Good is shortsighted. It will be here too eventually. Fuck Facebook, but hopefully we don’t build a weapon that’ll hurt us all, though in fully aware we have and are.
It is already here, half of the article thumbnails are already AI generated.
Buelldozer@lemmy.today
on 19 Dec 2023 00:10
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Yep, Lemmy is littered with AI art just like everywhere else and if people notice they sure aren’t saying anything.
agimus@startrek.website
on 19 Dec 2023 10:35
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Yeah, but these are accompanying text posts to give a visual. Thats different from using AI to copy art of people and flood the social media feeds. That I have not seen here yet.
RememberTheApollo@lemmy.world
on 18 Dec 2023 17:16
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From post-truth to post-reality in just a few years. SMH.
ThePantser@lemmy.world
on 18 Dec 2023 17:46
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People are stupid. Pics or it didn’t happen is gonna have to be replaced.
Sanctus@lemmy.world
on 18 Dec 2023 17:49
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Fake political candidates incoming
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
on 18 Dec 2023 19:50
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I mean my mom has been fooled by this sort of thing on email chains for over a decade.
A lot of people just want to believe this kind of stuff.
ElectricCattleman@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 10:18
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Yeah, AI is a new twist here but the concept of misrepresenting images and stories for attention is ageless.
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 18 Dec 2023 20:21
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uh shit gotta get your mom’s out of that with mental outlaw reposts
Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de
on 18 Dec 2023 20:37
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Reality is dead.
Or maybe it’s still alive somewhere, but nobody can find or identify it anymore.
jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
on 18 Dec 2023 20:41
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Who’s still using facebook? Oh. Morons. The people least capable of responding well to fake posts.
Etienne_Dahu@jlai.lu
on 18 Dec 2023 22:18
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It’s the normie trap. We made the mistake of letting normies in on our Internet and now we try to contain them on Facebook because they have ruined the Internet.
andyburke@fedia.io
on 19 Dec 2023 00:58
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Too few people realize this is actually the source of all the world's current problems. We never, ever should have let the normies on here.
Meowoem@sh.itjust.works
on 19 Dec 2023 04:28
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They were even worse before the internet, it’s hard to deal with but this isn’t even close to as bad as humanity has been.
SoleInvictus@lemmy.world
on 19 Dec 2023 08:16
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Why do you think they were worse before?
It seems like the Internet has allowed them to band together to reinforce and validate each other’s stupidity. I think they’re far bolder than before but I’m willing to change my mind.
Meowoem@sh.itjust.works
on 19 Dec 2023 13:56
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Well mostly it comes from my memories of going to the pub before internet adoption was wide spread, Idiots were always the majority but you couldn’t prove them wrong and it was difficult to find anyone that would dare express anything but the dumbest groupthink opinion. Like even as late as the start of the Iraq war the level of discourse was unimaginably dumb even compared to your average Facebook group today.
slumberlust@lemmy.world
on 19 Dec 2023 12:20
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It’s kinda strange, the Eternal September was before my time and now we have whole generations of even tech-affine people who never heard of usenet. Which btw just like email pre-dates the internet.
Email predates WWW, it’s fuzzier to determine if email is older than packet routed internet because both standards evolved in parallel so you have to pick and choose what counts on each end. First use of @ or creation of SMTP? First network with 3+ organizations or creation of TCP?
I’d actually date it back to UUCP and BBSes exchanging batches of messages once a day or so. The days of routing by bang path.
lolcatnip@reddthat.com
on 19 Dec 2023 19:26
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Ah yes, there’s always someone shocked to find that there are actual users of a site that has been growing continuously for 15 years and reports over 3 billion MAU.
You have 3 billion braincells that all tell you he is right though
lolcatnip@reddthat.com
on 20 Dec 2023 05:35
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You’re a mind reader now?
Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca
on 18 Dec 2023 22:36
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Does the entire west coast of the US run on Facebook too? ‘Cuz that was a big unwelcome surprise when I moved to BC.
Sorgan71@lemmy.world
on 19 Dec 2023 02:55
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its not stolen, its AI generated.
Chetzemoka@startrek.website
on 19 Dec 2023 03:20
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AI trained on plagiarized art created by real humans who were not compensated for work that AI companies are now making money on.
Aka stealing
Sorgan71@lemmy.world
on 19 Dec 2023 03:33
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Its not plagarism. Its not stealing either. Its training. The only artists who complain about this dont care about making art and are only concerned about making money.
Chetzemoka@startrek.website
on 19 Dec 2023 04:05
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The kool-aid is laced, kid. You should put it down.
SoleInvictus@lemmy.world
on 19 Dec 2023 08:14
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It’s always helpful when someone shows us their entire ass like this.
Plavatos@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Dec 2023 03:27
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When a robot replaces your job (or perhaps your friends or family) and you/they lose their way of earning money will your argument remain the same?
If AI/robots could give us the utopia from sci-fi books it’d be grand and I’d be inclined to agree with you. But they aren’t, no one is getting early retirement because a robot replaced them in a factory and artists aren’t getting residuals from the derivatives these “trainings” are creating. It’s theft, outright, and the thieves are trying to make money off these originals.
BlueEther@no.lastname.nz
on 19 Dec 2023 04:13
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it’s worse than that, the article talks about img2img using AI. so these click farms are ripping real images and using that as the img2img prompt
Nope they mean someone generated it then others stole it and are reusing it
BlueEther@no.lastname.nz
on 19 Dec 2023 04:13
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it’s worse than that, the article talks about img2img using AI. so these click farms are ripping real images and using that as the img2img prompt
Sorgan71@lemmy.world
on 19 Dec 2023 04:33
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So? its not stealing.
BlueEther@no.lastname.nz
on 19 Dec 2023 07:29
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They are taking an artist work and reproducing it - changed slightly. If you did that to a Disney work (AI or not) would they consider it copyright or fair use?
rifugee@lemmy.world
on 19 Dec 2023 10:22
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Depends on what you are using it for.
“The general fair use definition is that fair use is any use of a work that is not done in an effort to profit from the copyrighted work.”
Disney considering it one way or the other doesn’t mean anything, legally speaking. It’s not so much about “used a reference” – you can take a movie still-frame and make an oil painting of it and it’ll be your work. It’s about that how the spammers use AI doesn’t have sufficient artistic intent, sweat of the brow, whatever your local standard is, to actually give you copyright over its output, as such it’s as if you had simply photocopied the thing. It certainly is possible to use AI in a way that gives you copyright over its output, even with img2img, but those people ain’t doing it. It’s also possible to photocopy that still-frame in a way that gives you copyright, e.g. if you collage and otherwise transform it in an artistic manner.
General_Effort@lemmy.world
on 19 Dec 2023 15:53
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you can take a movie still-frame and make an oil painting of it and it’ll be your work.
Maybe but not usually. This is making a derivative work. Derivative have their own copyright, but permission of the original owner is required to make them. In US terms, it might be fair use, if the painter wants to, say, make an artistic statement about consumer culture. EG Mickey Mouse has shown up in South Park episodes for the purpose of satire. That’s fine.
Whether the OP describes infringement is doubtful to me. No one owns the right to make pictures of EG people next to wooden dogs. On its face, there is no infringement.
Mickey Mouse and various other Disney stuff is trademarked which is a whole another can of worms.
lolcatnip@reddthat.com
on 19 Dec 2023 19:22
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OTOH, if there’s nothing deeper behind the painting, then it’s just unlicensed merch. EG, Disney has come down on day care centers for using their IP.
I’m not sure if it affects your larger point, but I suspect the problem with day care centers is not that they’re copying a specific work, but that they’re using characters that Disney owns.
Natanael@slrpnk.net
on 19 Dec 2023 20:05
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There’s no difference from s copyright perspective
General_Effort@lemmy.world
on 19 Dec 2023 23:35
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True, I chose a very bad example there and muddied the waters.
Normally, trademarks aren’t so bad, relatively speaking. As long as there’s no confusion about who is responsible for the product, and there’s no defamation, you should be able to use those pretty freely. When “trademark dilution” comes into play, it can get onerous, though.
Dual copyright is a thing, if your work is not sufficiently transformative (for example if you retain enough substantial original features that it’s clearly recognizable) then it can be infringing if the original even if your changes is under your copyright.
teichflamme@lemm.ee
on 19 Dec 2023 16:12
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Good. Fuck everything about Facebook and their advertising empire. Let it burn.
Hmm. On second thought, I’ll fire up A1111 and start making fakes to fuel the fire.
Good is shortsighted. It will be here too eventually. Fuck Facebook, but hopefully we don’t build a weapon that’ll hurt us all, though in fully aware we have and are.
It is already here, half of the article thumbnails are already AI generated.
Yep, Lemmy is littered with AI art just like everywhere else and if people notice they sure aren’t saying anything.
Yeah, but these are accompanying text posts to give a visual. Thats different from using AI to copy art of people and flood the social media feeds. That I have not seen here yet.
I notice and I think it’s great
From post-truth to post-reality in just a few years. SMH.
People are stupid. Pics or it didn’t happen is gonna have to be replaced.
Fake political candidates incoming
I mean my mom has been fooled by this sort of thing on email chains for over a decade.
A lot of people just want to believe this kind of stuff.
Yeah, AI is a new twist here but the concept of misrepresenting images and stories for attention is ageless.
uh shit gotta get your mom’s out of that with mental outlaw reposts
Reality is dead.
Or maybe it’s still alive somewhere, but nobody can find or identify it anymore.
Who’s still using facebook? Oh. Morons. The people least capable of responding well to fake posts.
It’s the normie trap. We made the mistake of letting normies in on our Internet and now we try to contain them on Facebook because they have ruined the Internet.
Too few people realize this is actually the source of all the world's current problems. We never, ever should have let the normies on here.
They were even worse before the internet, it’s hard to deal with but this isn’t even close to as bad as humanity has been.
Why do you think they were worse before?
It seems like the Internet has allowed them to band together to reinforce and validate each other’s stupidity. I think they’re far bolder than before but I’m willing to change my mind.
Well mostly it comes from my memories of going to the pub before internet adoption was wide spread, Idiots were always the majority but you couldn’t prove them wrong and it was difficult to find anyone that would dare express anything but the dumbest groupthink opinion. Like even as late as the start of the Iraq war the level of discourse was unimaginably dumb even compared to your average Facebook group today.
Eternal September
It’s kinda strange, the Eternal September was before my time and now we have whole generations of even tech-affine people who never heard of usenet. Which btw just like email pre-dates the internet.
Email predates WWW, it’s fuzzier to determine if email is older than packet routed internet because both standards evolved in parallel so you have to pick and choose what counts on each end. First use of @ or creation of SMTP? First network with 3+ organizations or creation of TCP?
I’d actually date it back to UUCP and BBSes exchanging batches of messages once a day or so. The days of routing by bang path.
Ah yes, there’s always someone shocked to find that there are actual users of a site that has been growing continuously for 15 years and reports over 3 billion MAU.
Your social circle is not the world.
You have 3 billion braincells that all tell you he is right though
You’re a mind reader now?
Does the entire west coast of the US run on Facebook too? ‘Cuz that was a big unwelcome surprise when I moved to BC.
its not stolen, its AI generated.
AI trained on plagiarized art created by real humans who were not compensated for work that AI companies are now making money on.
Aka stealing
Its not plagarism. Its not stealing either. Its training. The only artists who complain about this dont care about making art and are only concerned about making money.
The kool-aid is laced, kid. You should put it down.
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It’s always helpful when someone shows us their entire ass like this.
When a robot replaces your job (or perhaps your friends or family) and you/they lose their way of earning money will your argument remain the same?
If AI/robots could give us the utopia from sci-fi books it’d be grand and I’d be inclined to agree with you. But they aren’t, no one is getting early retirement because a robot replaced them in a factory and artists aren’t getting residuals from the derivatives these “trainings” are creating. It’s theft, outright, and the thieves are trying to make money off these originals.
it’s worse than that, the article talks about img2img using AI. so these click farms are ripping real images and using that as the img2img prompt
Nope they mean someone generated it then others stole it and are reusing it
it’s worse than that, the article talks about img2img using AI. so these click farms are ripping real images and using that as the img2img prompt
So? its not stealing.
They are taking an artist work and reproducing it - changed slightly. If you did that to a Disney work (AI or not) would they consider it copyright or fair use?
Depends on what you are using it for.
“The general fair use definition is that fair use is any use of a work that is not done in an effort to profit from the copyrighted work.”
Source
AI companies are most certainly making an effort to profit from the content they’re deriving from copyrighted works.
That’s not sufficient alone
Disney considering it one way or the other doesn’t mean anything, legally speaking. It’s not so much about “used a reference” – you can take a movie still-frame and make an oil painting of it and it’ll be your work. It’s about that how the spammers use AI doesn’t have sufficient artistic intent, sweat of the brow, whatever your local standard is, to actually give you copyright over its output, as such it’s as if you had simply photocopied the thing. It certainly is possible to use AI in a way that gives you copyright over its output, even with img2img, but those people ain’t doing it. It’s also possible to photocopy that still-frame in a way that gives you copyright, e.g. if you collage and otherwise transform it in an artistic manner.
Maybe but not usually. This is making a derivative work. Derivative have their own copyright, but permission of the original owner is required to make them. In US terms, it might be fair use, if the painter wants to, say, make an artistic statement about consumer culture. EG Mickey Mouse has shown up in South Park episodes for the purpose of satire. That’s fine.
OTOH, if there’s nothing deeper behind the painting, then it’s just unlicensed merch. EG, Disney has come down on day care centers for using their IP.
Whether the OP describes infringement is doubtful to me. No one owns the right to make pictures of EG people next to wooden dogs. On its face, there is no infringement.
Mickey Mouse and various other Disney stuff is trademarked which is a whole another can of worms.
I’m not sure if it affects your larger point, but I suspect the problem with day care centers is not that they’re copying a specific work, but that they’re using characters that Disney owns.
There’s no difference from s copyright perspective
True, I chose a very bad example there and muddied the waters.
Normally, trademarks aren’t so bad, relatively speaking. As long as there’s no confusion about who is responsible for the product, and there’s no defamation, you should be able to use those pretty freely. When “trademark dilution” comes into play, it can get onerous, though.
Dual copyright is a thing, if your work is not sufficiently transformative (for example if you retain enough substantial original features that it’s clearly recognizable) then it can be infringing if the original even if your changes is under your copyright.
There’s a lot of whiny “artists” on Lemmy lmao
It’s not stolen, it’s ‘stolen’.
It is “stollen” and filled with marzipan
Lemmys future if Threads is federated.
I mean maybe! Legitimately worrying.
Let’s just agree that everything is fake now. I’m not sure I’m real.
That is a funny joke fellow human.
Plot twist: comments are AI-generated too
That’s way overkill. Just Markov chain it.
What about the news article about the AI-generated comments about AI-generated images? Surely we can’t stop there.
Welcome to the future.
Bots creating content for the enjoyment of other bots, while advertisers pay for it.