running everything as an admin.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Apr 15:37
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Isn’t that the point of donating to it? If the French government wants a specific thing done (say, documentation), they can make the donation go towards that.
Ideally, that would be part of their initiative. There are multiple angles that can be taken to encourage Linux adoption. Standards for formal documentation and technical support options are two prongs on the same trident.
InverseParallax@lemmy.world
on 20 Apr 11:58
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So, I love Debian, and it’s an excellent distro.
But personally something like suse makes more sense, it’s more user friendly and is so German it’s painful.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Apr 15:36
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Can confirm, I use openSUSE and it’s glorious. AFAIK, they don’t accept donations, but they probably would from someone like the French government.
InverseParallax@lemmy.world
on 20 Apr 22:44
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It has some wobbly bits, but it really exposes the most powerful parts of linux.
And it’s still somehow more user friendly than basically anything else in linux. Or windows for that matter.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Apr 01:17
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Yeah, they did a really good job. I use Tumbleweed on my desktop, Aeon in my laptop, and Leap on my NAS, and I’m testing microos on my VPS. They’re all solid.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Apr 15:35
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Or why not SUSE? I forget who owns it now, but at least for a while it was owned by an EU firm.
on another note… Microsoft export their software and OS to almost every one of our users’ pc while US doesn’t buy any of our OS. Using Trump logic of fairness, we need to tariff US, to balance the trade deficit.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Apr 15:38
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Why Steam OS? It does what it sets out to do, and probably makes Valve a ton of money.
Donations should go to projects that need it. Valve seems to be doing fine.
Making an OS easy to use in everyday life is the key to mass adoption. If the EU wants to get away from Microsoft’s garden, that means advertising valid options to people who aren’t attuned to Linux.
Money isn’t the issue for SteamOS, it is awareness and making it available as an pre-installed option on consumer PCs. The EU could create standardized pamphlets about Fedora, Red Hat, and SteamOS, mandating stores to present that digestable information to consumers so that they know what flavor is best for their usecase.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Apr 18:58
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I don’t see any reason to have SteamOS preinstalled on anything other than a Steam Deck or Steam Machine. Valve is only motivated to ship what it needs to run games, it has no motivation to make a general purpose OS.
That’s why projects like Fedora, Debian, and openSUSE have value, they are motivated to make a general purpose OS. The difference between those and Steam OS for running Steam games is minimal, and the overall experience on those distributions will be better.
There IS reason for preinstallation, there are many people out there who lack the passion to research Linux, and would gravitate towards the familiar - Steam, in the case of gamers. The point is to make a switch away from Windows as unproblematic for as many people as possible. Also, Valve is developing a desktop version of Arch SteamOS.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Apr 21:48
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That project already exists for those than want it: Bazzite and Nobara. Both of those are about as simple as you can get to get up and gaming.
The socle interministériel de logiciels libres (SILL) is the reference catalog of open-source software recommended by the French government for use throughout the administration.
This catalog helps administrations find their way around the open-source software they are encouraged to use, in line with Article 16 of the French Law for a Digital Republic
asymmetric@slrpnk.net
on 20 Apr 06:44
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Do they also fund these projects?
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 20 Apr 07:23
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Probably a lot like the actual users of (F)OSS: Not really :p
They are not only no funding but largely not using it in practice and letting most public institution spent billions in Microsoft Office 365 contract
Aatube@kbin.melroy.org
on 19 Apr 19:37
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Redis is also on the list, but not Valkey. Gitea is on the list, but not Forgejo. Still nice to see governments endorsing the open-source-ish software they know and FOSS principles, though!
To be fair, I know redis and gitea (barely, gitlab is way more popular) and not the other two. Enterprise support and name recognition are quite important for government usage.
Valkey was created recently as Redis changed their license, having clauses which made the user choose between being “discriminatory against users of the software that use proprietary software within their stack, as the license requires the open-sourcing of every part interacting with the service, which under these circumstances might not be possible” or being non-commercial.
Forgejo was created when Gitea decided to go the JetBrains route a few years ago. It’s since absorbed Gitea’s clout.
Yeah, and you have to pay for that. Lots of open source software have enterprise support and usage limit licenses but having to pay for something isn't open source. I am personally ambivalent at non-commercial licenses but I agree that the restriction against using proprietary software with Redis in commercial usage is kinda bad.
Sorry, I didn't see the notification for some reason. The SSPL would prohibit people from running Redis from Windows, as Windows is proprietary. That forces them to use the source-available RSAL.
I don’t think that’s correct. It maybe prohibits people from building a service to offer redis to third parties on Windows, but you can run redis in your stack on whatever OS you want, as long as what you are building is not “redis as a service”. So any end-user SaaS that just uses redis as a cache is not bound to section 13.
And even if you built a redis as a service, the operating system is not explicitly mentioned in the license, so it would be for a lawyer to say whether that’s required…
Well, it's how I would interpret it, especially for Windows being a violation of section 13 (a little less for whether section 13 applies when you just use Redis: one could argue it applies to dynamic sites that really require fast responses as part of its feature set, which has to use something like Redis). It's also an issue that nobody has interpreted the license in court yet.
Agree on the court, but the wording is super specific. Doesn’t matter if you couldn’t build it without a redis-like component, because of the speed or whatever, it is targeting “offering the program as a service”. There’s even an FAQ on the mongodb (SSPL authors) site regarding this. Unless your program is just a proxy to access redis, you’re fine.
offering a service the value of which entirely or primarily derives from the value of the Program or modified version
Doing it fast is essential and a core part of many services' value, I'm sure.
You have a point regarding the FAQ but I do not see that written in the license. This is a problem that would only be granted in case MongoDB/ElasticSearch/Redis sues someone for internal use and I think that's a borderline risk too much to take.
That wording is pointing to reselling the program or the same functionality. Of course if your service is “fast key based data retrieval” it would violate the definition, but something like “low latency gaming notifications” would not, because the value is gaming notifications, something redis doesn’t offer. Same as if your service uses encryption in transit, you’re not just reselling openssl.
I know prohibiting reselling is what they probably intended. But that doesn't mean they can't push a different and very valid interpretation when they want to.
you're not just reselling openssl.
The wording—"primarily derives from"—is much broader than "just". I believe that Resque's dependence on Redis is enough to satisfy "primarily".
Well, I don’t believe so, but as you said it’s ultimately for a court to test it.
CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Apr 16:08
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The simple answer: nobody is actually reading any of these licenses. I run into the problem constantly and even people who should know better do not (most of our IT staff for example…)
gap_betweenus@lemmy.world
on 20 Apr 11:03
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An open source package that would replace adobe would be a game changer.
I can’t help with personal experience unfortunately. I think some (a lot?) of people are satisfied, but one does need some tech skills to get it up and running.
Instructions are out there in various github repos, some of them also link to volunteer support channels.
Its super scary that there are many people not using it.
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Apr 22:55
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Yeah, whenever I hear people complaining about ads, I’m like “You guys are seeing ads?!”
I could understand if you needed to be some 1337 hacker to block ads, but uBlock is one of the easiest extensions I’ve ever used. You just set it and forget it. There’s zero configuration you need to do.
Of course, if there’s some ad that slips past, then you need to do some hacking, but that almost never happens nowadays.
pablodaniel@lemmings.world
on 21 Apr 01:41
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It’s a cultural problem.
Most people won’t install adblockers unless they’re around others to tell/show them how.
I know the answer. People is lazy unless they have interest in it. Everybody wants happiness biologically but nobody makes a move to have it. People hate Windows, tries to remove Edge, make performance settings, use 3rd party awful things to improve Windows, but nobody gives any other OS a try. Same thing for the browsers, extensions like that etc. People think its matrix-ish and something weirdo. Who would use Matrix instead of Discord? Who would use any FF fork instead of Opera GX or Chrome? Who would use Lemmy and any ActivityPub media instead of Meta products or Reddit etc. We are full of prejudice, and dont want to move out from the comfort zone. We dont want to make a important choice for our privacy-safety unless it become viral in TikTok.
Not judging the software at all, but the fact that OnlyOffice is owned/developed by a semi-sketchy Russian corporation would probably preclude it from getting any endorsement from a Western government.
Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Apr 15:49
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Didn’t know that :/ Hmm might switch myself then and delete my recc.
pablodaniel@lemmings.world
on 21 Apr 01:44
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I think it’s an excellent post worth reading. Open Source entails collaborating with the whole world. Any code base is simply to big to audit from the start, but all incremental code can be audited, and you can disable stuff you don’t need etc.
For me, the post makes me trust cryptpad more than I did before.
And yes. Cryptpaf = onlyoffice, but still relevant I think
Yeah I use it on Linux and prefer it over Chrome (even the variants people swear are “de-googled”) but do recognize it’s more of an enemy of my enemy kind of deal. I don’t like a lot of things FF does as it does have a corporate division to answer to. And they want money.
You could use LibreWolf on Linux, it’s a Firefox fork that removes all DRM, telemetry and other privacy-disrespecting crap from the og Firefox. All native addons/plugins are fully supported.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world
on 20 Apr 18:51
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I started using Cromite with OpenXNG as my search engine and it’s been good. A de-googled chromium essentially with built in privacy/ad blockers.
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To be clear. This is a government agency endorsing the software as safe and effective. So bureaucrats and employees can’t be reprimanded they use them.
This isn’t the French Prime Minister announcing the country will cancel Microsoft Office subscriptions and build a fund to support FOSS projects. Gimp has nowhere near the ressources they actually need.
VIM…? Safe…?!
Once you start Vim, you don’t even need to activate the lock screen when you leave your desk. Ain’t no-one going to be using that machine for anything nefarious any more.
It’s still nice! A bit of recognition, legitimacy, and although it’s not funding, it might be a small step towards it. I see many great works, that stand tall on their own. More eyes will only make them shine even brighter.
Thanks, Fr*nce.
EU and its contries are pro open source and I fucking love it.
I wonder if we could get EU to take over some states if we got enough votes to secede in some areas.
EU could potentially make a group category like for Norway or Switzerland, and then take in other countries all around the world to cooperate more and stand together with the EU on some issues.
Canada would be a great candidate. Maybe even Australia, but I dont really know anything about their politics.
Just make a cool kids UN and you’re all set. With blackjack and hookers.
No cocaine? Forget it, then
It does kind of feel like the UN could use a refresh. In particular, the veto powers given to certain countries feels bad. There may be good reasons for that system, but the system is not good - and the details of the reasons have definitely shifted over time such that the choice of countries with veto power is now highly questionable.
Yeah I’m going to find a European and suck his dick right now!
Why hello there
Bonjour!
Good day!
…and…and I am going to find a European girl and suck her nipples for as long as she wants.
Any girl
Condition 1 - it has to be a girl Condition 2 - she should be alive
Ah, yes. I’ll add to this that she shouldn’t be a sadistic torturer and probable murderer (just thinking of my first love).
I’m ready.
Fr if anyone in the EU wants to host me I’ll be your (32m,pan,switch,cd) live-in maid while I job hunt. Please inquire within.
Hallo
Haven’t they also been trying to put back doors into everything for the last decade?
EU is democratic, which also means everyone can propose a law. Never have EU put a backdoor into anything, but its true that there have been law proposals for it.
Never voted through.
EU is not democratic. EU’s ruling entities are formed by governments of member countries. Which are supposedly democratic.
And about never voted through - sometimes putting pressure is enough.
EU Commission and Council are indeed not elected directly, but the Parliement who propose and vote laws is. The way it works is similar to a parlementary republic (where coalitions of parties that includes >50% of MEPs make a governement together).
It’s as democratic as democratic gets on that scale.
That’s kinda sad.
The EU isn’t democratic. As opposed to national parliamentary democracies, the European parliament has barely any power compared to the commission which has no democratic legitimacy.
That is also completely false. There are numerous proposals that would make the EU more democratic, but that’s obviously against the interest of the incumbent neoliberal elite.
The first thing any government should do is move away from ms office.
The 2nd thing they should do is fund and contribute to a distro and begin the transition from windows.
Sweet I’m already using PostgreSQL because it’s the only thing Blynk supported!
The “english” setting does nothing.
just the way the French like it
If they really want to boil our piss, put “English (American)” as the only option. Or or, a little American flag next to “English”. Oo, I’m engaging myself right now.
It changes the UI text of the website, such as filters, titles, and sorting options, but not the descriptions.
I can’t decide which is worse, a functioning language switch that never included English for the descriptions (which is the only text I actually need translated) or a broken language switch. The way it switches languages is also quite odd, as if it’s asking, ‘Are you sure?’"
Once upon a time, there was Glimpse project—which for me was a nice enhancement to vanilla GIMP. They sadly kicked the bucket but damn not a day goes by where I don’t miss them…
Better name too
Hold on. That page does not list VLC or KeePass. Is there more info about this other than the list? Or is the info in the title of this post incorrect?
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I see now. The page does not list VLC or KeePass, but those two both do come up if you put them into the search box. The software listed on the page is a very long list, but it is apparently on the ‘most popular’ stuff - not the entire list. (Although it is strange to see a heap of niche stuff, and stuff I’ve never heard of on the ‘most popular’ list while VLC doesn’t make the cut.)
I’m not sure this list is a very strong endorsement by the French Government. It seems to just be listing free software options, and then asking other people to sign up to say which ones they use.
Probably due to it being a media player vs a list of productivity apps?
I feel like most would forget about VLC until they notice the traffic cone is missing.
Using the find function on my phone browser doesn’t find it but it does come up when manually scrolling and as long as you don’t move too far the find works. I’m thinking there is some sort of rendering magic going on, would explain why scrolling is so fast.
Hopefully the French will also endorse Fedora, Red Hat, and Valve’s SteamOS. Microsoft is a huge security issue, since it isn’t clear whether MS would bend to DOGE’s whims. The NLRB and other aspects of the US government had DOGE set up accounts, which were accessed within 15 minutes by Russia.
Why RedHat? I thought it’s a bad version of Linux and generally disliked (similar to Broadcom and ESXi).
Why not prefer something based on Debian. As it’s being regarded as very stable I don’t feel like it would interfere with the employees daily job as they don’t need a cutting edge distro like arch.
Linux isn’t very good for the casual person at this time, due to conflicting, dated, or missing documentation. If people are to be encouraged to adopt Linux, it should be toward distributions that have official technical support.
are you suggesting there is documentation for Windows?
It’s sufficiently documented.
It’s just spread across a fuck load of different pages (learn vs. msdn vs. support vs forum).
And the articles are so unnecessary distributed across those pages. And so much articles are missing links to related topics that it’s comically bad.
At least the powershell has a partly sound documentation. But very hit or miss.
Windows documentation is an absolute mess. The only reason you can claim it is “documented” is the sheer volume of users, but that’s not necessarily a good thing when suggested fixes include registry edits, disabling security features, and running everything as an admin.
Just sudo everything /j
Oh, let’s all use FreeBSD then. Please? Please?
Regular people don’t read documentation.
Isn’t that the point of donating to it? If the French government wants a specific thing done (say, documentation), they can make the donation go towards that.
Ideally, that would be part of their initiative. There are multiple angles that can be taken to encourage Linux adoption. Standards for formal documentation and technical support options are two prongs on the same trident.
So, I love Debian, and it’s an excellent distro.
But personally something like suse makes more sense, it’s more user friendly and is so German it’s painful.
Can confirm, I use openSUSE and it’s glorious. AFAIK, they don’t accept donations, but they probably would from someone like the French government.
It has some wobbly bits, but it really exposes the most powerful parts of linux.
And it’s still somehow more user friendly than basically anything else in linux. Or windows for that matter.
Yeah, they did a really good job. I use Tumbleweed on my desktop, Aeon in my laptop, and Leap on my NAS, and I’m testing microos on my VPS. They’re all solid.
Or why not SUSE? I forget who owns it now, but at least for a while it was owned by an EU firm.
on another note… Microsoft export their software and OS to almost every one of our users’ pc while US doesn’t buy any of our OS. Using Trump logic of fairness, we need to tariff US, to balance the trade deficit.
Why Steam OS? It does what it sets out to do, and probably makes Valve a ton of money.
Donations should go to projects that need it. Valve seems to be doing fine.
Making an OS easy to use in everyday life is the key to mass adoption. If the EU wants to get away from Microsoft’s garden, that means advertising valid options to people who aren’t attuned to Linux.
Money isn’t the issue for SteamOS, it is awareness and making it available as an pre-installed option on consumer PCs. The EU could create standardized pamphlets about Fedora, Red Hat, and SteamOS, mandating stores to present that digestable information to consumers so that they know what flavor is best for their usecase.
I don’t see any reason to have SteamOS preinstalled on anything other than a Steam Deck or Steam Machine. Valve is only motivated to ship what it needs to run games, it has no motivation to make a general purpose OS.
That’s why projects like Fedora, Debian, and openSUSE have value, they are motivated to make a general purpose OS. The difference between those and Steam OS for running Steam games is minimal, and the overall experience on those distributions will be better.
There IS reason for preinstallation, there are many people out there who lack the passion to research Linux, and would gravitate towards the familiar - Steam, in the case of gamers. The point is to make a switch away from Windows as unproblematic for as many people as possible. Also, Valve is developing a desktop version of Arch SteamOS.
That project already exists for those than want it: Bazzite and Nobara. Both of those are about as simple as you can get to get up and gaming.
The SILL About page translated explains the list :
code.gouv.fr/sill/readme
Why this catalog?
The socle interministériel de logiciels libres (SILL) is the reference catalog of open-source software recommended by the French government for use throughout the administration.
This catalog helps administrations find their way around the open-source software they are encouraged to use, in line with Article 16 of the French Law for a Digital Republic
Do they also fund these projects?
Probably a lot like the actual users of (F)OSS: Not really :p
They are not only no funding but largely not using it in practice and letting most public institution spent billions in Microsoft Office 365 contract
Redis is also on the list, but not Valkey. Gitea is on the list, but not Forgejo. Still nice to see governments endorsing the open-source-ish software they know and FOSS principles, though!
To be fair, I know redis and gitea (barely, gitlab is way more popular) and not the other two. Enterprise support and name recognition are quite important for government usage.
Valkey was created recently as Redis changed their license, having clauses which made the user choose between being “discriminatory against users of the software that use proprietary software within their stack, as the license requires the open-sourcing of every part interacting with the service, which under these circumstances might not be possible” or being non-commercial.
Forgejo was created when Gitea decided to go the JetBrains route a few years ago. It’s since absorbed Gitea’s clout.
Redis allows a third option, a commercial license.
Yeah, and you have to pay for that. Lots of open source software have enterprise support and usage limit licenses but having to pay for something isn't open source. I am personally ambivalent at non-commercial licenses but I agree that the restriction against using proprietary software with Redis in commercial usage is kinda bad.
Of course you have to pay for a commercial license, it’s in the name. Development, tooling, support, etc, all costs money.
I like the distinction. If you want to profit from open source, make your code open source. If not, pay up.
Sorry, I didn't see the notification for some reason. The SSPL would prohibit people from running Redis from Windows, as Windows is proprietary. That forces them to use the source-available RSAL.
I don’t think that’s correct. It maybe prohibits people from building a service to offer redis to third parties on Windows, but you can run redis in your stack on whatever OS you want, as long as what you are building is not “redis as a service”. So any end-user SaaS that just uses redis as a cache is not bound to section 13.
And even if you built a redis as a service, the operating system is not explicitly mentioned in the license, so it would be for a lawyer to say whether that’s required…
Well, it's how I would interpret it, especially for Windows being a violation of section 13 (a little less for whether section 13 applies when you just use Redis: one could argue it applies to dynamic sites that really require fast responses as part of its feature set, which has to use something like Redis). It's also an issue that nobody has interpreted the license in court yet.
Agree on the court, but the wording is super specific. Doesn’t matter if you couldn’t build it without a redis-like component, because of the speed or whatever, it is targeting “offering the program as a service”. There’s even an FAQ on the mongodb (SSPL authors) site regarding this. Unless your program is just a proxy to access redis, you’re fine.
I feel like it qualifies under
Doing it fast is essential and a core part of many services' value, I'm sure.
You have a point regarding the FAQ but I do not see that written in the license. This is a problem that would only be granted in case MongoDB/ElasticSearch/Redis sues someone for internal use and I think that's a borderline risk too much to take.
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That wording is pointing to reselling the program or the same functionality. Of course if your service is “fast key based data retrieval” it would violate the definition, but something like “low latency gaming notifications” would not, because the value is gaming notifications, something redis doesn’t offer. Same as if your service uses encryption in transit, you’re not just reselling openssl.
I know prohibiting reselling is what they probably intended. But that doesn't mean they can't push a different and very valid interpretation when they want to.
The wording—"primarily derives from"—is much broader than "just". I believe that Resque's dependence on Redis is enough to satisfy "primarily".
Well, I don’t believe so, but as you said it’s ultimately for a court to test it.
The simple answer: nobody is actually reading any of these licenses. I run into the problem constantly and even people who should know better do not (most of our IT staff for example…)
An open source package that would replace adobe would be a game changer.
I would sacrifice my first unborn kid for this.
People really would rather sacrifice their unborn child than pay $20 a month smh.
Why not? OP probably got a vasectomy, so there’s no chance that unborn son is happening anyway…
Unethical LPT: Get a vasectomy then offer your firstborn child for material gain as often as you like knowing they can never collect.
This sounds like the set up for an ancient Greek tragedy.
I would also sacrifice your first unborn kid for this.
Truly the spirit of FOSS
Which Adobe?
The building style?
Someone’s been living in a cave.
That can replace adobe, well done!
Gimp/inkscape
I wonder how Scribus is doing these days.
Never got into that one
Worth noting: Affinity, while not open-source, can be brought to run under Linux. This may be helpful for people wanting to ditch Windows.
Does it run well? Ps under Wine is a laggy and unstable mess
I can’t help with personal experience unfortunately. I think some (a lot?) of people are satisfied, but one does need some tech skills to get it up and running.
Instructions are out there in various github repos, some of them also link to volunteer support channels.
Or instructions in German here: linux-content.org/so-installierst-du-affinity-pho…
Krita ?
😍 they know the good stuff
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Nobody should ever use the internet without uBlock Origin.
Friends don’t let friends surf unprotected.
Its super scary that there are many people not using it.
Yeah, whenever I hear people complaining about ads, I’m like “You guys are seeing ads?!”
I could understand if you needed to be some 1337 hacker to block ads, but uBlock is one of the easiest extensions I’ve ever used. You just set it and forget it. There’s zero configuration you need to do.
Of course, if there’s some ad that slips past, then you need to do some hacking, but that almost never happens nowadays.
It’s a cultural problem.
Most people won’t install adblockers unless they’re around others to tell/show them how.
I know the answer. People is lazy unless they have interest in it. Everybody wants happiness biologically but nobody makes a move to have it. People hate Windows, tries to remove Edge, make performance settings, use 3rd party awful things to improve Windows, but nobody gives any other OS a try. Same thing for the browsers, extensions like that etc. People think its matrix-ish and something weirdo. Who would use Matrix instead of Discord? Who would use any FF fork instead of Opera GX or Chrome? Who would use Lemmy and any ActivityPub media instead of Meta products or Reddit etc. We are full of prejudice, and dont want to move out from the comfort zone. We dont want to make a important choice for our privacy-safety unless it become viral in TikTok.
But also, I’d like we should be able to use internet without having to use uBlock Origin…
Agreed.
Advertising should be illegal.
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Not judging the software at all, but the fact that OnlyOffice is owned/developed by a semi-sketchy Russian corporation would probably preclude it from getting any endorsement from a Western government.
Didn’t know that :/ Hmm might switch myself then and delete my recc.
Dude. Don’t be part of the problem.
Cryptpad (which partly uses onlyoffice), writes about it here: forum.cryptpad.org/d/…/4
I think it’s an excellent post worth reading. Open Source entails collaborating with the whole world. Any code base is simply to big to audit from the start, but all incremental code can be audited, and you can disable stuff you don’t need etc.
For me, the post makes me trust cryptpad more than I did before.
And yes. Cryptpaf = onlyoffice, but still relevant I think
Edit: spelling of “worth”
I’m surprised FF got in with that bunch. Most of them are truly uncompromising OSS projects. Like WINE for example.
FF skirts A LOT of corporate influence…
Firefox offers a real alternative to chrome derivatives. I think it’s what we need to go for too.
Yeah I use it on Linux and prefer it over Chrome (even the variants people swear are “de-googled”) but do recognize it’s more of an enemy of my enemy kind of deal. I don’t like a lot of things FF does as it does have a corporate division to answer to. And they want money.
You could use LibreWolf on Linux, it’s a Firefox fork that removes all DRM, telemetry and other privacy-disrespecting crap from the og Firefox. All native addons/plugins are fully supported.
I started using Cromite with OpenXNG as my search engine and it’s been good. A de-googled chromium essentially with built in privacy/ad blockers.
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It’s good for the US, too.
Americans don’t have to live under the bootheels of corporations.
Surprised to see docker there after the rugpull they did some time ago.
What are you referring to?
The started charging money for Docker Desktop for companies and they have been adding pull limits on Docker Hub.
DuckDuckGo as a web browser?
On android at least, yes there is a duck duck go browser.
Great choices. I use all of them.
based!
I approve of all these except GIMP.
GIMP is just terrible.