sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 18 Jun 04:22
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Firefox auto-updates with the snap version, whereas it doesn’t with most package manager versions. So if it updates while you’re using it, it won’t let you open new tabs without restarting it (Firefox, not the machine), which can interrupt your workflow. On other distros, that only happens when installing updates manually, which isn’t an issue because you’re aware of it.
This is second hand info though since I don’t use Ubuntu, so YMMV.
Your web browser is just one piece of software on your network capable of displaying ads and collecting data
paraphrand@lemmy.world
on 17 Jun 23:05
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That’s reminds me, I should go update mine.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
on 18 Jun 02:13
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I’m only familiar with pi holes on a cursory level, but you have to update them manually? This is a bit of a turn off.
Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world
on 18 Jun 02:21
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You could schedule it with cron. You usually don’t need to update the lists very often though, and you don’t want to either as you’re just wasting the bandwidth of the hosts of the lists, who aren’t making any money off hosting them.
I’m a bit clueless when it comes to that but certainly interested. Could you maybe go into more detail as to which hardware and software is needed to set that up?
So the main software is here pi-hole.net (and they have good documentation, so I’m not going to repeat the nitty-gritty here)
You obviously need something to run it on, which could be some existing computer that’s always on, but (as the name might suggest) a lot of people use some form of Raspberry Pi (or similar) single-board computer.
Pihole will run on basically anything, so you can get an ancient pi and it will still run fine
You can always configure the DNS manually on a device you own to ignore the DHCP settings sent from the router and just go directly to the pihole, obviously not as good as it happening automatically, but a good workaround if that’s not possible
PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de
on 19 Jun 09:26
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Another user commented that you can run Unbound (the technology used by pihole) on your machine.
Even easier, configure your device to use an ad block DNS resolver. Control D has free ones: controld.com/free-dns
kbin_space_program@kbin.run
on 17 Jun 23:34
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What a garbage article. Chock full of google propaganda and fear mongering.
What specifically is “google propaganda and fear mongering” in the article?
kbin_space_program@kbin.run
on 18 Jun 00:16
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Mentions UBlock seems.to be fast and safe, but that the API used lets extensions look at everything you do amd can dramatically affect browser speed. Implying that UBlock Origin is responsible for Chrome being such a memory Hog and that they, not Google, are the ones after your data.
Except the part where it didn’t imply that at all?
That performance cost seems to be negligible in uBlock Origin and other popular ad blockers that have focused on optimization (uBO has an explainer wiki page), but there were probably other extensions not doing that well. It’s not hard to see a situation where multiple poorly-optimized extensions installed using the Web Request API could dramatically slow down Chrome, and the user would have no way of knowing the issue.
That performance cost seems to be negligible in uBlock Origin and other popular ad blockers that have focused on optimization […], but there were probably other extensions not doing that well.
The article goes out of its way to not do what you’re accusing it of. I don’t understand how you’ve managed to read the article as having the opposite slant as what it actually does.
far_university1990@feddit.de
on 18 Jun 11:36
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I don’t think that’s necessarily the case: Google knows as well as I do that a total crackdown would give governments like the European Union and United States more ammo for antitrust lawsuits.
They do not care, never have, never will. Cost of operation.
It would also be a motivator for more people to switch browsers, which would weaken Google’s browser monopoly.
Not enough even care that would make noticable difference in market share.
A lot of people were upset 23 years ago when Windows ME removed real mode DOS, too.
And they all stopped using it, right? Right?
The new Declarative Net Request API is still a downgrade in capability compared to the older API, but the feature gap has closed significantly.
Chrome now allows extensions to include 100 rule lists, with up to 50 lists active at once. There are also additional filtering options, including an option to have case-insensitive rules, which cuts down on duplicates in filter lists. The maximum number of filter rules now varies by use case — an extension can now have up to 30,000 dynamic rules (filters downloaded by the extension) if they are deemed as “safe” (block, allow, allowAllRequests or upgradeScheme), an additional 5,000 other types of dynamic requests, and more filters included in the extension package.
for context, EasyList is just one of the lists enabled by default in uBlock Origin and other ad blockers, and it has over 75,000 rules.
That seems like it’s fine for general use, and those limits might go up again. EasyList and the other big lists can be consolidated to varying degrees with Chrome’s rules format, and there’s probably some dead rules in there. uBlock Origin on Firefox will definitely be more versatile moving forward, but every time I’ve used uBlock Origin Lite in Chrome it’s almost the same experience.
far_university1990@feddit.de
on 18 Jun 17:53
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Why even make limit at all? Should not have any.
EasyList and the other big lists can be consolidated to varying degrees with Chrome’s rules format
Source? Or you just assume they can? What about specific list? List by small maintainer?
Not convinced feature gap any better yet just by slightly higher number and not said real number and vague „can compress list“.
Also, until Hill say satisfied with api or proven it enough to fight google head on in adblock war, not think good enough.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
on 18 Jun 02:15
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Seemed pretty level headed and surprisingly well written to me.
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
on 18 Jun 01:57
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jeena@piefed.jeena.net
on 18 Jun 02:23
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uBlock Origin for Chrome has over 34 million installations according to the Chrome Web Store
Oh wow, that is very surprising to me. I somehow expected a billion of installations. Especially when I saw the screenshots without it in the article, how can anyone browse the web without it?
LordWiggle@lemmy.world
on 18 Jun 02:39
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There are other ad block options. And there is Firefox. I use Vivaldi browser, it has a built-in ad blocker, just like many other browsers. I just wish Vivaldi would be Firefox based.
But Firefox has a installation base of 2.8% and Chrome 65%. The Firefox uBlock Origin installations are in my opinion statistically insignificant, so are Brave browser installations which are even lower.
Adblock users are still a statistical minority of web users. Most people don’t care (as evidenced by Netflix’s ad tier gaining subscribers every quarter) or don’t know those extensions exist.
Just adding that as I understand this, donations to the Mozilla Foundation cannot go towards Firefox, because it’s [edit: Firefox is] actually part of the Mozilla Corporation. To help with funding Firefox people can consider purchasing the Corporation’s other products (VPN/Relay/Monitor), or purchasing merch.
If you like this article, please consider following the site on Mastodon/Fedi, email, or RSS. It helps me get information like this out to a wider audience :)
They only have 40 posts so I gave them a follow. It’s when accounts have like 10k posts and an account is less than a year old that I won’t follow them, I don’t need that noise.
Definitely not. Gun ownership should be abolished like slavery was. A knife has good use for cutting and cooking, but a gun, especially in private hands, has absolutely no reason to exist.
Plus it’s kind of impossible to understand how you see police brutality and the way they responded to the George Floyd protests and think, “Yeah, these guys should be trusted with the only guns in existence.”
Like have you already forgotten about Uvalde? If the cops hadn’t been there to cower behind their cars and stop people rescuing their kids then less kids would’ve died.
First: Is “every redneck yokel and his dumb brother is allowed to own an arsenal” in anyway better than a government monopoly in that regard?
Second: This would of course need properly selected and trained policemen, not those trigger-happy yokels that the US uses instead.
My position is from a country where “Police Brutality” is seen as an American or other third world country thing. We don’t allow every random idiot to own a gun. We have properly trained police. We therefor also don’t have issues like Uvalde and George Floyd. For an American, it is hard to draw a straight line between those factors, but in the rest of the civilized world, it is the standard.
So sorry for assuming you were talking about the US when you talked about school shootings.
I come from a country like that too, but if you think police brutality doesn’t happen in your country then again: political bubble.
Go ahead, tell me what country you’re from and I’ll burst it for you.
I used to say the same thing about my country, Australia, where they’ve recently been imprisoning whistleblowers who expose clear government abuse. EDIT: They’ve also been doing racist colonial violence since day 0 and they have never stopped.
There is no such thing as a state that can be trusted with violence. They always use it to oppress.
You provided exactly zero reasoning for most of your statements and have now taken a condescending position. People like you are why we can’t have nice things in the world.
I prefer basing my opinions on logic, arguments, and facts over feelings. Your inability to articulate a response to certain arguments shows why this is still a debate. Further, you’re relying on the idea that something is crazy to you, therefore it should be to everybody, but that’s not how it works. There’s racist people that use this exact type of reasoning to support their racism.
E.G.
“Black people are less than white people”
logical counterpoint
logical counterpoint
“WTF do you need a reasoning that black people are less than white people”
If your position is really stronger, then it shouldn’t be hard for you to make arguments in favor of it.
So you completely accept the state’s monopoly on violence
That’s the whole point of the state. And no, you guys are not fighting the US army with its armored vehicles, rockets, bombs, drones, etc. with your guns if it comes to this.
The point of the state is to maintain one class’s domination over others, violence is just the means to achieving that. It’s not a good thing.
And not all armed resistance takes the form of open warfare.
Under a strong state one viable way of resisting the state is community defense. For instance the Black Panthers began open carrying to observe police doing traffic stops, because black men kept getting killed (edit: of course we know they still are).
The state’s response was weapons bans. That ban targetted the Black Panthers and was selectively enforced against them. This is where California got its reputation for banning guns. It was the state maintaining its ability to oppress people along class and racial lines.
StaySquared@lemmy.world
on 18 Jun 18:22
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I think I’ve made this comment before, but I really wish people would learn more about technologies like pihole. Get the ad once, get the hyperlink, add it to blacklist.
BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one
on 18 Jun 19:53
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Ironically, I wish people including yourself knew more about shit like how PiHole/RaspPi simply leverage Unbound, which is not unique to only Pi software or Pi devices. You can do this same thing on any OS that has it installed.
Does Unbound work across the entire network on devices you can’t install it to directly, the way a pihole does?
zer0squar3d@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 19 Jun 03:17
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Only if used as primary DNS service for whole network, however, has no where near the options pihole or adguardhome have; my limited experience is with it in opnsense, so by far isn’t complete but I disable it and forward everything to adguardhome.
djsaskdja@reddthat.com
on 18 Jun 23:01
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Does it have a GUI or is it CLI only?
zer0squar3d@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 19 Jun 03:16
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GUI and cli, however, has no where near the options pihole or adguardhome have; my limited experience is with it in opnsense, so by far isn’t complete but I disable it and forward everything to adguardhome.
That’s a very rare case, and you can whitelist a domain using the pihole’s web interface. It may require extra two clicks, but I had to do that maybe twice in the last year.
I run a pihole as well, but it is a very rudimentary tool compared to browser based adblockers like uBlock origin. It can only block DNS queries, and can’t for example block ads if they are served from the same domain as the main site (i.e. youtube) or block specific elements on a page or block a specific script from running.
can’t for example block ads if they are served from the same domain as the main site (i.e. youtube) or block specific elements on a page or block a specific script from running.
I mean it’s just a browser. Bit of fiddling with the saved password and your go to go again to never look back. If they value their users they will improve again like Firefox did in the background over years.
I only hope a good search engine will appear again. I don’t like the alternatives.
dustyData@lemmy.world
on 19 Jun 13:19
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If you are smart, you have a password manager that you login once then everything is there and ready to login to every single account instantly.
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www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/windows/
firefox.com
www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/linux/
Eh, on Linux, it’s probably in your package manager, and likely already installed. Just be careful with Ubuntu since they use snaps.
Be careful?
Firefox auto-updates with the snap version, whereas it doesn’t with most package manager versions. So if it updates while you’re using it, it won’t let you open new tabs without restarting it (Firefox, not the machine), which can interrupt your workflow. On other distros, that only happens when installing updates manually, which isn’t an issue because you’re aware of it.
This is second hand info though since I don’t use Ubuntu, so YMMV.
Nonsense like this is why I no longer use Ubuntu (or anything else downstream of Canonical, or anything with Snaps).
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nix run nixpkgs#firefoxwww.waterfox.com
A really good chrome clone using Firefox. It’s my go-to browser.
Only issue is that it’s a little slower to update than Firefox direct.
librewolf.net
www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/
floorp.app Been lovin this fork solely because the vertical tab bar integration is awesome.
Run a pihole or similar
Your web browser is just one piece of software on your network capable of displaying ads and collecting data
That’s reminds me, I should go update mine.
I’m only familiar with pi holes on a cursory level, but you have to update them manually? This is a bit of a turn off.
You could schedule it with cron. You usually don’t need to update the lists very often though, and you don’t want to either as you’re just wasting the bandwidth of the hosts of the lists, who aren’t making any money off hosting them.
You have to type one command:
docs.pi-hole.net/main/update/
Network-level adblock cannot replace browser-level adblock and vice versa
Both… both is good
I’m a bit clueless when it comes to that but certainly interested. Could you maybe go into more detail as to which hardware and software is needed to set that up?
Thanks much in advance!
So the main software is here pi-hole.net (and they have good documentation, so I’m not going to repeat the nitty-gritty here)
You obviously need something to run it on, which could be some existing computer that’s always on, but (as the name might suggest) a lot of people use some form of Raspberry Pi (or similar) single-board computer.
Pihole will run on basically anything, so you can get an ancient pi and it will still run fine
I thought this requires permission to a router. Can you do this say at a dorm or an apartment where internet is provided for you through a portal
You can always configure the DNS manually on a device you own to ignore the DHCP settings sent from the router and just go directly to the pihole, obviously not as good as it happening automatically, but a good workaround if that’s not possible
Another user commented that you can run Unbound (the technology used by pihole) on your machine.
Even easier, configure your device to use an ad block DNS resolver. Control D has free ones: controld.com/free-dns
What a garbage article. Chock full of google propaganda and fear mongering.
What’s Google?
A misspelling of googol, which means 10^100^.
What specifically is “google propaganda and fear mongering” in the article?
Mentions UBlock seems.to be fast and safe, but that the API used lets extensions look at everything you do amd can dramatically affect browser speed. Implying that UBlock Origin is responsible for Chrome being such a memory Hog and that they, not Google, are the ones after your data.
Except the part where it didn’t imply that at all?
The article goes out of its way to not do what you’re accusing it of. I don’t understand how you’ve managed to read the article as having the opposite slant as what it actually does.
They do not care, never have, never will. Cost of operation.
Not enough even care that would make noticable difference in market share.
And they all stopped using it, right? Right?
Can you math? Feature gap almost same as before.
That’s up to 30K dynamic rules, at least 30K static rules, and at least 1K regex rules: developer.chrome.com/…/declarativeNetRequest#prop…
That seems like it’s fine for general use, and those limits might go up again. EasyList and the other big lists can be consolidated to varying degrees with Chrome’s rules format, and there’s probably some dead rules in there. uBlock Origin on Firefox will definitely be more versatile moving forward, but every time I’ve used uBlock Origin Lite in Chrome it’s almost the same experience.
Why even make limit at all? Should not have any.
Source? Or you just assume they can? What about specific list? List by small maintainer?
Not convinced feature gap any better yet just by slightly higher number and not said real number and vague „can compress list“.
Also, until Hill say satisfied with api or proven it enough to fight google head on in adblock war, not think good enough.
Seemed pretty level headed and surprisingly well written to me.
… that aren’t Firefox.
The article talks about Firefox too.
Oh wow, that is very surprising to me. I somehow expected a billion of installations. Especially when I saw the screenshots without it in the article, how can anyone browse the web without it?
There are other ad block options. And there is Firefox. I use Vivaldi browser, it has a built-in ad blocker, just like many other browsers. I just wish Vivaldi would be Firefox based.
But Firefox has a installation base of 2.8% and Chrome 65%. The Firefox uBlock Origin installations are in my opinion statistically insignificant, so are Brave browser installations which are even lower.
Adblock users are still a statistical minority of web users. Most people don’t care (as evidenced by Netflix’s ad tier gaining subscribers every quarter) or don’t know those extensions exist.
TL;DR use FF
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Use Firefox if you want but don’t donate to Mozilla. Money doesn’t go to Firefox development anyway.
Also if they can afford to pay their CEO $3 millions a year, they don’t need your donations.
Just adding that as I understand this, donations to the Mozilla Foundation cannot go towards Firefox, because it’s [edit: Firefox is] actually part of the Mozilla Corporation. To help with funding Firefox people can consider purchasing the Corporation’s other products (VPN/Relay/Monitor), or purchasing merch.
See more here on the AMA on Reddit, and this thread
afaik the corporation is part of the foundation so the other way around
Sorry, it was unclear in my comment. By “it’s actually part of the Mozilla Corporation” I was referring to Firefox, not Mozilla Foundation
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I didn’t even click the article. Here’s Why -
They only have 40 posts so I gave them a follow. It’s when accounts have like 10k posts and an account is less than a year old that I won’t follow them, I don’t need that noise.
That’s like making knifes illegal in general because they have been used in a certain amount of murder cases.
And now, a new golden age of malvertisement will emerge…
Indeed. What a f-ing stupid argument: “We cannot trust the extensions that the user installed, therefor we give malware from advertisers free roam!”
If 42% of crimes used a handgun, we should ban those too.
You just made the argument for gun rights.
Thank you and I love you. <3
Definitely not. Gun ownership should be abolished like slavery was. A knife has good use for cutting and cooking, but a gun, especially in private hands, has absolutely no reason to exist.
Americans phrase it a bit different:
‘Fuckin guns fuck yea!’
Yep. One of the many intellectual challenges that the US is facing…
I’ve got some awful news for you about slavery
So you completely accept the state’s monopoly on violence, and you also don’t think farmers should be allowed to shoot pests?
This is a statement made by someone who lives in a political and ecological bubble.
Better than spreading this to everydays mass shooting event culprits, don’t you agree?
“Spreading”? It’s already spread.
Plus it’s kind of impossible to understand how you see police brutality and the way they responded to the George Floyd protests and think, “Yeah, these guys should be trusted with the only guns in existence.”
Like have you already forgotten about Uvalde? If the cops hadn’t been there to cower behind their cars and stop people rescuing their kids then less kids would’ve died.
First: Is “every redneck yokel and his dumb brother is allowed to own an arsenal” in anyway better than a government monopoly in that regard?
Second: This would of course need properly selected and trained policemen, not those trigger-happy yokels that the US uses instead.
My position is from a country where “Police Brutality” is seen as an American or other third world country thing. We don’t allow every random idiot to own a gun. We have properly trained police. We therefor also don’t have issues like Uvalde and George Floyd. For an American, it is hard to draw a straight line between those factors, but in the rest of the civilized world, it is the standard.
So sorry for assuming you were talking about the US when you talked about school shootings.
I come from a country like that too, but if you think police brutality doesn’t happen in your country then again: political bubble.
Go ahead, tell me what country you’re from and I’ll burst it for you.
I used to say the same thing about my country, Australia, where they’ve recently been imprisoning whistleblowers who expose clear government abuse. EDIT: They’ve also been doing racist colonial violence since day 0 and they have never stopped.
There is no such thing as a state that can be trusted with violence. They always use it to oppress.
Oh, and trusting random yokels with violence is better?
Unironically yes.
Now are you going to answer what I’m saying or are you just bowing out of all the points you tried to raise and which I answered?
My condolences.
I answered all the relevant ones.
So like… your answer is no.
You provided exactly zero reasoning for most of your statements and have now taken a condescending position. People like you are why we can’t have nice things in the world.
WTF do you need a “reasoning” for that normal people should not have guns at all?
I prefer basing my opinions on logic, arguments, and facts over feelings. Your inability to articulate a response to certain arguments shows why this is still a debate. Further, you’re relying on the idea that something is crazy to you, therefore it should be to everybody, but that’s not how it works. There’s racist people that use this exact type of reasoning to support their racism.
E.G.
“Black people are less than white people”
“WTF do you need a reasoning that black people are less than white people”
If your position is really stronger, then it shouldn’t be hard for you to make arguments in favor of it.
That’s the whole point of the state. And no, you guys are not fighting the US army with its armored vehicles, rockets, bombs, drones, etc. with your guns if it comes to this.
The point of the state is to maintain one class’s domination over others, violence is just the means to achieving that. It’s not a good thing.
And not all armed resistance takes the form of open warfare.
Under a strong state one viable way of resisting the state is community defense. For instance the Black Panthers began open carrying to observe police doing traffic stops, because black men kept getting killed (edit: of course we know they still are).
The state’s response was weapons bans. That ban targetted the Black Panthers and was selectively enforced against them. This is where California got its reputation for banning guns. It was the state maintaining its ability to oppress people along class and racial lines.
I think I’ve made this comment before, but I really wish people would learn more about technologies like pihole. Get the ad once, get the hyperlink, add it to blacklist.
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Ironically, I wish people including yourself knew more about shit like how PiHole/RaspPi simply leverage Unbound, which is not unique to only Pi software or Pi devices. You can do this same thing on any OS that has it installed.
Does Unbound work across the entire network on devices you can’t install it to directly, the way a pihole does?
Only if used as primary DNS service for whole network, however, has no where near the options pihole or adguardhome have; my limited experience is with it in opnsense, so by far isn’t complete but I disable it and forward everything to adguardhome.
What it can do in opnsense (for an example of what can be done with it, blocklist near bottom): docs.opnsense.org/manual/unbound.html
Does it have a GUI or is it CLI only?
GUI and cli, however, has no where near the options pihole or adguardhome have; my limited experience is with it in opnsense, so by far isn’t complete but I disable it and forward everything to adguardhome.
What it can do in opnsense (for an example of what can be done with it, blocklist near bottom): docs.opnsense.org/manual/unbound.html
Adblock is more than just a DNS sink. I have both of those, but still use ublock origin.
Yep, same
Until that ad also happens to be for a legitimate website you want to visit. I’d rather have a adblocker I can change right there in the website
That’s a very rare case, and you can whitelist a domain using the pihole’s web interface. It may require extra two clicks, but I had to do that maybe twice in the last year.
I run a pihole as well, but it is a very rudimentary tool compared to browser based adblockers like uBlock origin. It can only block DNS queries, and can’t for example block ads if they are served from the same domain as the main site (i.e. youtube) or block specific elements on a page or block a specific script from running.
Yeah that’s true.
Too much effort for pretty much everything that normal AdBlock already did
But it’s worth it… pretty much can block anything and everything across the entire network - on all endpoints.
This finally made all my Chrome friends switch to the fox. about time
I mean it’s just a browser. Bit of fiddling with the saved password and your go to go again to never look back. If they value their users they will improve again like Firefox did in the background over years.
I only hope a good search engine will appear again. I don’t like the alternatives.
If you are smart, you have a password manager that you login once then everything is there and ready to login to every single account instantly.
I have been using swisscows for about a month. It’s no Google… But it seems to be better than what Google is now…