fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world
on 15 Dec 2023 15:44
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I’m personally very interested in the “Low Power Island” and it’s efficiency cores for it’s efficiency cores.
S0 standby is pretty rough on high end high power laptops like my Thinkpad with it’s 11th gen i9. I sometimes have power drain higher in standby than just normally on. If Windows is smart it could turn off all cores but the E E-cores and maybe make modern standby not so much worse than S1-3 standby.
The Low Power Island also has DLVR finally, but sadly the rest of the CPU doesn’t.
Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee
on 15 Dec 2023 19:07
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Or maybe we could just maintain good old traditional sleep? Not like you want your laptop to be a phone with push notifications and alike
doczombie@lemmy.world
on 15 Dec 2023 23:43
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Don’t you? Instant wake is hella useful, especially if you are using a laptop as a laptop and moving between meeting rooms etc, constantly bumping between sleep and wake.
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world
on 16 Dec 2023 00:04
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S1 sleep was as fast to resume as S0 standby.
Instead I get 30+ seconds to wake from sleep, 1% battery drain per minute, and the random chance that it just overheats in my bag and crashes. At least on my Surface Pro and Intel U series laptops it’s tolerable, but I’d much rather S1 standby for 30 minutes, S3 standby for 4 hours, before finally hibernating. Instead I currently get buggy S0 for 15 minutes, and hopefully it makes it to complete hibernation after that.
doczombie@lemmy.world
on 16 Dec 2023 00:36
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Yeah windows standby sucks. On platforms where the equivalent of s0 doesn’t suck, it’s awesome.
QuarterSwede@lemmy.world
on 16 Dec 2023 03:19
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Bingo. MacBook’s are always ready to wake with little battery loss. Windows just … can’t do that ever. If phones can be expected to behave this way, computers have zero excuses they can’t.
bruhduh@lemmy.world
on 16 Dec 2023 10:53
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Oof, felt that, my thinkpad overheated in my backpack while i was dualbooting, it was that hot so my backpack almost combusted
Man, this is why my work laptop does that. It is an all around POS so I chalked this problem up to that. I didn’t know that MS deliberately broke sleep. With this knowledge I’ve learned how to go back to regular sleep.
SharkAttak@kbin.social
on 16 Dec 2023 21:37
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Exactly, with modern CPUs and ssd there shouldn't be the need to have PCs that sleep with an eye open.
SharkAttak@kbin.social
on 16 Dec 2023 21:57
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This is because it's the first client processor to be made using chiplets instead of a monolithic design.
Wasn't AMD already using chiplets for their CPUs?
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
on 17 Dec 2023 10:27
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For years. 2017 if you argue the separate CCXs in Zen1 Threadripper to be chiplets.
2019 with Zen2 if you’re not counting that.
AMD is pretty ahead of everyone when it comes to packaging tech.
SharkAttak@kbin.social
on 17 Dec 2023 18:36
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Next thing they'll declare to be the first to use 3D packaging in their CPUs.
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world
on 18 Dec 2023 17:59
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Amd’s chiplets are different from Intel’s.
AMD’s chipltets are discrete “modules” that are physically separate from each other.
Intel is trying to make an almost monolithic die, but using distinct chips sitting directly next to each other with (I believe) an almost direct link.
AMD’s chiplet design isn’t very good for low power low load uses (like laptops) while Intel’s approach should be much better for laptops. Sapphire rapids is closer to AMD’s chiplet design, but dear god do those CPUs use a lot of power.
SharkAttak@kbin.social
on 20 Dec 2023 00:26
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Honestly I see little difference, the parts of the cpu are divided differently and Intel's are closer and designed to have more modularity overall, but still declaring it to be the first made using chiplets is basically not true.
I'm not bieng an AMD fanboy here, I just don't like when company boast/hyping goes too far.
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 04:52
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Who’s saying it’s the first attempt at chiplets? It’s not even Intel’s first attempt, that would be sapphire rapids more recently, or those old awful pentium extreme dual “cores” that were almost literally two CPUs glued together.
SharkAttak@kbin.social
on 21 Dec 2023 00:27
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I’m personally very interested in the “Low Power Island” and it’s efficiency cores for it’s efficiency cores.
S0 standby is pretty rough on high end high power laptops like my Thinkpad with it’s 11th gen i9. I sometimes have power drain higher in standby than just normally on. If Windows is smart it could turn off all cores but the E E-cores and maybe make modern standby not so much worse than S1-3 standby.
The Low Power Island also has DLVR finally, but sadly the rest of the CPU doesn’t.
Or maybe we could just maintain good old traditional sleep? Not like you want your laptop to be a phone with push notifications and alike
Don’t you? Instant wake is hella useful, especially if you are using a laptop as a laptop and moving between meeting rooms etc, constantly bumping between sleep and wake.
S1 sleep was as fast to resume as S0 standby.
Instead I get 30+ seconds to wake from sleep, 1% battery drain per minute, and the random chance that it just overheats in my bag and crashes. At least on my Surface Pro and Intel U series laptops it’s tolerable, but I’d much rather S1 standby for 30 minutes, S3 standby for 4 hours, before finally hibernating. Instead I currently get buggy S0 for 15 minutes, and hopefully it makes it to complete hibernation after that.
Yeah windows standby sucks. On platforms where the equivalent of s0 doesn’t suck, it’s awesome.
Bingo. MacBook’s are always ready to wake with little battery loss. Windows just … can’t do that ever. If phones can be expected to behave this way, computers have zero excuses they can’t.
Oof, felt that, my thinkpad overheated in my backpack while i was dualbooting, it was that hot so my backpack almost combusted
Man, this is why my work laptop does that. It is an all around POS so I chalked this problem up to that. I didn’t know that MS deliberately broke sleep. With this knowledge I’ve learned how to go back to regular sleep.
Exactly, with modern CPUs and ssd there shouldn't be the need to have PCs that sleep with an eye open.
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It does not have AVX512
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Wasn't AMD already using chiplets for their CPUs?
For years. 2017 if you argue the separate CCXs in Zen1 Threadripper to be chiplets.
2019 with Zen2 if you’re not counting that.
AMD is pretty ahead of everyone when it comes to packaging tech.
Next thing they'll declare to be the first to use 3D packaging in their CPUs.
Amd’s chiplets are different from Intel’s.
AMD’s chipltets are discrete “modules” that are physically separate from each other.
Intel is trying to make an almost monolithic die, but using distinct chips sitting directly next to each other with (I believe) an almost direct link.
AMD’s chiplet design isn’t very good for low power low load uses (like laptops) while Intel’s approach should be much better for laptops. Sapphire rapids is closer to AMD’s chiplet design, but dear god do those CPUs use a lot of power.
Honestly I see little difference, the parts of the cpu are divided differently and Intel's are closer and designed to have more modularity overall, but still declaring it to be the first made using chiplets is basically not true.
I'm not bieng an AMD fanboy here, I just don't like when company boast/hyping goes too far.
Who’s saying it’s the first attempt at chiplets? It’s not even Intel’s first attempt, that would be sapphire rapids more recently, or those old awful pentium extreme dual “cores” that were almost literally two CPUs glued together.
In the article, the bit I quoted in my top post.