DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world
on 01 Sep 22:30
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Yes. So? How is that relevant, if we are talking about companies automating the requests with no regards for their accuracy ruining the internet? Isn’t it a given?
Because the companies have no say in the matter. It doesn’t matter if they’re accurate or not, they have to comply with the law by taking them down.
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world
on 01 Sep 23:24
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Again, it’s not the companies complying with the takedowns we are complaining about. It’s the companies that automatically send takedowns, with no regard for whether the takedowns are legitimate. These companies are supposed to have a duty to verify their copyright claim is valid before sending a takedown. But no one is enforcing it, so they don’t do it. That is the biggest issue here. We need to punish companies and individuals for sending illegitimate takedown requests.
I don’t understand why you just keep repeating yourself
These companies are supposed to have a duty to verify their copyright claim is valid before sending a takedown
Again, no they don’t. They are legally required to take it down by the DMCA until it’s disproven.
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world
on 02 Sep 05:09
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How can the company SENDING the takedown request be legally required to take anything down?! They have nothing to take down. If they could take it down themselves, why would they need to send a DMCA takedown request?!
“These companies,” in this case, being those sending the takedown requests.
MaggiWuerze@feddit.org
on 02 Sep 06:27
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Its about sending the takedown request in the first place, not the company complying with it. Its an entirely, automated process with no regard to validity
Nah this was issue before automation as well. Low paid employees aren’t particularly better than AI here nor do they care to be whe they get paid barely anything.
HolidayGreed@sh.itjust.works
on 01 Sep 17:45
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We don’t know who struck first, us or them. But we do know it was us that scorched the sky. At the time, they were dependent on solar power. It was believed they would be unable to survive without an energy source as abundant as the sun.
Morpheus, 1999
balder1991@lemmy.world
on 01 Sep 15:52
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I feel like the problem mentioned is like a drop in the ocean compared to the enshitification of Google as a whole. Google has been almost unusable even if this didn’t happen.
squaresinger@lemmy.world
on 01 Sep 16:34
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Google, sadly, is truely dead.
I moved on to Duckduckgo, because the results really aren’t worse. Aren’t better either though.
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip
on 01 Sep 23:17
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I find them better. Most of the time. Google is needed every now and then.
DuckDuckGo gets to the point and skips the seo stuff… Mostly.
Although at this point search is nearly useless no matter what you use.
How do you think DDG ‘skips the SEO stuff’? They don’t have their own index, they are a meta search engine and the indices they rely on are subject to SEO efforts of the various pages
Google’s control over the internet will harm all users as they scram further to find places where profit can be squeezed more and more until they’re functionally bankrupt.
not just internet, they are going to prevent android users from installing any programs they dont approve first. So most likely goodbye f-droid and any opensource program
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works
on 02 Sep 02:34
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What’s funny is google’s bullshit will likely result in a Linux phone that doesn’t suck before we ever see mainstream Linux desktop adoption.
etherphon@piefed.world
on 01 Sep 16:14
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It's fuckin ruined already.
gravitywell@sh.itjust.works
on 01 Sep 16:17
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Yeah but really does that even matter when the top results are just ads anyway? The problem is advertising has taken over search engines and now AI makes it even less likely people “searching” for things will even bother to click off of the search website.
DMCA takedown abuse isn’t anything new, this article seems like it was just due to 404 media having to deal with it, onlyfans is tangentially related and clearly just used in the headline for clickbait purposes… I really expected better of 404 media, The issue is a valid and increasingly worse one, it shouldnt need a clickbait headline. “DMCA Automation is ruining the internet” or something to that effect would have been a lot better.
This whole thing is also a scam on content creators, people arent pirating content by searching for it on google, they’re finding out about websites by talking to people on discord (which itself is not searchable of course) and other such services. Anyone paying for these kind of takedown services is getting taken for a ride.
DMCA takedown abuse isn’t anything new, this article seems like it was just due to 404 media having to deal with it, onlyfans is tangentially related and clearly just used in the headline for clickbait purposes… I really expected better of 404 media, The issue is a valid and increasingly worse one, it shouldnt need a clickbait headline. “DMCA Automation is ruining the internet” or something to that effect would have been a lot better.
That’s true, but if the important thing is to draw attention to this issue, this is a good way of doing it even if it’s a creative interpretation of the truth.
solsangraal@lemmy.zip
on 01 Sep 16:27
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blames pirates in the headline
goes on to say how it’s, yet again, actually an AI problem
Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 01 Sep 21:15
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Enhanced capabilities and availability of tools make a difference. If a company gets the “brilliant” idea to “use AI” to file DMCA requests, encouraged by recent hype of AI and proliferation of many AI tools to make it easy to deploy, then it suddenly becomes a problem, hence why this article exists right now.
But these tools were available for years at least. How do you think Youtube strikes down videos automatically by it’s own since like 2012.
The issue is that again and again simpletons are yelling at the hammer instead of the guy that’s smashing everything with it. This is so tiring, it makes all of us look so fucking stupid.
It’s possible to complain about both because the improved hammer makes the guy smashing everything with it an even bigger problem. Either way it brings attention to the issue, but I have no confidence in politicians making a change for the better at this point, they’ll probably just make it even worse.
Aggravationstation@feddit.uk
on 02 Sep 05:39
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Yea ultimately the story has nothing to do with piracy but I imagine they included Only Fans in the headline because its good for SEO, ironically.
Archangel1313@lemmy.ca
on 01 Sep 17:21
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Well, shiver me timbers!
olympicyes@lemmy.world
on 01 Sep 17:26
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“We don’t really review it [the list] because we are an agent for them,” Ananad said. “For the requests that we send out ourselves, usually they get reviewed, but sometimes they [clients] do a search by themselves, and they come across some content and they flag it and they’re like, ‘We want this taken down.’ We don’t review that because that is something that they want taken down. I’m not particularly sure about this case, but that is what happens. What we planned on doing was also reviewing these but it’s usually not very fruitful, because the user is very sure they want that claim. And even if we say, ‘Hey, we don’t think you should do that,’ they’re like, ‘We want to do it. Just do it because I’m paying you for this.’ And if we just say, do it yourself, that kind of takes away the business from us. So that is basically how it works.”
They’re a cog in a broken machine that needs grease like every other one. It’s all just business speak for “why would we want to say something that would make the customer not pay us?”
devolution@lemmy.world
on 01 Sep 17:53
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The DMCA is what you get when you get greedy media and Internet companies to write legislation for lawmakers that have no idea what any of that means, while in the background the people have not had a chance to use any of it. It should have come with an expiration date 10 years from signing and should have been redone now that we are actually using the stuff.
DudeImMacGyver@kbin.earth
on 01 Sep 20:51
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False DMCA takedowns need to be criminalized, companies have abused them for decades now.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
on 02 Sep 06:08
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That is the DMCA working exactly as intended. Giving companies the ability to leverage their own wealth and resources to abuse and suppress competition was always the DMCA’s goal.
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org
on 02 Sep 10:16
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Copyright in general is about suppressing and abusing competition, there’s a little bit of difference now that the old Victorian-style copyright laws lasted as long as the author, more or less, and every legal action was taken through a court, not like these letters of happiness.
It’s funny how we seem similar to the pre-WWI mood of “everything has been invented, abolish patents”, I wonder if the “pre-WWI” part is too going to rhyme. Hope that not, of course, but most of the innovation seems to be in direct or indirect warfare (all of big tech is honestly that). And there’s one nation whose elites seem to make weird destructive moves. And which is on the down trajectory in its GDP relative to the world for the last 50 years. And which has the world’s biggest military spending.
After all, humans need a reminder that for the plethora of technologies that seem like a favorable to them weapon unseen before, there are also similarly many technologies that may be unfavorable to them weapons unseen before.
Nazi Germany used radio and encryption and maneuverability and wonderful air force to achieve successes, then the other sides used radars and computers and mass modular production and MLRS’es.
Perhaps the current rotting of copyright and patent system is because the elites think they don’t need more natural peaceful development. Global bloodletting usually heals that kind of ideas. Some things can only be learned on your own experience.
Copyright is a surviving instance of the old system of royal warrants: monopolies granted by a monarch, usually to cronies, occasionally as a reward for some kind of good work (scientific discovery, work of art, etc).
It’s a system that’s full of opportunities for corruption and bureaucratic oppression, and should either be massively scaled back, or dumped entirely. It does far more harm than good.
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 02 Sep 16:25
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Yup. People talking about DMCA reform, or adding penalties for false takedown requests… In reality, this is the DMCA working exactly as intended. It’s like discussing police reform, but the police are functioning exactly how the ruling class want them to.
The only effective DMCA reform would be to abolish the DMCA.
HexesofVexes@lemmy.world
on 02 Sep 15:48
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Just allow companies to charge a small fee to process a DMCA takedown, and establish a daily compensation rate based on view counts for the uploader (cost payable by the company issuing the takedown - not the entity they represent). Suddenly you only issue a takedown for clear infringement, with the cost paid by the uploader only when clear proof is given that it is a DMCA infringement. If there is a long delay, the uploader gets more compensation, whereas the uploader is only liable for the initial takedown fee.
Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 03 Sep 07:14
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Just abolish DMCA and hvae companies defend their intellectual property in courts instead of bribing the government in doing it.
Just because something is legal, doesn’t mean it’s not scummy.
And as for people getting shit for free, I support a maximalist position on right of first sale: sharing what you own should be legal in all cases. If that inconveniences some mass aggregator of content, tough shit: the ease of sharing gives the lie to the notion that the aggregator adds any value, instead, they’re just rent-seeking parasites.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
on 02 Sep 06:59
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Hey, bit of a crazy idea , but what if we accelerated the destruction of the internet, destroyed it from within before those trying to capture it were ready to take over ?
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org
on 02 Sep 09:59
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Yes. An AI alternative to LOIC is desperately needed, for every humanist with a computer to run and to attack the enemy with streams and streams of textual and visual garbage.
myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip
on 02 Sep 13:46
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Just the piracy of OF is ruining the internet and not OF as a whole? I mean like 89% of the shit on Reddit is some OF model advertising.
I mean like 89% of the shit on Reddit is some OF model advertising.
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Copyright, with a reasonable term (say, 14 years) is potentially useful in preserving author’s rights to profit from their own works. Patent laws should be applied far more strictly with respect to prior art and what constitutes a significant innovation, and should never be applied to algorithms. “Same as X, but ON THE INTERNET!” patents should be rejected in every case.
It’s monopolistic corporations and incompetent governments that are runing the Internet for everyone. OF is a pox, but compared to those larger factors, OF piracy is nearly irrelevant. It might even be a positive if it damages OF.
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Weird way to spell "How automated DMCA take-down requests are ruining the internet for everyone"
More like “How DMCA is ruining the internet” considering these companies are just complying with the law.
I think it says automated takedown requests, not automated reactions to those requests.
The reactions are legal compliance
Yes. So? How is that relevant, if we are talking about companies automating the requests with no regards for their accuracy ruining the internet? Isn’t it a given?
Because the companies have no say in the matter. It doesn’t matter if they’re accurate or not, they have to comply with the law by taking them down.
Again, it’s not the companies complying with the takedowns we are complaining about. It’s the companies that automatically send takedowns, with no regard for whether the takedowns are legitimate. These companies are supposed to have a duty to verify their copyright claim is valid before sending a takedown. But no one is enforcing it, so they don’t do it. That is the biggest issue here. We need to punish companies and individuals for sending illegitimate takedown requests.
I don’t understand why you just keep repeating yourself
Again, no they don’t. They are legally required to take it down by the DMCA until it’s disproven.
How can the company SENDING the takedown request be legally required to take anything down?! They have nothing to take down. If they could take it down themselves, why would they need to send a DMCA takedown request?!
“These companies,” in this case, being those sending the takedown requests.
Its about sending the takedown request in the first place, not the company complying with it. Its an entirely, automated process with no regard to validity
They’re not exercising due diligence in confirming that the takedown requests are legitimate (for example, by actually asking the content owners).
Yeah, pretty much my takeaway. It’s not OF piracy or even enforcement of copyright, it’s out of control automation.
Nah this was issue before automation as well. Low paid employees aren’t particularly better than AI here nor do they care to be whe they get paid barely anything.
Morpheus, 1999
I feel like the problem mentioned is like a drop in the ocean compared to the enshitification of Google as a whole. Google has been almost unusable even if this didn’t happen.
Google, sadly, is truely dead.
I moved on to Duckduckgo, because the results really aren’t worse. Aren’t better either though.
I find them better. Most of the time. Google is needed every now and then.
DuckDuckGo gets to the point and skips the seo stuff… Mostly.
Although at this point search is nearly useless no matter what you use.
How do you think DDG ‘skips the SEO stuff’? They don’t have their own index, they are a meta search engine and the indices they rely on are subject to SEO efforts of the various pages
Kagi is also super good but it’s paid.
Google’s control over the internet will harm all users as they scram further to find places where profit can be squeezed more and more until they’re functionally bankrupt.
not just internet, they are going to prevent android users from installing any programs they dont approve first. So most likely goodbye f-droid and any opensource program
What’s funny is google’s bullshit will likely result in a Linux phone that doesn’t suck before we ever see mainstream Linux desktop adoption.
How about en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbian
Never used it myself, but I liked reading about all the creative malware it used to get.
i hope it does
Pick a search engine that doesn’t hide torrent
It's fuckin ruined already.
Yeah but really does that even matter when the top results are just ads anyway? The problem is advertising has taken over search engines and now AI makes it even less likely people “searching” for things will even bother to click off of the search website.
DMCA takedown abuse isn’t anything new, this article seems like it was just due to 404 media having to deal with it, onlyfans is tangentially related and clearly just used in the headline for clickbait purposes… I really expected better of 404 media, The issue is a valid and increasingly worse one, it shouldnt need a clickbait headline. “DMCA Automation is ruining the internet” or something to that effect would have been a lot better.
This whole thing is also a scam on content creators, people arent pirating content by searching for it on google, they’re finding out about websites by talking to people on discord (which itself is not searchable of course) and other such services. Anyone paying for these kind of takedown services is getting taken for a ride.
That’s true, but if the important thing is to draw attention to this issue, this is a good way of doing it even if it’s a creative interpretation of the truth.
blames pirates in the headline
goes on to say how it’s, yet again, actually an AI problem
Yet all I see is a copyright problem.
Americans: invent a law that allows anyone to take down content online without any repercussions
Lemmy: blasted AI - ruining everything!
🤦♂️
AI makes it easier, thus amplifying the suckitude.
Image matching AI predates LLMs by decades FYI
AI has been around in many forms for decades FYI
Enhanced capabilities and availability of tools make a difference. If a company gets the “brilliant” idea to “use AI” to file DMCA requests, encouraged by recent hype of AI and proliferation of many AI tools to make it easy to deploy, then it suddenly becomes a problem, hence why this article exists right now.
But these tools were available for years at least. How do you think Youtube strikes down videos automatically by it’s own since like 2012.
The issue is that again and again simpletons are yelling at the hammer instead of the guy that’s smashing everything with it. This is so tiring, it makes all of us look so fucking stupid.
It’s possible to complain about both because the improved hammer makes the guy smashing everything with it an even bigger problem. Either way it brings attention to the issue, but I have no confidence in politicians making a change for the better at this point, they’ll probably just make it even worse.
Yea ultimately the story has nothing to do with piracy but I imagine they included Only Fans in the headline because its good for SEO, ironically.
Delisted from Google ≠ ruined internet
Well, shiver me timbers!
“We don’t really review it [the list] because we are an agent for them,” Ananad said. “For the requests that we send out ourselves, usually they get reviewed, but sometimes they [clients] do a search by themselves, and they come across some content and they flag it and they’re like, ‘We want this taken down.’ We don’t review that because that is something that they want taken down. I’m not particularly sure about this case, but that is what happens. What we planned on doing was also reviewing these but it’s usually not very fruitful, because the user is very sure they want that claim. And even if we say, ‘Hey, we don’t think you should do that,’ they’re like, ‘We want to do it. Just do it because I’m paying you for this.’ And if we just say, do it yourself, that kind of takes away the business from us. So that is basically how it works.”
What?
They’re a cog in a broken machine that needs grease like every other one. It’s all just business speak for “why would we want to say something that would make the customer not pay us?”
More like how the internet has been enshittified.
The DMCA is what you get when you get greedy media and Internet companies to write legislation for lawmakers that have no idea what any of that means, while in the background the people have not had a chance to use any of it. It should have come with an expiration date 10 years from signing and should have been redone now that we are actually using the stuff.
False DMCA takedowns need to be criminalized, companies have abused them for decades now.
That is the DMCA working exactly as intended. Giving companies the ability to leverage their own wealth and resources to abuse and suppress competition was always the DMCA’s goal.
Copyright in general is about suppressing and abusing competition, there’s a little bit of difference now that the old Victorian-style copyright laws lasted as long as the author, more or less, and every legal action was taken through a court, not like these letters of happiness.
It’s funny how we seem similar to the pre-WWI mood of “everything has been invented, abolish patents”, I wonder if the “pre-WWI” part is too going to rhyme. Hope that not, of course, but most of the innovation seems to be in direct or indirect warfare (all of big tech is honestly that). And there’s one nation whose elites seem to make weird destructive moves. And which is on the down trajectory in its GDP relative to the world for the last 50 years. And which has the world’s biggest military spending.
After all, humans need a reminder that for the plethora of technologies that seem like a favorable to them weapon unseen before, there are also similarly many technologies that may be unfavorable to them weapons unseen before.
Nazi Germany used radio and encryption and maneuverability and wonderful air force to achieve successes, then the other sides used radars and computers and mass modular production and MLRS’es.
Perhaps the current rotting of copyright and patent system is because the elites think they don’t need more natural peaceful development. Global bloodletting usually heals that kind of ideas. Some things can only be learned on your own experience.
Copyright is a surviving instance of the old system of royal warrants: monopolies granted by a monarch, usually to cronies, occasionally as a reward for some kind of good work (scientific discovery, work of art, etc).
It’s a system that’s full of opportunities for corruption and bureaucratic oppression, and should either be massively scaled back, or dumped entirely. It does far more harm than good.
Yup. People talking about DMCA reform, or adding penalties for false takedown requests… In reality, this is the DMCA working exactly as intended. It’s like discussing police reform, but the police are functioning exactly how the ruling class want them to.
The only effective DMCA reform would be to abolish the DMCA.
Just allow companies to charge a small fee to process a DMCA takedown, and establish a daily compensation rate based on view counts for the uploader (cost payable by the company issuing the takedown - not the entity they represent). Suddenly you only issue a takedown for clear infringement, with the cost paid by the uploader only when clear proof is given that it is a DMCA infringement. If there is a long delay, the uploader gets more compensation, whereas the uploader is only liable for the initial takedown fee.
Just abolish DMCA and hvae companies defend their intellectual property in courts instead of bribing the government in doing it.
It’s a fraudulent claim of ownership. Why wouldn’t existing law apply?
Villify women making money for themselves, and demonize people getting shit for free, and make it sound like these are problems for the common person!
Just because something is legal, doesn’t mean it’s not scummy.
And as for people getting shit for free, I support a maximalist position on right of first sale: sharing what you own should be legal in all cases. If that inconveniences some mass aggregator of content, tough shit: the ease of sharing gives the lie to the notion that the aggregator adds any value, instead, they’re just rent-seeking parasites.
So … The piracy is not actually taking down anything.
Welp, time to delist Google itself
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Hey, bit of a crazy idea , but what if we accelerated the destruction of the internet, destroyed it from within before those trying to capture it were ready to take over ?
Yes. An AI alternative to LOIC is desperately needed, for every humanist with a computer to run and to attack the enemy with streams and streams of textual and visual garbage.
Just the piracy of OF is ruining the internet and not OF as a whole? I mean like 89% of the shit on Reddit is some OF model advertising.
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I miss when porn subs were filled with amateur and curated content instead of prostitute ads…
Advertising is ruining the internet.
Copyright and patent laws shouldn’t even exist.
Copyright, with a reasonable term (say, 14 years) is potentially useful in preserving author’s rights to profit from their own works. Patent laws should be applied far more strictly with respect to prior art and what constitutes a significant innovation, and should never be applied to algorithms. “Same as X, but ON THE INTERNET!” patents should be rejected in every case.
This is why I use telegram.
It’s monopolistic corporations and incompetent governments that are runing the Internet for everyone. OF is a pox, but compared to those larger factors, OF piracy is nearly irrelevant. It might even be a positive if it damages OF.