A hidden consequence of the gig economy is that workers keep asking customers for sex or dates (www.businessinsider.com)
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A hidden consequence of the gig economy is that workers keep asking customers for sex or dates::“People have the right to order a pizza … without then being asked for sex or a date.”

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autotldr@lemmings.world on 24 Aug 2023 14:00 next collapse

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Almost 1 in 3 Brits between 18 and 34 years old have received unwanted contact from delivery drivers or other workers asking them out on dates or for sex, the UK’s data watchdog has warned.

“People have the right to order a pizza, or give their email for a receipt, or have shopping delivered, without then being asked for sex or a date a little while later,” said Emily Keaney, a deputy commissioner at the ICO.

In June, a female Etihad Airways passenger told The Guardian how she felt unsafe after a worker contracted by the airline found her phone number in the company system then sent her unsolicited text messages.

A growing number of firms, particularly in delivery, transport, or logistics, rely on gig economy or contract workers.

Its survey found that two-thirds of the UK public believe it isn’t morally right to use personal details given for business purposes for romantic or sexual propositions.

The regulator said it’s cracking down on such occurrences, asking victims to come forward, and reaching out to companies to remind them of their data protection responsibilities.


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Sanctus@lemmy.world on 24 Aug 2023 14:09 next collapse

This happens anywhere and everywhere anyway. You will not quench the thurst

thurstylark@lemm.ee on 24 Aug 2023 15:16 collapse

THIS IS CORRECT. I CANNOT BE QUENCHED.

unreachable@lemmy.my.id on 24 Aug 2023 15:22 next collapse

a wild fucking thurst appears

StickyLavander@lemm.ee on 25 Aug 2023 19:40 collapse

User name checks out

wahming@monyet.cc on 24 Aug 2023 14:13 next collapse

Would it be any different with normal delivery drivers? The issue here is lack of reporting or enforcement. There are good reasons to bash the gig economy, but this one’s just riding the wave for the clicks

MonkeyKhan@feddit.de on 24 Aug 2023 16:46 next collapse

There doesn’t seem to be any data that they based this conclusion on, but I certainly find it somewhat plausible. High turnover and a disconnect between employer and employee may drive the lack of reporting and enforcement you point out. It may also reduce the perceived risk, like your colleagues finding out you are a creep, or being fired.

SgtSilverLining@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 24 Aug 2023 19:09 collapse

If an employee delivering pizza harassed me, they would be fired. They couldn’t be hired at that same pizza place again - they’d have a blacklisted ssn.

If a gig work worker harassed me, they could easily resign up using someone else’s info. In fact, that’s a common method for harassing women - they sign up with a fake woman’s profile so you let your guard down.

wahming@monyet.cc on 24 Aug 2023 20:19 collapse

Isn’t that pretty much the definition of lack of enforcement? Any customer could report if the driver is using a different ID, then it’s up to the platform to kill the account.

FMT99@lemmy.world on 25 Aug 2023 07:35 collapse

That’s one of the big issues with all these Gig companies. There’s little to no oversight. They offload as much responsibility as they can by lying that “this is not really our employee but a self-employed contractor”

CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works on 24 Aug 2023 14:15 next collapse

This has nothing to do with “gig economy”

Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever@lemmy.world on 24 Aug 2023 14:31 next collapse

It doesn’t help.

Most companies tend to have a “don’t hit on the customers” rule and people can generally learn and share which don’t.

But. Once again, untrained and unregulated pseudo employees don’t have that training and can pick orders that are likely to be who they are stalking

joe@lemmy.world on 24 Aug 2023 15:25 collapse

Are you saying that traditional food delivery drivers get trained specifically not to hit on people when they deliver food? I don’t have any data but I feel like that’s not really a thing. Maybe my concept of the training a food delivery driver gets is way off the mark?

I’m also pretty sure that it’s easier to give a bad review that others will see via one of these food delivery apps than it is if you go directly to the business.

I think we all agree that this is inappropriate and should not be happening, I just don’t see how it doesn’t apply at least equally to traditional delivery drivers.

BottleOfAlkahest@lemmy.world on 24 Aug 2023 15:43 next collapse

I think the issue may have been less prevelant with traditional delivery drivers because there was less delivery going on before delivery apps took off. You’re also making the assumption that anything is done about gig workers someone complains about or gives a low rating too, it seems unlikely that these apps are doing background checks and other things traditional delivery drivers may have been subjected too.

Buddahriffic@lemmy.world on 26 Aug 2023 04:15 collapse

There were no background checks at any of the pizza places I delivered for. Two of them didn’t even have interviews.

For one of them my buddy’s starter died while we were picking up pizza and the driver helped out by giving us a ride home and mentioned he was looking for someone to cover for him while he was on vacation and I offered, then just had to show up the first day of his vacation.

For the other one, I had asked if they were looking for a driver, they had said no but then later that week one of the drivers shows up at my door to ask if I still wanted the job (I was a regular so he knew where I lived). Once again, I just showed up the first day and started delivering.

Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever@lemmy.world on 24 Aug 2023 15:45 next collapse

The twenty minutes of training and paperwork usually says not to. And if people do and there are complaints, people get pay docked and teach each other to not be creepers

Buddahriffic@lemmy.world on 26 Aug 2023 04:04 collapse

I’ve delivered pizzas from 4 different locations and none of them had any training about what to do and not do with customers. The most training I had was when I was supposed to take orders over the phone and enter them into the computer system. The others were just “here’s where the pending delivery tickets will be and here’s where they’ll be when they are ready”.

Cryophilia@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 2023 01:51 collapse

I don’t have any data but I feel like

Ah, internet, never change

joe@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 2023 04:05 collapse

Hey, I was up front about my data (or lack thereof) and we’re not talking about climate change or string theory, we’re talking about fast food delivery driver’s onboarding.

“The Internet” would just state it like a fact.

deegeese@sopuli.xyz on 24 Aug 2023 16:31 collapse

Gig economy means a bunch of randos get your contact information instead of long term employees who receive proper training and management.

betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world on 24 Aug 2023 14:16 next collapse

"People have the right to order a pizza … without then being asked for sex or a date.”

I’ve seen plenty of documentary footage showing that arriving with a pizza often ends in an invitation to personally deliver the sausage.

cheese_greater@lemmy.world on 24 Aug 2023 18:14 next collapse

Grrrrr

altima_neo@lemmy.zip on 25 Aug 2023 20:07 collapse

The sausage is always whole though. And awkwardly placed vertically on the pizza.

MoonManKipper@lemmy.world on 24 Aug 2023 14:16 next collapse

I’m confident it’s not 1 in 3 customers, rather “most customers who are also young women”. You should be able to order a pizza without being hit on, especially as they now have your contact details

radix@lemm.ee on 24 Aug 2023 14:45 next collapse

Considering it’s limited in scope to Brits between the ages of 18 and 34, one in three is actually conservative seeing as it’s less than the half of the population you would expect to be women by default.

Spuddaccino@reddthat.com on 24 Aug 2023 17:29 collapse

That makes sense to me.

Everyone has a type, even sleazeballs that hit on people they’re delivering food to. They’re bound to find some women that don’t appeal to them.

LifeInOregon@lemmy.world on 25 Aug 2023 07:16 collapse

You should also be able to deliver a pizza without being hit on. I’m a dad side-hustling to take care of my family. I don’t need women answering the door topless and making “do I get extra sausage” jokes. And I also don’t need old ladies hitting on me when I bring their heavy groceries to the door for a Safeway delivery.

Whether someone is the deliverer or the deliveree, just get the transaction done and move on with your day. No harassment needed.

MoonManKipper@lemmy.world on 25 Aug 2023 14:36 collapse

Agreed - though does the topless thing happen a lot in Oregon? Just asking for a friend

Lexam@lemmy.ca on 24 Aug 2023 16:46 next collapse

I love the “leave it at the door” option. But you can’t do that with an uber.

altima_neo@lemmy.zip on 25 Aug 2023 13:03 next collapse

I think the last thing anyone wants is some broke ass gig worker hitting on them.

blacklizardplanet@lemmy.world on 25 Aug 2023 13:22 next collapse

Leave it at the door is the default option for all my services I use. Have literally never spoken to the a gig worker before, during or after delivering something for me.

Holyginz@lemmy.world on 25 Aug 2023 21:16 next collapse

Anyone have a non pay walled link?

SMITHandWESSON@lemmy.world on 25 Aug 2023 21:19 collapse

Lol, do you even need it? The headline speaks volumes.🤣

Almost 1 in 3 Brits between 18 and 34 years old have received unwanted contact from delivery drivers or other workers asking them out on dates or for sex, the UK’s data watchdog has warned.

The survey of over 2,000 British adults carried out for the Information Commissioner’s Office found that, in total, 17% of people have had their personal information used for a romantic or sexual proposition after handing it over to a business.

That figure rises to 33% in London, where such incidents are most common.

“People have the right to order a pizza, or give their email for a receipt, or have shopping delivered, without then being asked for sex or a date a little while later,” said Emily Keaney, a deputy commissioner at the ICO.

“Our research today shows a disturbingly high number of people, particularly young people, are falling prey to these text pests,” she added.

In June, a female Etihad Airways passenger told The Guardian how she felt unsafe after a worker contracted by the airline found her phone number in the company system then sent her unsolicited text messages.

“There may be, amongst some, an outdated notion that to use someone’s personal details given to you in a business context to ask them out is romantic or charming,” Keaney said. “Put quite simply, it is not – it is against the law.”

A growing number of firms, particularly in delivery, transport, or logistics, rely on gig economy or contract workers. These workers are not entitled to the same employment rights as full-time workers, the jobs can be precarious and badly paid, and turnover is often high. One consequence is that sensitive customer information, such as phone numbers and addresses, is accessible to casual workers.

The ICO did not explicitly name any companies, but pointed to “major businesses” operating in food and parcel delivery.

Its survey found that two-thirds of the UK public believe it isn’t morally right to use personal details given for business purposes for romantic or sexual propositions.

The regulator said it’s cracking down on such occurrences, asking victims to come forward, and reaching out to companies to remind them of their data protection responsibilities.

If a company is found not to be following data-protection laws, it can be fined up to £17.5 million ($22.1 million) or 4% of its global turnover

Madex@lemm.ee on 25 Aug 2023 21:31 next collapse

Not just sitting on them for text pests, have you experienced their scooter riding lately. I nearly clapped one today cutting in front of me on a roundabout…

scarabic@lemmy.world on 25 Aug 2023 21:40 collapse

What is “asking for sex?” I know it sounds dumb but is this a thing people really do? How do they say it? “Hey any chance I could have some sex?” “Spare any sex?” “Here’s your food want to fuck?”

And does anyone ever say yes???

afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world on 25 Aug 2023 22:22 next collapse

Clearly. Humans only do things that work.

Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world on 25 Aug 2023 22:39 collapse

Humans only do things that work.

If only.

Jax@sh.itjust.works on 25 Aug 2023 23:28 next collapse

Just a crumb of pussy m’lady.

whispering_depths@lemmy.world on 26 Aug 2023 04:26 next collapse

if you’re a girl, you’ll get freaks approach you eventually if you see enough people who will passively say awful things to you, ask for sex, get stalked,etc

scarabic@lemmy.world on 26 Aug 2023 16:16 collapse

I’m a man so I have no idea. But I have heard some stories. It must be gross.

What words do people use to “ask for sex?” I have some idea what flirting is. I have some idea what hitting on someone is. I don’t know what it actually looks like to “ask for sex.”

Kolanaki@yiffit.net on 26 Aug 2023 04:27 collapse

“Oh dear! I seem to have misplaced my wallet. Is there… Some other way I could pay?”

Only it’s a weird and creepy (possibly ugly even) dude saying it to a young woman who just wants to pay her rent and is delivering for DoorDash on the side.