I’m already asking, no one listens to the people anyway
MagicShel@lemmy.zip
on 16 May 2025 05:21
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For fucks sake people, it’s not hard. AI can be useful to generate drafts or give suggestions, but ultimately everything has to be tweaked/written by an actual human expert. AI is a tool, not a product. If something isn’t edited enough to have no trace of AI signature left, then you’re being lazy and putting out garbage.
neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 16 May 2025 08:08
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This is it exactly. I use ChatGPT to double check things when I’m second guessing myself and I use it to make assignments.
Almost everytime, I need to tweak things but it turns 40 minutes of work into 5-10 minutes.
Opinionhaver@feddit.uk
on 16 May 2025 08:21
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Time after time, I see people who should know better fail at basic things like this.
Even I don’t get called out for AI-written responses, even though a big number of my messages here are technically written by AI. The key difference is that I actually take the time to write a first draft of what I want to say, then run it through ChatGPT to help clean up my word salad - and finally, I go over the output again to make it sound like me. The thinking is mine. AI just helps me communicate more clearly.
I’d never ask it to write an entire response from scratch without providing structure or points I want to make. All I want is for the person reading my message to understand what I’m actually trying to say - so they can respond to that, not to a misinterpretation of what I was trying to say.
I’ll just leave that first draft here to illustrate my point:
Time after time I see people that should know better to fail at basic things like this.
Even I don’t get called out for AI responses even though a huge number of my messages posted here are technically written by AI. However, the difference here is that I actually took time to first write the first draft of what I want to say only then to give it for chatGPT to make sense of my word salad only for me to then go over it’s output to make it sound like me again. The thinking is done by me - AI only helps me to communicate more clearly. I’d never ask it to write the entire response from ground up without providing any structure and points about what I want to say. All I want is the person reading this message to get as clear of an understanding as possible of what I’m trying to say so that they can respond to that rather than to misintrepretation of what I was trying to say.
Deebster@infosec.pub
on 17 May 2025 00:47
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This is a great use of AI and it’s caught some small errors like the wrong its (which is one I find distracting when reading). The editing is light enough that it’s still your voice, just with extra punctuation and fewer typos.
Jhex@lemmy.world
on 16 May 2025 08:38
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it’s “hard” because every peddler of AI is pushing it exactly in the way you say, and I agree, is wrong
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works
on 16 May 2025 11:55
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“no trace” isn’t a necessary bar. You can learn business theory from a presentation including a 3 armed gargoyle without loss of information. Materials just need to be checked to be factual, which this seems to meet.
Mr Business Professor is probably one of the highest paid instructors in the college and his time is NOT well spent cruising the internet for PowerPoint images or formatting lecture materials. Frankly that’s not a good use of TA time either.
MagicShel@lemmy.zip
on 16 May 2025 12:57
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Sooner or later I’ll learn to caveat my AI comments to make clear I’m only talking about LLM/text-gen. I don’t personally care about image-gen. It’s garbage, but to quote Star Wars, sometimes “the garbage will do.”
Somewhat unrelated but I’ve never understood why business professors make so much more than others. I get their logic of basing it off what they could be paid private side but business degrees tend to skew things due to how overpaid CEOs of larger corporations are.
I know at the university nearby the difference between someone with a phd in business admin versus genetics is… vast, to say the least.
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works
on 16 May 2025 14:41
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I wish I knew the answer. I know one person who took that path and he is not a super bright guy and I’m not sure what value he brings… but business PhD and then teaching position in the 600k range. I did a rocket science PhD and finally took an industry job after like 6 years running a lab for less than 100k, but my advisor was around 180k with full faculty.
400k was the salary of the university president, so… you add the rocket science faculty to the president and you get a faculty salary in the business school? It doesn’t make a lot of sense. I suppose maybe because MBA is a high demand degree? If you figure it out let me know, I’d also like to know the answer.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 16 May 2025 15:08
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I get their logic of basing it off what they could be paid private side
Then you get it. They pay what they need to in order to get the talent they need for the course. Business school is often more expensive than other disciplines because of the high salaries needed to attract talent and businesses schools get a lot of sponsors, so the school is being compensated for the high salaries.
In short, it’s supply and demand. It’s a lot cheaper to find a PhD in genetics vs a PhD in business who is willing to work at a university.
GraniteM@lemmy.world
on 17 May 2025 22:37
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Write a brief introductory paragraph on the subject of business theory as if you were a three-armed gargoyle teaching a first year college class on the subject.
Greetings, fledgling scholars! I am Professor Thraxxor, your three-armed guide to the mystic labyrinth of business theory—where spreadsheets whisper secrets and invisible hands tug at the fabric of markets. With one hand I’ll gesture toward classical economics, with another I’ll sketch diagrams of organizational behavior, and with the third—ah yes—that one’s just for throwing chalk at nappers. In this course, we’ll examine the ancient and evolving forces that govern commerce, from Adam Smith’s hallowed halls to the chaos of modern corporate strategy. Stay alert—capitalism waits for no one.
—via ChatGPT
blazeknave@lemmy.world
on 17 May 2025 00:43
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I think there’s a sweet spot you can hit, but sometimes I fight with it so long to get what I want, that by them, copy paste whatever is good enough… To be fair, I’m not an educator
finitebanjo@lemmy.world
on 17 May 2025 19:01
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It’s a tool whose only purpose is to lie and generate bullshit. We’re right to be upset when we find out we paid a human expert top fucking dollar to give us bullshit.
taxon@lemmy.world
on 16 May 2025 05:27
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Pheonixdown@lemm.ee
on 16 May 2025 06:23
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I’m currently doing an online Master’s with Northeastern. Honestly not surprised this happened, the quality of classes is WILD.
Taking 2 classes per term, and each term so far 1 class has been very well designed but also insanely easy, while the other has been so poorly implemented that the course learning materials don’t actually help you do the coursework.
Probably most astonishing so far though is a course I’m taking now just served me with the literally exact same assignment that I did for a course I just finished. Now, granted that both classes are from the elective course choices, so not everyone will take both, but come on… and they grill me about plagiarism with every submission I make…
FinalRemix@lemmy.world
on 16 May 2025 14:33
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I reuse assignments between similar classes, because maybe those classes share a learning objective and that assignment is just gangbusters.
In cases where students take both (which, we actively discourage because of the similarity of courses), I have my team require the students, for example, use a different person as their subjects for the two assignments.
This assignment is literally a fill in the blanks to complete a set of code to make it produce values expected by the assignment.
HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world
on 16 May 2025 06:43
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I had professor usi g worksheets watermarked by another professor at a college in another state, y’all think anything came of it? He also gave us all the answers to the tests in the form of self graded quizes and let us take them into tests.
HS diplomas became a joke, degrees are becoming a joke…
ToastedRavioli@midwest.social
on 16 May 2025 07:34
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As someone who was a TA a bit, I think that is 99% because if schools tried to hold students accountable to the standards of even ten years ago they would have to fail 2/3rds of their students.
Highschool becoming a joke means none of the kids have strong enough core skills to be tackling real college work by the time they get there, but schools cant afford to enforce actual quality standards for work. The graded model has completely fallen apart at this point given how steep the curve is. The quality of work that gets an A today would have been a B or high C from 10-15 years ago. Of course there is real A grade work being done too, but what defines an A grade has ballooned to a ridiculous degree such that most of it is not really A grade work
The problem isnt new, it was already bad 10 years ago to be honest. I had a professor in community college about 10 years ago who had been a professor at ASU, and she had quit teaching there specifically because the university wouldnt allow anyone to be graded below a C, regardless of if they did any work or not.
Most large public universities are just degree mills at this point, or bordering on it if not
You say that but I’ve had two classes this semester with an 70%+ fail rate. One of them probably needs addressed in the sense the professor was ass, but one was just straight up hard. They gave no fucks about failing over half the class. The pre-req for that class also had a 60% failure rate (based on who I see repeating it).
I don’t doubt some universities are degree mills, and ASU has always been known as a party school, but I assure you it’s not as widespread as some would believe based on my experiences at 3 universities.
That being said, the quality of student certainly seems to have dropped.
HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world
on 16 May 2025 15:38
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yeah, which is why where you get your degree sometimes matters but with all the standization, strictly speaking a AAEE-T from a shitty school counts just as much as any other school, even if the quality isn’t there.
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works
on 16 May 2025 12:00
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Was your grade exclusively based on the tests and quizzes? That’s the only part that’s questionable here.
Every prof need not write their own unique materials, rather they need to teach you the target material using whatever resources best suit that purpose.
HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world
on 16 May 2025 15:35
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Most of the grade was on the tests, I think 70% then like 30% on the “Lab” portion…which was basically attedance and if you turned something in, he didn’t check for accuracy. One of the worst professor at this college.
lefixxx@lemmy.world
on 16 May 2025 07:49
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Why do people not review their LLMs output?
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub
on 16 May 2025 09:54
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Well of course I do.
…Gemini, review this ChatGPT paragraph
vivendi@programming.dev
on 16 May 2025 11:28
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This is unironically a technique for catching LLM errors and also for speeding up generation.
For example in speculative decoding or mixture of experts architectures these kind of setups are used.
arafatknee@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 16 May 2025 08:19
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LLMs should augment your skills not substitute them. That’s just laziness or incompetence.
Or worst case scenario it means your job is replaceable.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
on 16 May 2025 14:40
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Agreed.
I’d be pissed too. This is sloppy as hell.
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works
on 16 May 2025 12:08
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As long as the materials are accurate and serve as an effective teaching aid, where’s the case?
It would be different if the sum total of course materials were wikipedia articles presented by a non expert, but the professor IS an expert. Sure, anyone can use genAI, BUT not anyone can write a relevant, targeted prompt and check the accuracy of the output. This is of course assuming the professor is generating (or at least vetting) materials for accuracy.
IF it turns out the student can find a pattern of inaccurate content there is a case. Otherwise there’s nothing: it would be like arguing that a TA made the materials (or the lecture materials came from a book written by SOMEONE ELSE gasp) and the professor presented them so the class is invalid.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 16 May 2025 15:03
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Exactly. Nobody should care how the professor generates materials for the class, they should only care that the materials are effective and accurate. That’s the professor’s job, and they should be free to use whatever tools they find helpful in producing effective, accurate materials.
Mistakes happen. I found a bunch of errors in my classes, and this was before AI was a thing. The information was accurate, but the presentation was poor.
miridius@lemmy.world
on 17 May 2025 15:48
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I think the key take away is that college is over rated, as you can easily find and create your own course materials on par with (or often better than) what the professors create
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works
on 17 May 2025 18:02
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Lol no. You absolutely cannot.
You can maybe make it look nicer, but your high school diploma and street cred does not an education make.
The neat thing about it is, if you think this way, it would be impossible to prove to you that you can’t do it yourself just as well. Without DOING it, you just don’t know how much you don’t know compared to a university faculty member. There are people who can go to the library (or Internet) and good will hunting an education, but I can basically guarantee that neither you nor anyone you know or will ever know is one of them.
miridius@lemmy.world
on 20 May 2025 05:17
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It probably depends on the specific field of study. My experience comes from software engineering
11111one11111@lemmy.world
on 16 May 2025 12:54
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“He’s telling us not to use it, and then he’s using it himself,”
Yeah it sucks but there is zero chance this argument holds any weight in court.
thann@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 16 May 2025 15:11
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Yeah, I had teachers change the rubric on the day of the final and even after and the deans at UCSB didnt care at all. Teachers can do just about anything under the guise of education…
Doom@ttrpg.network
on 17 May 2025 15:54
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Because the truth is they’re the ones deciding how to grade you and for the most part that’s not really “regulated”
The rubric is meant to be an outline of how they grade it so you understand how you got graded, it really isn’t supposed to show you how you will eventually be graded you know?
thann@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 May 2025 17:19
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This is whats wrong with the world, people will come out of the woods and defend the most batshit insane things…
Why would they need to change how the class is graded after you took the class? The asnwer is simply to fuck you out of money. There is no educational purpose, just a monetary one.
Just because its reguarly done does not mean it should be normalized.
What would you do if your boss said the purpose of your salary is not to show you how much you will make by the end of the year, but to motivate you to work, and then doesnt pay you for months of work… would you have the same naive outlook?
g0d0fm15ch13f@lemmy.world
on 17 May 2025 19:52
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There are some really good reasons to make changes, not trying to say that this was the case in the parent comment, but there are certainly cases where this makes sense. About halfway through my discrete math final my professor wrote a curve on the board based on exam results from the other test session. He realized that he hadn’t properly taught some concepts and he thought it would be unfair for us to suffer because of his mistakes. Should he have been forced to stick to a non curved exam because he hadn’t announced it in the rubric or to the first exam session?
thann@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 18 May 2025 06:17
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There definately good reasons to allow making judgement calls, but I wouldnt be complaining if that all they use that freedom for.
Most of the time if you asked for some exception they would allow you to drop the class without issue. So they wont break the rubric to make the class easier, but they will to make the class harder. And thats what I take issue with.
On one of my finals the professor said “you all did too well on the midterm, so I changed the final to be on meaningless details in the reading to test your comprehension and only your final grades matter” so we could fail despite learing everything we set out to learn.
I had an engineering ethics professor tell me I could I turn in the first assignment late on the second day of class, but after the final she said my grade was entirely dependant on the first assignment and it was late so I got zero points and failed the class. They have a quota of students to fail and they just pick people to fail and come up with bullshit after. They use their unchecked liberties to screw the students out of their money and nothing more in my experience.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
on 18 May 2025 20:17
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Though even in that case, the people in the class where the material wasn’t taught properly get a pass without necessarily understanding that material. On the one hand, it’s not fair for them to be punished for the prof’s mistake, but on the other hand, it’s not necessarily a good thing to give them credit for something they don’t know. It could hurt the credibility of the degree itself, similarly to the ones where you’ll get the diploma as long as you pay the bills.
People who hire the free pass people see they lack the skills despite having the paper saying they have them and stop hiring people with those credentials. It’s the same reason why cheating is dealt with so harshly.
The skills and knowledge are the whole point, not getting high marks or everything being fair. That said, it would be a difficult situation to deal with because being fair should still be a part of the equation, I just disagree about it being the most important part.
Another scenario for changing the rubric would be if the people running the course realized that something they thought was important for determining competence was actually trivial. This one could also be complex to handle fairly.
If you learned the information presented in class I’d assume how you’re graded doesn’t really matter. A grading rubric is nice to know but if you’re hedging everything on that and get twisted when it’s changed maybe you didn’t actually learn in the class?
thann@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 18 May 2025 14:52
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You might DM too much because you think youre the master of the universe. Im assuming you were homeschooled by flatearthers, and thats cool you had a good experiance but that doesnt mean other people didnt have bad ones.
What a dumb thing to say, petty, scared and weak like your little brain. Who doesn’t understand grading rubrics? Lmfao
You’re probably too stupid to write a simple paper without having specific guidelines, did mommy have to hold your hand throughout highschool? Probably if a simple grading rubric ruined your life lol
What a dummy.
mothersprotege@lemm.ee
on 17 May 2025 18:55
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Pretty good pizza at Woodstock’s, tho.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
on 17 May 2025 18:38
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The problem is that a student has a reasonable expectation of being taught by someone qualified and knowledgeable in the topic. If the professor is using AI, then that is a major breach of trust that brings into question the professor’s qualifications and whether you are actually getting the education you are paying for.
PattyMcB@lemmy.world
on 17 May 2025 21:47
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Not to mention the risk of plagiarism
mhague@lemmy.world
on 16 May 2025 13:01
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“He’s telling us not to use it, and then he’s using it himself”
Just because the teacher might have screwed up doesn’t change that experts in a subject can assess LLM output, while a student who knows jack shit about the topic can’t. Just because the teacher messed up and let ai weirdness degrade the quality of education in the eyes of students, doesn’t mean just anyone can use chatgpt to generate college courses.
I read the original article but not the interview. I wonder how much communication there was about the work before the student decided they deserved a refund.
frog_brawler@lemmy.world
on 17 May 2025 16:54
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Ya I mean, you could buy the teachers versions of textbooks on eBay in the late 1990s… pretty sure teachers didn’t want us using those.
miridius@lemmy.world
on 17 May 2025 15:45
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Holy crap… slashdot still exists??
skooma_king@lemm.ee
on 17 May 2025 16:44
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It’s still the same 10 users complaining about systemd
umbraroze@slrpnk.net
on 17 May 2025 20:02
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Oh crap, the last time I looked at Slashdot comments, systemd didn’t exist yet
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
on 17 May 2025 20:34
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Never forget, never forgive
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world
on 17 May 2025 21:52
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Hot grits
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
on 17 May 2025 19:09
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I checked it out again when reddit did their api fuckery. The progressives left and the libertarians are all that remain. I didn’t stick around long enough to get a better feel for the situation.
FriendBesto@lemmy.ml
on 17 May 2025 23:27
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Apparently, Digg may be coming back.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world
on 17 May 2025 21:04
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A while back I saw a post on Lemmy accusing ASU, who is publicly partnered with OpenAI, of trying to quietly replace advisors with chatbots.
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If I see a representative or senator using ChatGPT, could I demand that he resign from his position?
You could, but you would be pissing in the wind asking.
Isn’t the phrase meant to be “pissing into the wind”?
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I’m already asking, no one listens to the people anyway
For fucks sake people, it’s not hard. AI can be useful to generate drafts or give suggestions, but ultimately everything has to be tweaked/written by an actual human expert. AI is a tool, not a product. If something isn’t edited enough to have no trace of AI signature left, then you’re being lazy and putting out garbage.
This is it exactly. I use ChatGPT to double check things when I’m second guessing myself and I use it to make assignments.
Almost everytime, I need to tweak things but it turns 40 minutes of work into 5-10 minutes.
Time after time, I see people who should know better fail at basic things like this.
Even I don’t get called out for AI-written responses, even though a big number of my messages here are technically written by AI. The key difference is that I actually take the time to write a first draft of what I want to say, then run it through ChatGPT to help clean up my word salad - and finally, I go over the output again to make it sound like me. The thinking is mine. AI just helps me communicate more clearly.
I’d never ask it to write an entire response from scratch without providing structure or points I want to make. All I want is for the person reading my message to understand what I’m actually trying to say - so they can respond to that, not to a misinterpretation of what I was trying to say.
I’ll just leave that first draft here to illustrate my point:
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This is a great use of AI and it’s caught some small errors like the wrong its (which is one I find distracting when reading). The editing is light enough that it’s still your voice, just with extra punctuation and fewer typos.
it’s “hard” because every peddler of AI is pushing it exactly in the way you say, and I agree, is wrong
“no trace” isn’t a necessary bar. You can learn business theory from a presentation including a 3 armed gargoyle without loss of information. Materials just need to be checked to be factual, which this seems to meet.
Mr Business Professor is probably one of the highest paid instructors in the college and his time is NOT well spent cruising the internet for PowerPoint images or formatting lecture materials. Frankly that’s not a good use of TA time either.
Sooner or later I’ll learn to caveat my AI comments to make clear I’m only talking about LLM/text-gen. I don’t personally care about image-gen. It’s garbage, but to quote Star Wars, sometimes “the garbage will do.”
Somewhat unrelated but I’ve never understood why business professors make so much more than others. I get their logic of basing it off what they could be paid private side but business degrees tend to skew things due to how overpaid CEOs of larger corporations are.
I know at the university nearby the difference between someone with a phd in business admin versus genetics is… vast, to say the least.
I wish I knew the answer. I know one person who took that path and he is not a super bright guy and I’m not sure what value he brings… but business PhD and then teaching position in the 600k range. I did a rocket science PhD and finally took an industry job after like 6 years running a lab for less than 100k, but my advisor was around 180k with full faculty.
400k was the salary of the university president, so… you add the rocket science faculty to the president and you get a faculty salary in the business school? It doesn’t make a lot of sense. I suppose maybe because MBA is a high demand degree? If you figure it out let me know, I’d also like to know the answer.
Then you get it. They pay what they need to in order to get the talent they need for the course. Business school is often more expensive than other disciplines because of the high salaries needed to attract talent and businesses schools get a lot of sponsors, so the school is being compensated for the high salaries.
In short, it’s supply and demand. It’s a lot cheaper to find a PhD in genetics vs a PhD in business who is willing to work at a university.
Write a brief introductory paragraph on the subject of business theory as if you were a three-armed gargoyle teaching a first year college class on the subject.
—via ChatGPT
I think there’s a sweet spot you can hit, but sometimes I fight with it so long to get what I want, that by them, copy paste whatever is good enough… To be fair, I’m not an educator
It’s a tool whose only purpose is to lie and generate bullshit. We’re right to be upset when we find out we paid a human expert top fucking dollar to give us bullshit.
University turning from books to AI
I’m currently doing an online Master’s with Northeastern. Honestly not surprised this happened, the quality of classes is WILD.
Taking 2 classes per term, and each term so far 1 class has been very well designed but also insanely easy, while the other has been so poorly implemented that the course learning materials don’t actually help you do the coursework.
Probably most astonishing so far though is a course I’m taking now just served me with the literally exact same assignment that I did for a course I just finished. Now, granted that both classes are from the elective course choices, so not everyone will take both, but come on… and they grill me about plagiarism with every submission I make…
I reuse assignments between similar classes, because maybe those classes share a learning objective and that assignment is just gangbusters.
In cases where students take both (which, we actively discourage because of the similarity of courses), I have my team require the students, for example, use a different person as their subjects for the two assignments.
This assignment is literally a fill in the blanks to complete a set of code to make it produce values expected by the assignment.
I had professor usi g worksheets watermarked by another professor at a college in another state, y’all think anything came of it? He also gave us all the answers to the tests in the form of self graded quizes and let us take them into tests.
HS diplomas became a joke, degrees are becoming a joke…
As someone who was a TA a bit, I think that is 99% because if schools tried to hold students accountable to the standards of even ten years ago they would have to fail 2/3rds of their students.
Highschool becoming a joke means none of the kids have strong enough core skills to be tackling real college work by the time they get there, but schools cant afford to enforce actual quality standards for work. The graded model has completely fallen apart at this point given how steep the curve is. The quality of work that gets an A today would have been a B or high C from 10-15 years ago. Of course there is real A grade work being done too, but what defines an A grade has ballooned to a ridiculous degree such that most of it is not really A grade work
The problem isnt new, it was already bad 10 years ago to be honest. I had a professor in community college about 10 years ago who had been a professor at ASU, and she had quit teaching there specifically because the university wouldnt allow anyone to be graded below a C, regardless of if they did any work or not.
Most large public universities are just degree mills at this point, or bordering on it if not
You say that but I’ve had two classes this semester with an 70%+ fail rate. One of them probably needs addressed in the sense the professor was ass, but one was just straight up hard. They gave no fucks about failing over half the class. The pre-req for that class also had a 60% failure rate (based on who I see repeating it).
I don’t doubt some universities are degree mills, and ASU has always been known as a party school, but I assure you it’s not as widespread as some would believe based on my experiences at 3 universities.
That being said, the quality of student certainly seems to have dropped.
yeah, which is why where you get your degree sometimes matters but with all the standization, strictly speaking a AAEE-T from a shitty school counts just as much as any other school, even if the quality isn’t there.
Was your grade exclusively based on the tests and quizzes? That’s the only part that’s questionable here.
Every prof need not write their own unique materials, rather they need to teach you the target material using whatever resources best suit that purpose.
Most of the grade was on the tests, I think 70% then like 30% on the “Lab” portion…which was basically attedance and if you turned something in, he didn’t check for accuracy. One of the worst professor at this college.
Why do people not review their LLMs output?
Well of course I do.
…Gemini, review this ChatGPT paragraph
This is unironically a technique for catching LLM errors and also for speeding up generation.
For example in speculative decoding or mixture of experts architectures these kind of setups are used.
LLMs should augment your skills not substitute them. That’s just laziness or incompetence.
Or worst case scenario it means your job is replaceable.
Agreed.
I’d be pissed too. This is sloppy as hell.
As long as the materials are accurate and serve as an effective teaching aid, where’s the case?
It would be different if the sum total of course materials were wikipedia articles presented by a non expert, but the professor IS an expert. Sure, anyone can use genAI, BUT not anyone can write a relevant, targeted prompt and check the accuracy of the output. This is of course assuming the professor is generating (or at least vetting) materials for accuracy.
IF it turns out the student can find a pattern of inaccurate content there is a case. Otherwise there’s nothing: it would be like arguing that a TA made the materials (or the lecture materials came from a book written by SOMEONE ELSE gasp) and the professor presented them so the class is invalid.
Exactly. Nobody should care how the professor generates materials for the class, they should only care that the materials are effective and accurate. That’s the professor’s job, and they should be free to use whatever tools they find helpful in producing effective, accurate materials.
Mistakes happen. I found a bunch of errors in my classes, and this was before AI was a thing. The information was accurate, but the presentation was poor.
I think the key take away is that college is over rated, as you can easily find and create your own course materials on par with (or often better than) what the professors create
Lol no. You absolutely cannot.
You can maybe make it look nicer, but your high school diploma and street cred does not an education make.
The neat thing about it is, if you think this way, it would be impossible to prove to you that you can’t do it yourself just as well. Without DOING it, you just don’t know how much you don’t know compared to a university faculty member. There are people who can go to the library (or Internet) and good will hunting an education, but I can basically guarantee that neither you nor anyone you know or will ever know is one of them.
It probably depends on the specific field of study. My experience comes from software engineering
“He’s telling us not to use it, and then he’s using it himself,”
Yeah it sucks but there is zero chance this argument holds any weight in court.
Yeah, I had teachers change the rubric on the day of the final and even after and the deans at UCSB didnt care at all. Teachers can do just about anything under the guise of education…
Because the truth is they’re the ones deciding how to grade you and for the most part that’s not really “regulated”
The rubric is meant to be an outline of how they grade it so you understand how you got graded, it really isn’t supposed to show you how you will eventually be graded you know?
This is whats wrong with the world, people will come out of the woods and defend the most batshit insane things…
Why would they need to change how the class is graded after you took the class? The asnwer is simply to fuck you out of money. There is no educational purpose, just a monetary one.
Just because its reguarly done does not mean it should be normalized.
What would you do if your boss said the purpose of your salary is not to show you how much you will make by the end of the year, but to motivate you to work, and then doesnt pay you for months of work… would you have the same naive outlook?
There are some really good reasons to make changes, not trying to say that this was the case in the parent comment, but there are certainly cases where this makes sense. About halfway through my discrete math final my professor wrote a curve on the board based on exam results from the other test session. He realized that he hadn’t properly taught some concepts and he thought it would be unfair for us to suffer because of his mistakes. Should he have been forced to stick to a non curved exam because he hadn’t announced it in the rubric or to the first exam session?
There definately good reasons to allow making judgement calls, but I wouldnt be complaining if that all they use that freedom for.
Most of the time if you asked for some exception they would allow you to drop the class without issue. So they wont break the rubric to make the class easier, but they will to make the class harder. And thats what I take issue with.
On one of my finals the professor said “you all did too well on the midterm, so I changed the final to be on meaningless details in the reading to test your comprehension and only your final grades matter” so we could fail despite learing everything we set out to learn.
I had an engineering ethics professor tell me I could I turn in the first assignment late on the second day of class, but after the final she said my grade was entirely dependant on the first assignment and it was late so I got zero points and failed the class. They have a quota of students to fail and they just pick people to fail and come up with bullshit after. They use their unchecked liberties to screw the students out of their money and nothing more in my experience.
Though even in that case, the people in the class where the material wasn’t taught properly get a pass without necessarily understanding that material. On the one hand, it’s not fair for them to be punished for the prof’s mistake, but on the other hand, it’s not necessarily a good thing to give them credit for something they don’t know. It could hurt the credibility of the degree itself, similarly to the ones where you’ll get the diploma as long as you pay the bills.
People who hire the free pass people see they lack the skills despite having the paper saying they have them and stop hiring people with those credentials. It’s the same reason why cheating is dealt with so harshly.
The skills and knowledge are the whole point, not getting high marks or everything being fair. That said, it would be a difficult situation to deal with because being fair should still be a part of the equation, I just disagree about it being the most important part.
Another scenario for changing the rubric would be if the people running the course realized that something they thought was important for determining competence was actually trivial. This one could also be complex to handle fairly.
But that’s not what happened.
If you learned the information presented in class I’d assume how you’re graded doesn’t really matter. A grading rubric is nice to know but if you’re hedging everything on that and get twisted when it’s changed maybe you didn’t actually learn in the class?
You might DM too much because you think youre the master of the universe. Im assuming you were homeschooled by flatearthers, and thats cool you had a good experiance but that doesnt mean other people didnt have bad ones.
What a dumb thing to say, petty, scared and weak like your little brain. Who doesn’t understand grading rubrics? Lmfao
You’re probably too stupid to write a simple paper without having specific guidelines, did mommy have to hold your hand throughout highschool? Probably if a simple grading rubric ruined your life lol
What a dummy.
Pretty good pizza at Woodstock’s, tho.
The problem is that a student has a reasonable expectation of being taught by someone qualified and knowledgeable in the topic. If the professor is using AI, then that is a major breach of trust that brings into question the professor’s qualifications and whether you are actually getting the education you are paying for.
Not to mention the risk of plagiarism
“He’s telling us not to use it, and then he’s using it himself”
Just because the teacher might have screwed up doesn’t change that experts in a subject can assess LLM output, while a student who knows jack shit about the topic can’t. Just because the teacher messed up and let ai weirdness degrade the quality of education in the eyes of students, doesn’t mean just anyone can use chatgpt to generate college courses.
I read the original article but not the interview. I wonder how much communication there was about the work before the student decided they deserved a refund.
Ya I mean, you could buy the teachers versions of textbooks on eBay in the late 1990s… pretty sure teachers didn’t want us using those.
Holy crap… slashdot still exists??
It’s still the same 10 users complaining about systemd
Oh crap, the last time I looked at Slashdot comments, systemd didn’t exist yet
Never forget, never forgive
Hot grits
I checked it out again when reddit did their api fuckery. The progressives left and the libertarians are all that remain. I didn’t stick around long enough to get a better feel for the situation.
Apparently, Digg may be coming back.
A while back I saw a post on Lemmy accusing ASU, who is publicly partnered with OpenAI, of trying to quietly replace advisors with chatbots.
It’s truly a dark time for USA higher education.