Adobe Gets Bullied Off Bluesky (futurism.com)
from ButtonMcLemming@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 15:53
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PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social on 10 Apr 15:57 next collapse

Some brilliant people invented photoshop

It was a good product but expensive

Some asshole coke head CEO decided to make it more expensive and worse.

Fuck adobe.

GIMP 3 FTW

nokturne213@sopuli.xyz on 10 Apr 16:03 next collapse

And they bought Macromedia’s suite and destroyed it.

[deleted] on 10 Apr 16:17 next collapse

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lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 10 Apr 16:27 next collapse

I miss macromedia flash so bad, actionscript for life

flightyhobler@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 17:58 next collapse

I once built a website preloader that was so large that I made a pre-preloader for it. Good times indeed.

lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 10 Apr 18:00 next collapse

<insert outdated xzibit meme here> Agreed, the wildest of wests.

Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com on 10 Apr 18:05 collapse

A flash preloader was my first real tech job! As I recall, they stiffed my last paycheck and went under later.

But it was incredibly fun and I made connections that steered my career to a new direction for the next decade.

brbposting@sh.itjust.works on 11 Apr 01:40 collapse

Awesome, what’s keeping you busy these days? (If this is an account where it’s OK to share that on)

modifier@lemmy.ca on 10 Apr 20:01 next collapse

Fireworks for me. I miss that whole suite though.

andxz@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 14:15 collapse

Now there’s a name I haven’t seen in a while and that makes me a little bit sad.

metaldream@sopuli.xyz on 12 Apr 11:23 collapse

Good I hated working in actionscript so much.

shyguyblue@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 16:33 next collapse

RIP Fireworks…

Rogue@feddit.uk on 10 Apr 17:03 collapse

Fireworks had so much potential as a web design app and they threw it away.

Illustrator and InDesign were too focused on print media and Photoshop could barely comprehend anything unless it was rasterized.

Wimster@lemmy.wtf on 11 Apr 06:05 next collapse

That’s what big tech companies do, they buy small and promissing companies they think that once can become a competitor and then… destroy it. The young startups just take the money and can retire early.

Xerxos@lemmy.ml on 11 Apr 08:42 next collapse

And they bought Paintshop pro and destroyed it

rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 13:33 collapse

Corel bought Paint Shop Pro and destroyed it, not Adobe, though it was an Adobe-style move to be sure.

Redredme@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 12:28 collapse

I think he is old, like me and means aldus photostyler. Which was light years ahead of adobe in background separation.

rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 13:36 collapse

And they bought Cool Edit and destroyed it.

darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 10 Apr 16:35 next collapse

Some brilliant people invented photoshop

So the real question is whether Photoshop might ever have become successful, if Adobe hadn’t bought it.

PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social on 10 Apr 17:37 collapse

It sure is.

commander@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 16:44 next collapse

GIMP 3, Krita, Darktable, Inkscape, Kdenlive

pelespirit@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 17:26 next collapse

Blender

yonder@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 17:29 next collapse

The people editing their images in Blender are the same people who edit their videos in Blender lol.

pelespirit@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 17:33 next collapse

Has it gotten better with editing? I tried a couple of years ago and just couldn’t. It’s amazing for the 3d software. If they could make it easier to measure things, I’d use it for CAD too.

chainysawrs@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 17:59 next collapse

I believe i recall there being an update specifically to the video editor within the past year or two, but don’t quote me on that. They have done updates to post processing, the timeline functionality, grease pencil, and i believe some other things that would apply to video editing, so i imagine it would be easier to work with. There are cad and measuring add-ons as well, i believe some free within blender itself.

pelespirit@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 18:19 collapse

I bought Davinci, so I’m happy with that, but I’ll still check out the Blender version. I can’t really complain about it, it does so much and is free.

As far as CAD goes, they aren’t really usable to be fast in CAD. It’s super cumbersome. You should be able to move things 1" to the right or left, put things at certain heights and move around the space in an easy way. I haven’t found anything that can do that for imperial. Also, the tools for making dimensions is really bad and I don’t think there’s a way to make a blueprint unless you come up with something yourself. That being said, it’s free and it’s not their focus. They concentrate on the 3D portions.

RightEdofer@lemmy.ca on 10 Apr 18:29 next collapse

If the units are set to inches for length. You can just type G (grab), X (or Y or Z), and 1 to move an inch in any direction. I think it used to be worse.

pelespirit@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 18:36 collapse

Unless they’ve changed it in the last 2 releases, it’s still that you have to decimal out the inches. So 1" would be .0833333. I don’t have time for that shit. It’s so easy in any other cad program from decades ago. Like I said, it’s obviously not their focus and that’s fine. It’s just on my wish list.

mim@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 10 Apr 21:58 collapse

The imperial units still default to feet, but you can append a " to type in inches! You can also get fractions with one in the numerator by typing /x, and if you go into preferences -> input -> keyboard and check “Default to Advanced Numeric Input” you can type in e.g. 3/8" as well as do things like addition, subtraction, and multiplication in your numeric inputs. ^-^

pelespirit@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 22:26 collapse

Please don’t take this the wrong way, but I have no idea what you’re trying to communicate. You seem to know Blender really well and can modify it easily. That is my worst nightmare. I wish there was a way for them to just have an architectural drawing units button, it would be so freaking easy to use. Making drawings would still be a pain, because you can’t print to scale, but building things the right way in 3D would be a start.

mim@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 11 Apr 04:50 collapse

Ah, I definitely could’ve formatted that better, sorry about that. ^-^ For what it’s worth, I’m no expert with blender, I was just rambling a bit. I’ll try again, but the tldr is that while it’s probably not very good for engineering yet, it has been getting better at it bit by bit. Once you change two settings it’s easy now to do what you were talking about and move objects by an inch without needing to calculate and type out decimal values.

The first setting is to switch the Units System between unitless (I think this used to be the only option), metric, and imperial. The dropdown for that is in the Scene tab of the right sidebar (the icon is a cone behind a sphere with a dot above it, it’s probably right above a red globe icon), under a folder called Units.

To get to the second setting you need to go to the Edit dropdown at the top of the screen, select Preferences…, pick the Input section from the left sidebar of the window that pops up, and under the Keyboard folder activate the checkbox labelled Default to Advanced Numeric Input. My earlier message wasn’t quite accurate, it turns out this setting is more important than I’d thought.

With both of those settings changed, you can select something in your model and press g to grab it, then x, y, or z to move along a particular axis, if you then type 1 blender will move the object one foot along that axis. If instead you type 1" it will handle the conversion and move one inch.

As a bonus, the advanced numeric input also lets you use fractions and do simple math, so if you want to move something by 3/8" along the x axis you can type gx3/8"<enter> or if you want to move something by 1/16" less than 3/4" without bothering with the math, you can type in gx3/4"-1/16"<enter>, though unfortunately it’s important to put the quotation mark after both fractions or the one without will be interpreted as that fraction of a foot.

^-^’ Hopefully that’s a little clearer, like I said at the top it’s probably still not the best tool for what it sounds like you want to do with it, but the thing you said was on your wishlist has been added and in my experience it did make blender significantly more useful for designing simple real world objects.

pelespirit@sh.itjust.works on 11 Apr 07:25 collapse

I’ll take a look again, thanks.

Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 10 Apr 18:45 collapse

I’ve started using FreeCAD for CAD work, I’ve used Fusion 360 for 5 years before trying FreeCAD (again, I tried it a few years ago) and it works pretty good.

It’s different and it’s taking some getting used to but it’s working out quite nicely so far.

pelespirit@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 18:52 collapse

I’ll give that a try again. I tried that about 3 or 4 years ago and couldn’t make that switch, but I can’t remember why, lol.

captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 23:28 next collapse

The 1.0 release helps a lot. They got a bit of a kick in the pants while Ondsel existed.

nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org on 11 Apr 02:56 collapse

Oh definitely do. The recent improvements (in the last 1-2 years) have made it much more useable, and sometimes even intuitive.

MangoCats@feddit.it on 10 Apr 19:46 next collapse

Maybe I’m doing too much engineering - I found Open SCAD to be way easier than Blender for making stuff, and that’s saying something because Open SCAD is quite a pain.

pelespirit@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 19:50 next collapse

I can see why for engineering, it allows you to be super precise. I’m not sure the people who developed the CAD side of Blender have ever used it for anything precise or to build details and drawings of any kind. They just seem clueless, there is no other way to put it. AutoSketch used to be so great, maybe the paid version is now. That was different than AutoCAD and Revit, but I loved it.

trashboat@midwest.social on 10 Apr 19:58 collapse

I’ve always seen Blender as a 3D art tool but never as a precise 3D engineering tool. Didn’t even know Blender had CAD features

pelespirit@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 21:25 collapse

Me too. As I said before, it’s just on my wish list. I’ve learned Blender pretty darn well. If it could do CAD in a decent way, it would be perfect. There are too many UI’s in my head as it is.

nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org on 11 Apr 03:00 collapse

I hate the syntax in OpenSCAD. It LOOKS like something object-oriented but it is procedural, causing oh so many footguns, if one expects it to act like OOP.

MangoCats@feddit.it on 12 Apr 17:34 collapse

I’m a mostly procedural thinker, even though I program in OOP all day long. OpenSCAD works a lot like the rest of my code: write it, try it, look at the results, curse, revise it, try it, look at the results, curse differently… you get there eventually. I do highly suggest not coding a masterpiece in OpenSCAD without visualizing the components first.

moody@lemmings.world on 10 Apr 19:57 next collapse

It doesn’t do it natively, but it does have plugins for CAD features

werefreeatlast@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 20:11 collapse

FreeCAD for CAD as others mentioned.

philpo@feddit.org on 11 Apr 01:43 collapse

Sadly FreeCAD is absolutely shit compared to what commercial CAD products offer - and sadly even 1.0 didn’t change their problems.

[deleted] on 11 Apr 02:50 next collapse

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philpo@feddit.org on 11 Apr 06:44 collapse

Photoshop is a professional level software that is used by hobbyists as well - we compare affinity to this level as well and that’s okay.

So we should compare FreeCAD on this level as well. And from that perspective it’s sadly exactly what I called it.

The roughness from a commercial perspective is an issue as it costs money - because it takes people much more time to do things,even when they work.

And there are still way too many issues with it that sometimes are a result of infighting within the development community and exist for5+ years. To name a few:

  • More complex imports are basically a nightmare especially with more complex facets

  • Large file handling is unstable as f***. Our CAD files are commercial building size or “complex medical product” sized and despite having more than enough resources allocated FreeCAD crashes frequently without even proving any hints to the user why. The issue behind it is known for years, though.

  • We had multiple issues with using older files that were saved on different OSes - really great if you can’t access files that are 16 months old. Also a known issue.

  • Standardised rollout is still basically impossible.

Just to name a few… It’s simply not on the level even Solidworks has in that regards (which has it’s own issues,yes, I am on the same page with you there). While I don’t really like Siemens NC (or Solidedge for that matter) it’s indeed a reasonably good software - but me disliking them might be the result of them dropping Linux support more or less unannounced. AutoCAD and it’s sister products are imho worse than Creo,but again: More of a personal thing. In the end they sadly (!) beat FreeCAD in all aspects. By far. Which is pretty much a catastrophe as FreeCAD is the only Linux alternative atm.

[deleted] on 11 Apr 12:45 collapse

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nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org on 11 Apr 02:54 collapse

Depends on your needs. I probably wouldn’t consider it good enough yet for commercial but the improvements on 1.0 take care of pretty much all of my needs. The “free” licenses for Fusion360 and OnShape are garbage and feel like nothing more than attempts to get hobbyists and small businesses locked in before changing terms. Plus, last I checked, they pull the same kinda data vacuum bullshit that social media companies did in their terms - “free” license holders should expect any and all of their work to be resold by the companies for profit.

philpo@feddit.org on 11 Apr 06:31 collapse

But we are talking about a commercial level here - Adobe Photoshop is primarily a professional software that is also used by prosumers/hobbyists,not vice versa. We all judge e.g. Affinity on that level (rightfully).

And seen from that level FreeCAD is,well, what I said. Sure,it might do for some hobbyists and even some small companies, but even then it shows it’s massive structural flaws. Which partly, and this is why I am so openly critical of it, exist for 5+ years and are there due to the ongoing infighting in the development community.

The problem with is roughness is also a problem in terms of commercial use. When I do things as a hobbyist it’s just my time that is consumed. Not ideal,but it is what it is. In a commercial setting my staff takes more time due to this roughness and that costs money - much more money than commercial solutions cost. Which is bad - especially as it forces people to stick with Windows as there are no properly working alternatives on Linux.

And yes, onshape and fusion are horrible to hobbyists in that regard, but Solidedge(free) and to some extend Solidworks(cheap) are decent.

nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org on 11 Apr 08:12 collapse

I have to agree with pretty much everything that you’ve said there. Since I don’t use CAD professionally, and I’m not about to suffer through the windows experience voluntarily, I’m pretty much such with FreeCAD and (when I get around to it) CADquery. Hopefully more companies will start supporting Linux and free CAD devs from all the MS fuckery - might even get FreeCAD (or a fork) to be more productive and prioritize things necessary to be competitive for SMB/hobbyists.

philpo@feddit.org on 11 Apr 11:24 collapse

Yeah, it’s a real pain, sadly. Tbh, I don’t think we will ever find a major CAD company support Linux again - even Siemens, who supported NX on Linux for ages have stopped.

From my POV we have two choices: Either we make FreeCAD a viable alternative that beats the competition or at least is on the same page as them - which I find highly unlikely with the current system, so a fork+someone who finances it would be needed- or we find ways to optimise/enable Windows based CAD on Linux*. The former worked for the other tool we regularly use: QGIS. That has become the de facto standard in a lot of fields and has sometimes even pushed out commercial competition.

The later is imho the better way for CAD as it is really really hard for companies to change their CAD (even within windows and with a commercial product) - I have a business estimate for an medical product company who estimated 30k € per employee under ideal conditions, possibly more if something goes wrong(Training, loss of production, licencing, converting of files, integration of external databases,etc.). We have done it for games (tbf,with a lot of help from valve) and surely can do it with CAD (which in theory should be easier).

The last option is a bad one: In theory we could use FreeCAD as a backengine and develop themes that replicate the workflow of other products. But for that FreeCAD would need to improve on so many points beforehand…

primemagnus@lemmy.ca on 10 Apr 18:06 collapse

You say that like it’s a bad thing lol

nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org on 11 Apr 02:49 collapse

FreeCAD (for less-organic modeling)

boredtortoise@lemm.ee on 11 Apr 05:27 next collapse

Photopea, Shotcut

kazerniel@lemmy.world on 15 Apr 17:15 collapse

if you poke around graphic design as a hobby, these might be fine, but not for professional use from what I’ve read :/

e.g. apparently Inkscape still can’t really do CMYK

PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca on 10 Apr 16:53 next collapse

Photopea represent

Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 17:02 next collapse

Affinity Photo for me!

I’d prefer FOSS but…GIMP ain’t it.

Have used Photopea in* a bind in the past, it’s also pretty good especially the clone GUI.

Vibi@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 10 Apr 17:20 next collapse

I moved to Affinity early this year, and it has been amazing!! I was expecting a long adjustment period after decades with Photoshop, but it’s so similar that I picked it up super quick!

emogu@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 17:28 next collapse

Another vote for Affinity. Excellent Adobe alternatives 1-time reasonable price. Such a breath of fresh air after so many subs.

grrgyle@slrpnk.net on 11 Apr 00:10 collapse

Just an FYI that you might want to get some practice in with some Affinity alternatives, because they’ve been purchased by Canva, and so enshittification might set in any time.

Scrollone@feddit.it on 11 Apr 06:13 collapse

It may enshittify, but since it’s a one time purchase and not a subscription, you can keep using your version.

grrgyle@slrpnk.net on 11 Apr 13:09 collapse

Oh that’s really good.

Litebit@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 11:36 collapse

I have been using it for the past 5+ years. It is good enough, and its perpetual license.

pelespirit@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 19:22 collapse

Bought out by Canva, I also currently love it, but I don’t expect that to last.

Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 21:27 collapse

FUCK.

ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 17:19 collapse

Krita is my graphics app of choice these days. But there are many alternatives that are great (like Gimp and Photopea).

woelkchen@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 18:31 collapse

Krita is my graphics app of choice these days.

So much of Krita is great and then there is the text tool which is still a heap of trash.

jackalope@lemmy.ml on 10 Apr 18:37 collapse

New update coming for that soon!

woelkchen@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 19:06 collapse

New update coming for that soon!

I’m fully aware of the feature that has been promised for years and is supposed to land in 5.3. I’m still using Krita, just not solely.

rustyfish@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 18:29 next collapse

I feel like I should have switched to GIMP a decade ago.

Roopappy@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 02:35 collapse

The best time to switch was 10 years ago. The second best time to switch is right now.

jackalope@lemmy.ml on 10 Apr 18:35 next collapse

Gimp sucks. Krita is way better.

fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com on 12 Apr 13:19 collapse

They have different purposes.

jackalope@lemmy.ml on 14 Apr 05:40 collapse

Krita is more focused on painting but it has most of the same features as gimp.

MangoCats@feddit.it on 10 Apr 19:38 next collapse

I (distantly) knew an indie software developer who was putting up a pretty good Photoshop alternative in 1996: ONE GUY alone in his bedroom was making a decent living selling a Photoshop alternative that he wrote himself. And he wasn’t exactly a super-wunderkind coder, just a guy who knew the photo manipulation space well enough to get enough customers to float selling his software for a few years - in direct competition with Photoshop.

Adobe isn’t selling magic dust ground from precious gemstones by thousands of artisans. They had a decent product that they marketed the hell out of and eventually got overly greedy.

GIMP, Krita, and many others are right up there if you haven’t been sucked into the Adobe addiction vortex.

peoplebeproblems@midwest.social on 10 Apr 21:40 next collapse

Krita is awesome with a drawing pad

And I’m not like even good at doing anything

MangoCats@feddit.it on 12 Apr 17:35 collapse

Yeah, I got my son a draw-on monitor explicitly for use with Krita. It’s a normal PC too, but it makes Krita much easier to use well.

Scrollone@feddit.it on 11 Apr 06:11 collapse

I use GIMP, but you can’t compare it to Photoshop. GIMP has a horrible GUI and it has very strange design choices.

The Affinity suite is comparable to Photoshop, but it’s a paid product.

pyre@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 17:06 next collapse

whatever happened to photopea

MangoCats@feddit.it on 12 Apr 17:33 collapse

I compare today’s GIMP to the Photoshop I used in the 1990s, and they’re not very different at all.

SethTaylor@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 19:51 next collapse

I still remember when they bought Macromedia Flash and all my animator friends and I simply couldn’t stand Adobe Flash CS3 or whatever it was called. It used more resources, crashed more often and didn’t exactly bring anything revolutionary to the table in terms of new functions.

Gigasser@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 02:30 next collapse

Bluesky has a lot of artists. Posting this video here: youtu.be/I4mdMMu-3fc

Cocodapuf@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 12:23 next collapse

Ok, so I’ve tried gimp in the past, but had a hard time with it. Honestly, my Photoshop skills are mostly self taught (and not all that impressive), but that’s the interface I know. How similar to Photoshop can one make the interface in gimp these days? Because that’s probably my biggest hurdle.

PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social on 11 Apr 13:10 next collapse

Gimp is a little steeper learning curve but if you already know photoshop it’s not that bad.

The tricky thing is knowing what to do when you get stuck. Luckily they wrote a manual that assumes you’re only reading the manual because you got stuck and you’re so frustrated you’re actually reading the manual.

Gimp3 just launched and it’s really nice.

And free.

Matriks404@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 11:42 collapse

Check out PhotoGIMP

Manticore@lemmy.nz on 12 Apr 07:05 next collapse

I use Affinity Suite for work. Paid for it once, have it forever. Free updates until new editions, which are discounted if you own an older edition. Buy it for one platform (Windows), that’s a license for that edition of any other platform too. AND they regularly go on special, often to 50% off.

It doesn’t have AI content generation, but it does a few things Adobe doesn’t - like being able to use Photo and Designer from INSIDE Publisher, seamless like its a single program!

Affinity Photo (Photoshop), Designer (Illustrator), and Publisher (InDesign). Then Krita for raster illustration. That’s all I need as a professional

muusemuuse@lemm.ee on 12 Apr 07:38 collapse

I have some artist friends who saw the writing on the wall after Adobe told Apple to fuck off with the iPad and Affinity said hold my beer. One owns her own publishing company and as of a few years ago all new projects were Adobe-free workflows. She still has Adobe but will only use it for older shit that might still need something later. Going forward, she (and therefore her entire operation) are fucking done with Adobe. Another friend learned both so he could adapt to whatever the market has in store for him and since the market sucks for artists he’s going freelance too and has said absolutely no to Adobe.

Adobe is officially legacy software. Vendor lock in won’t save it as the creatives don’t need industry titans to survive.

Manticore@lemmy.nz on 12 Apr 10:17 collapse

Moat of the teams I see hiring designers are still using Adobe, and printshops take .ai files. But most of the solo designers I know use Affinity, and I’ve heard of one (albeit small) team that has swapped to Affinity for their whole team.

Affinity was just bought by Canva so idk how it might evolve over time, or if v3 will make compromises I don’t agree with. But I got v1 during Covid, loved it, converted to v2 as soon as it was available, still love it. Using all of them on the same file in the same window feels amazing.

Another downside is that designers rarely make asset packs for Affinity. But I’m pretty sure Affinity is able to import brush pack formats from one of the other big names, just not sure which (likely Adboe’s .abr)

I don’t like painting in Photo though, but that might be because I’m so used to Krita, which is designed for illustration in the first place. (They’re great, I might donate to them again actually)

fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com on 12 Apr 13:18 collapse

Big GIMP fan. That being said, Adobe needs to start promoting some of their actually good stuff, like their investment in the open C2PA spec for proving content authenticity, vs constant AI crap that is the exact opposite.

_stranger_@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 16:09 next collapse

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magnetosphere@fedia.io on 10 Apr 16:19 next collapse

FAFO

infeeeee@lemm.ee on 10 Apr 16:26 next collapse

A top reply was posted on another lemmy community:

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lemmy.world/post/27989752

I can’t see any screenshots from the article, all require a bluesky account. At least on twitter you could see images without login before the takeover. I’m alright if a for profit websites hides “their” content behind a login wall, it’s their choice, but how lazy is this “journalism” where they don’t copy the images, they just link to the original tweets or whatever they called on bluesky.

finitebanjo@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 16:40 next collapse

TBH it’s better journalism to include the link, but they could do both.

Zykino@programming.dev on 10 Apr 16:53 collapse

Source can be destroyed. An alternative screenshoot backup/proof is good measure. Especially in web its better to not depend on an outside server.

Like if they close (or some billionaire buy them and requires an account for everything), your content becomes worthless.

lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com on 10 Apr 19:25 collapse

Sources can be recovered in archives & web caches. Screenshots can be fake & often break accessibility.

Always prefer sources.

Zykino@programming.dev on 10 Apr 21:57 collapse

I don’t say “remove the source”, I say “the source can disappear, the way back machine have already been attacked, just do your own copy of the source and make it available”.

I know screenshots can be faked, but if your news source does it it is not reliable. Drop it immediately.

lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com on 11 Apr 01:06 collapse

In that case, too, the text can be quoted, then just like magic it’s accessible. A quote that links to the source is a strong combination.

Everyone benefits: the text is searchable, reflowable, adaptable to multi-modal input & output, easy to quote via copy & paste, etc. It’s simply more useful & screenshots don’t inherently give any of that.

Zykino@programming.dev on 11 Apr 05:58 collapse

Yes. I talked about screenshots because the first message said:

I can’t see any screenshots from the article, all require a bluesky account. At least on twitter you could see images without login before the takeover.

For “text source only” I’m with you quotes are enough.

And if images are post anywhere, always provide an alt text, plz everyone !

lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com on 11 Apr 06:11 collapse

If the point is to reproduce an image, not text, then yes, definitely provide those images. Agreed: nothing wrong in that.

thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe on 10 Apr 16:42 next collapse

That’s weird. The bluesky links in the article work fine for me, and I don’t have a bluesky account.

Ahh hang on, this one doesn’t work but all the rest do

bsky.app/profile/…/3lmdz2tu6xk2x

Ahh here we go: it’s a user made setting not a bluesky one

“Sign-in Required This user has requested that their content only be shown to signed-in users. This label was applied by the author.”

SatyrSack@feddit.org on 10 Apr 19:56 collapse

Ahh here we go: it’s a user made setting not a bluesky one

“Sign-in Required This user has requested that their content only be shown to signed-in users. This label was applied by the author.”

Why would a user choose to enable that? Would that make it less likely to be scraped by a bot?

Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 10 Apr 20:09 next collapse

Probably the same person who ends all of their comments on Lemmy with that stupid “anti-AI commercial license” or whatever bullshit.

captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works on 11 Apr 04:12 collapse

It’s like the polar opposite of “Brought to you by Carl’s Jr.”

Reisen@sh.itjust.works on 11 Apr 01:25 collapse

bsky started with nine of its posts. wing shown publicly so when they flopped the switch (i think they also opened registration without invites) some people who had gotten used to their post being hidden from the rest of the net felt exposed and the devs added this settings.

while i do not think its a great setting i kinda get it. especially given that there are not (yet) private accounts so that’s the best they have

murmelade@lemmy.ml on 10 Apr 16:44 next collapse

Bleets?

pelespirit@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 16:53 next collapse

Lol, the article says skeet, but I like yours better.

YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca on 10 Apr 17:03 next collapse

The Sheeples bleat on BlueSky?

jackalope@lemmy.ml on 10 Apr 18:37 collapse

Skeets

lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com on 10 Apr 19:23 next collapse

I can’t see any screenshots

how lazy is this “journalism” where they don’t copy the images

Images of web content usually break accessibility (implicit ableism) unless alt text is provided, which really amounts to a poor substitute for embedding content, block quoting, or linking to source (what the web was made for), where no alt text is needed because the actual text is there.

Stop breaking accessibility: oppose inaccessible screenshots of accessible content.

phoenixz@lemmy.ca on 10 Apr 20:18 collapse

No

Please stop with the “ablism” thing to shut down anything good but not good enough.

If I can’t see the info on bluesky without an account then yes, a screenshot should be required. Bluesky content can be deleted, but a screenshot stays.

Yes, I know that some people need screen readers and yes, we can improve upon this by, I dunno, making an image format for screenshots that allow for alt text or whatever.

What is not helpful is calling people tomstip using a normal day to day tool just because it isn’t perfectly adjusted for < 1% of the Internet users.

To be really clear about it, I’m not saying I don’t care about them, I’m saying you shouldn’t throw around insults just because someone didn’t do a standard task perfect enough for everyone, or mostly: you

lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com on 11 Apr 00:43 collapse

No

Please stop with the “ablism” thing to shut down anything good but not good enough.

What is not helpful is calling people tomstip using a normal day to day tool just because it isn’t perfectly adjusted for < 1% of the Internet users.

Emphatic no to your no. Disabling content isn’t good or helpful. Disabled content is worse for everyone: no source, less functionality, less to corroborate, often harder to read. It’s only “good enough” for people able as you while pointlessly excluding those unlike you, ie, ableism.

16% of the world population experiences some form of disability. Anyone can become disabled temporarily or permanently. With age, nearly all of us become disabled in some capacity. This is as much a matter of self-regard & forethought as it is for regard of others. It is in your interest to have accessible content whether or not you realize it.

we can improve upon this by, I dunno, making an image format for screenshots that allow for alt text or whatever.

A new technology isn’t needed: not breaking what isn’t broken is enough. Better alternatives have existed since the beginning of the web: linking, embedding, or even copying & pasting the text into a blockquote. A screenshot of web content is a shitty tool serving the able-bodied.

If I can’t see the info on bluesky without an account then yes, a screenshot should be required.

That’s a strong argument for pressuring bluesky to cut their crap instead of enabling their structural ableism by taking screenshots. The alternatives mentioned before still exist.

Bluesky content can be deleted

There’s this crazy feature where if you select the text instead of a rectangle of screen, you can copy & paste it. Always been there. About the same number of steps. Wild.

I’m not saying I don’t care about them

Whether you “care” doesn’t matter when the effect is the same as not caring and the simplest actions anyone could take aren’t taken. The effect of that blithe, inconsiderate disregard is structural ableism. Rather than take the easy way out & reinforce this, we each have the power to address it.

Unlike the abstract issues often discussed here far removed from our control, these are practical actions within our immediate control. We all have power with the simplest of gestures to make our content accessible instead of selfishly able-centric.

Choosing not to when we know better indicates who we are. Defending acts to harmfully disable content also indicates who we are.

WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works on 11 Apr 04:10 collapse

Emphatic no to your no. Disabling content isn’t good or helpful. Disabled content is worse for everyone: no source, less functionality, less to corroborate, often harder to read.

this is disabled content. we are barred from reading it, unless we register. parent commenter asked one thing: also include a screenshot for cases like this

this is an empathetic no to reading your comment any further

lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com on 11 Apr 05:58 collapse

As written multiple times, there are better alternatives. Disregarding them is shortsighted ableism. I suggest some attention span.

WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works on 11 Apr 06:29 collapse

better alternatives? linking, embeddib? worthless when the website itself decides thatbit won’t show you the content

quoting? you mean, all of the response tweets? and how do you quote images, videos?

lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com on 12 Apr 06:41 collapse

worthless when the website itself decides thatbit won’t show you the content

Businesses are legally bound to make their online content accessible: a screenshot without alt text doesn’t solve this for them. Isn’t it common practice around here to link to archives? Quoting & linking isn’t worthless.

quoting? you mean, all of the response tweets?

Yes. Unreasonable? No, compulsory & common standard industry standard. Out of legal necessity (and market reach), they already write text out (as alt text for all meaningful images). An image of a tweet with replies requires writing all that text out.

Try this exercise yourself to realize how pointless an image of text is (which images of tweets mostly are). Take an image of text, write the markup to display the image, include an alt attribute set to the full text shown in the image. If you have any sense, you’ll return to the source of the image to copy & paste the original text into the alt attribute. If you lack sense, you’ll tediously read the image and retype it into the alt attribute. Your choice.

Realize anything yet?

  1. You’re returning to the source, so linking it is basic sense, right?
  2. You already write text out, but your effort is wasted as a flat text attribute for an image that adds nothing compelling, only some meaningless visuals of UI artifacts. That text could instead be the main attraction with semantic mark up (blockquotes, paragraphs, lists, etc). It makes more sense to skip the image entirely & quote the text directly: less work, more functional, better.

and how do you quote images, videos?

The way it’s already done. Online news doesn’t typically give screenshots of images or videos. They link, embed, or copy the image or video to directly provide it alongside some quotes.

Selecting lines of text instead of rectangles of screen to copy & paste isn’t a novel, farfetched idea.

glowing_hans@sopuli.xyz on 12 Apr 12:27 collapse

Not you. take CURSE OF RA [7 lines of incromprehensible egyptian hyroglyphs]

Best reply to a greeting by Adobe

nokturne213@sopuli.xyz on 10 Apr 16:38 next collapse

<img alt="" src="https://sopuli.xyz/api/v3/image_proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FZez6MjF.jpeg">

Flamekebab@piefed.social on 10 Apr 17:30 next collapse

On macOS I found that getting Photoshop to stay cracked was a hassle. This didn't make me buy Photoshop, it just made me use something else.

nokturne213@sopuli.xyz on 10 Apr 19:00 next collapse

I had a legit copy of CS6 for my windows computer, then switched to Mac and was unable to get a copy for it so I kept my windows laptop around for graphic design.

It died and now I use Affinity on my Mac and iPad.

podperson@lemm.ee on 10 Apr 19:40 next collapse

I dumped Adobe completely several years ago, and found that Pixelmator has been an excellent Photoshop replacement. It even now does vector images - used to use an app called Graphic for that (for an Illustrator replacement), but should now be able to do all of that from Pixelmator.

Cocodapuf@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 12:40 collapse

Yeah, I used Adobe CS3 on the Mac for a very long time, because I may have had the activation key for my college’s site license…

That never gave me any trouble. But using other keys or cracks, a real pain in the ass.

iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 17:41 next collapse

Honestly nah, there are lots of other good options. Support the devs and people fueling real creativity rather than staying in Adobe’s ecosystem, paid or not.

Pirata@lemm.ee on 10 Apr 18:18 next collapse

Exactly this.

nokturne213@sopuli.xyz on 10 Apr 18:58 next collapse

I use Affinity these days. Although it being purchased by Canva has me very worried.

kazerniel@lemmy.world on 15 Apr 20:16 collapse

Honestly nah, there are lots of other good options.

Unfortunately as someone who uses Adobe programs for work, the FLOSS alternatives are just not there yet :/ (especially considering how seamlessly Adobe programs work together)

iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works on 15 Apr 20:18 collapse

My partner is a graphic designer and although she undeniably had some growing pains switching away from Adobe, she hasn’t looked back.

Mossheart@lemmy.ca on 10 Apr 18:28 next collapse

Any Lightroom classic alternative?

yopyop@feddit.nl on 10 Apr 18:43 next collapse

Rawtherapee or darktable for example.

then_three_more@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 18:44 collapse

In the theme of above lightroom classic (cracked)

Otherwise not really. You’re looking at digiKam for the library management side and either RawTherapee or Darktable for editing.

Exec@pawb.social on 11 Apr 05:38 collapse

I just couldn’t get used to how the UI of Darktable works. Rawtherapee is somewhat nice, usable at least. I’ll check out digikam, I do have a problem with organisation.

someguy3@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 18:37 next collapse

Had me at the first 1/10th.

IndustryStandard@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 19:33 collapse

Top meme

Ulrich@feddit.org on 10 Apr 16:45 next collapse

Per screenshots of the “skeet,” as folks on the butterfly app are wont to call their posts

What the fuck is this word salad?

davidgro@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 17:03 next collapse

English.

The word that’s throwing you off is probably wont

wont

(archaic or humorous) One's habitual way of doing things; custom, habit, practice. 
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palordrolap@fedia.io on 10 Apr 20:07 collapse

Per screenshots of the "skeet" = As can be understood from screenshots of the post, also known as a "skeet"

as folks on the butterfly app = (a name that) users of Bluesky

are wont to call their posts... = like to call their posts...

"Skeet" being a combination of "sky" and "tweet", which I hope you can figure out the origins of, and also a somewhat dirty word that the owners of Bluesky would really prefer people didn't use as the non-generic name for posts on their platform, but is also disturbingly accurate if you compare the conceptually similar word "disseminate" for the spreading of information.

I should probably have separated the above into two sentences somewhere.

MaggiWuerze@feddit.org on 10 Apr 19:23 next collapse

yeah, that one threw me for a loop and I consider my vocabulary to be fairly decent. I just assumed it was missing the apostroph to make it “won’t”. Thanks for clearing that up

pycorax@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 02:08 collapse

Is this some word that’s commonly used in some English speaking countries? I’m a native speaker and have never heard or seen this word ever being used.

davidgro@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 02:39 next collapse

As far as I know it’s not commonly used anywhere, and is mostly used for effect.

I think it used to be more common in my parents’ generation.

ZeffSyde@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 06:28 collapse

The only people that are wont to use this are either somewhat pretentious/want to sound learned, or are using it for old timey comedic effect.

Learned is another word for wise or well taught, before anyone asks. It’s said ‘Learned’, not ‘learn-ed’.

thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org on 10 Apr 17:11 next collapse

I’m in the UK this week, it’s how they talk. It’s fun but can be difficult understanding what someone actually means 30 seconds later

Flamekebab@piefed.social on 10 Apr 17:33 next collapse

As seen in the screenshot of the "skeet" (BlueSky post), as users of BlueSky like to call their posts.

It looks like perfectly cromulent English to me.

iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 17:41 next collapse

That’s not word salad.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 10 Apr 17:53 collapse

How is it not? It makes absolutely no sense.

jabba@feddit.uk on 10 Apr 18:27 next collapse

Aside from being angry at their choice to call their “tweet” equivalent “Skeets”, which bit confuses you?

Ulrich@feddit.org on 10 Apr 19:00 collapse

Aside from being angry at their choice to call their “tweet” equivalent “Skeets”

I’m not angry, I legitimately just didn’t know that.

which bit confuses you?

…the whole thing? Hence “word salad”.

Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 18:38 next collapse

While it may be difficult to start reading books at the point you are at, it seems like it might be worth the effort to overcome the initial difficulties.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 10 Apr 19:00 collapse

Ah yes, my confusion totally warrants personal insults, thank you for that.

Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 20:19 collapse

That’s fair. Though it was more in response to how consistently negative you were being to everyone else. Like you were trying to prove to everyone else the sentence was as hard to read as you thought it was. I was more attacking the character you were playing with ad hominem, to show you how your position was coming across.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 10 Apr 20:35 collapse

LOL I’ve no idea what you’re on about, I wasn’t playing any “character”.

Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 21:18 collapse

Well, not at first, but after an hour of everyone explaining the sentence, and how it was a proper well-written sentence, at some point maintaining that you were correct that it didn’t make sense had to start being a character you were playing.

Whether unintentionally manifested through ODD, or intentional, same difference.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 10 Apr 21:30 collapse

You need to check your timestamps. And also go away.

Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 21:41 collapse

Ok, sorry, 2 hours. But either way, one hour would have sufficed for it to no longer be legitimate confusion anymore. And I can for sure go away, just stop posting things you are trying to get responses to. Although I think at this point, this is my last response even if you keep doing so.

iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 18:58 collapse

It really does make perfect sense. There is nothing grammatically or semantically wrong with the bit you quoted. Is English your first language?

mj_marathon@programming.dev on 10 Apr 18:35 next collapse

It’s okay to admit that you don’t understand what is being said. That doesn’t make it “word salad”

Ulrich@feddit.org on 10 Apr 19:02 collapse

The fact that it’s seemingly a bunch of random words crammed together in a sentence makes it “word salad”.

mj_marathon@programming.dev on 11 Apr 01:11 collapse

Operative word being “seemingly”.

Also seemingly: you not being as literate as you think you are.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 11 Apr 02:23 collapse

Operative word being “seemingly”.

I am aware. That’s why I wrote it. It was not an accident. It was not a declarative statement.

Also seemingly: you’re being an unnecessary asshole. Goodbye.

FourWaveforms@lemm.ee on 11 Apr 00:40 collapse

bluesky tweet

Kowowow@lemmy.ca on 10 Apr 16:46 next collapse

“So much for the tolerant left”

*Do you guys get this is supposed to be adobe saying it? whatever I guess I need a stupid \s or something

Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 17:08 collapse

I must be some galaxy brain to understand you!

Don’t worry I thought it was funny.

Kowowow@lemmy.ca on 10 Apr 19:12 collapse

Hey as long as I break even it’s a win

Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 17:00 next collapse

I know Curse of Ra will get old if it isn’t already for some, but it’s my favorite stupid meme currently.

SomeSphinx@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 12:58 collapse

Praise be unto RA, destroyer of Brands!

Fingolfinz@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 17:11 next collapse

Hell yeah, they deserve it.

Eat_Your_Paisley@lemm.ee on 10 Apr 17:35 next collapse

Can’t think of a more deserving company

onyxjet@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 18:37 next collapse

From being digitally issued the “curse of RA”

Lmao

Arkouda@lemmy.ca on 10 Apr 18:56 next collapse

If one isn’t a total nutcase who can pass every left wing social purity test ever devised you will be bullied off of Bluesky. Just like if you cannot do the same in reverse with right wing purity tests on Twitter.

Adobe sucks, but Bluesky is trash as well. Which should have been expected considering it is a Twitter clone.

Dekkia@this.doesnotcut.it on 10 Apr 18:59 next collapse

Where you bullied of Bluesky for saying something they didn’t like?

Arkouda@lemmy.ca on 10 Apr 19:07 collapse

Nah, I left before it got that bad when I noticed I was being blocked and put on mass “block lists” with MAGA folk for saying the Democrats are just as much to blame for Trump as the Republicans are.

zarkanian@sh.itjust.works on 11 Apr 00:44 collapse

You think that people blocking you is “bullying”? Nobody is required to listen to you.

Arkouda@lemmy.ca on 11 Apr 01:09 collapse

Not what I said. But go off.

Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 19:04 next collapse

Jesus Fucking Christ man… is this really how you see the world?

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Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 19:16 next collapse

I browse… Twitter, 9gag, 4chan, BlueSky, Lemmy and Mastodon. I find a mixed bag of cunts and diamonds on all of them - and loads of people in between.

The world is not as black and white as you see it.

Perhaps you might try sorting the wheat from the chaff next time before you make definitive sweeping statements about various platforms.

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brucethemoose@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 21:34 collapse

OP’s being abrasive, but I sympathize with the sentiment. Bluesky is algorithmic just like Twitter.

…Dunno about Bluesky, but Lemmy feels like a political purity test to me. Like, I love Lemmy and the Fediverse, but at the same time mega upvoted posts/comments like “X person should kill themself,” explulsion of nuance in specific issues, leaks into every community and such are making me step back more and more.

zarkanian@sh.itjust.works on 11 Apr 00:30 next collapse

Spoiler: if you didn’t like reddit, you won’t like Lemmy.

FourWaveforms@lemm.ee on 11 Apr 00:37 collapse

Counterpoint: There are extremely good reasons to hate Reddit which don’t apply here. For example, the Lemmy admins don’t regard the users with abject hatred

aeshna_cyanea@lemm.ee on 11 Apr 06:32 collapse

Bluesky’s algorithm is entirely optional and replaceable with user built algorithms

Buelldozer@lemmy.today on 10 Apr 19:13 next collapse

It’s pretty easy in both places actually, just don’t talk about politics.

Turns out our Grandparents were pretty damn smart with that “Don’t talk about Religion and Politics” rule.

dumbluck@midwest.social on 10 Apr 19:47 next collapse

“Three things you should never talk about at work: politics, religion, and seggs.” Ageless advice.

zarkanian@sh.itjust.works on 11 Apr 00:29 collapse

And if I were using a work account, I’d agree with you.

Arkouda@lemmy.ca on 10 Apr 20:46 collapse

Your Grandparents had a Nazi problem that was never resolved as a result of “Not talking politics”. One cannot resolve bad politics or religion by ignoring it until it goes away.

deathbird@mander.xyz on 10 Apr 23:01 collapse

Agree that BlueSky is trash, but it’s more of a shitlib echo chamber. I agree though that the problem is largely intrinsic to the structure. Public microblogging and its consequences have been a disaster for humanity etc.

grrgyle@slrpnk.net on 11 Apr 00:24 collapse

Funny you mention that, I was just reading this 2019 article on starbreaker about the hard limits of public microblogging as we’ve been reproducing it over and over, even here on the fediverse.

It’s kind of got under my skin.

Sunshine@lemmy.ca on 10 Apr 19:25 next collapse

Same thing happened with Proton.

cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 10 Apr 19:37 collapse

proton did it to themselves by embracing the us and their fascist leader.

mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 10 Apr 20:19 next collapse

And the CEO just did it again, because apparently it wasn’t enough backlash the first time.

vimmiewimmie@lemm.ee on 10 Apr 20:52 next collapse

Yoowut, link?

thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe on 10 Apr 21:05 next collapse

Oh lord, what now ?

Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 10 Apr 21:09 next collapse

Source?

mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 10 Apr 21:19 collapse

It’s in French, but here’s a link:
www.watson.ch/fr/!884988581

Basically, Yen did an interview for Watson (a magazine) where he talked about the swedish government encroaching on encryption. He got political when he started talking about how all of the Swedish government officials were useless bureaucrats, and praised the US government’s methods instead.

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Miaou@jlai.lu on 10 Apr 22:00 next collapse

You’re gonna need a bettet source than that, because this article and your comment say very different things. Why do people upvote comments like this one?

pelespirit@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 22:38 next collapse

The Switzerland part:

There are three problems to be insulated. First of all, by extending the scope to a larger number of companies than was previously regulated for a few telecommunications giants, a massive expansion of Switzerland’s surveillance state is in fact being carried out.

There have been cases where we have seen demands against climate activists in France, we have seen situations where Catalan independence leaders have been unfairly targeted. I have many other examples that are not yet public about inappropriate targeting by the SCPT Service, which does not make any verification.

Switzerland is not a favourable land for tech start-ups? The Swiss start-up ecosystem is now more competitive than Germany, more competitive than the EU, more competitive than the US itself. But with this consultation, we are making it much less attractive by imposing massive obligations and burdens on small businesses that do not have the resources to do so.

I couldn’t find the US is awesome part though.

dubyakay@lemmy.ca on 10 Apr 23:38 next collapse

mic_check_one_two did not mention anything related to Switzerland. They’ve mentioned Sweden.

peteyestee@feddit.org on 11 Apr 02:15 collapse

That’s because he said it in swedish.

RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 22:42 next collapse

Because reading articles is hard, better to blindly trust a headline and summary comment. People on Lemmy wouldn’t lie to me, would they?

WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works on 11 Apr 03:56 collapse

they would surely fear the shame their names would get if it turned out they were lying, don’t you think?

WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works on 11 Apr 03:51 collapse

because they don’t read it. has a source? must be true!

cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml on 10 Apr 22:13 collapse

Where does that article say anything like that? I could find neither a mention of Sweden nor of the US.

glitchdx@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 02:51 collapse

and yet all those “use eu tech” charts always recommend proton products

DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social on 11 Apr 03:04 collapse

It’s weird. It’s like there’s some kind of paid advertising campaign using bots who are never seen outside of shilling their company for some reason.

SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org on 10 Apr 21:06 collapse

I assume that’s the VPN proton and not the linux compatibility layer proton, right?

StickyPickle@lemmy.ml on 10 Apr 21:22 collapse

Correct proton.me email/VPN/drive’s CEO Andy Yen

xcancel.com/andyyen/status/1864436449942110660

techstory.in/proton-mail-faces-backlash-over-clai…

news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42837181

Andy used proton’s official accounts to voice his political stances for the regime. They have since retracted the statement but it’s still worrying to say the least and something to keep an eye on if you use their services.

I’ve been using them for years and don’t think it’s quite time to jump ship because it is the best option for me, but I’m keeping a close eye to see if it worsens and starts affecting the company in a negative manner.

cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 10 Apr 19:37 next collapse

adobe will charge you $20 a month to read their skeets then charge a $100 cancellation fee if you want to stop following them.

jsomae@lemmy.ml on 10 Apr 20:15 next collapse

what are skeets

1luv8008135@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 20:17 next collapse

I’m guessing blue sky version of tweets

slappypantsgo@lemm.ee on 11 Apr 00:45 collapse

That’s correct. It’s stupid so I just say tweets.

phoenixz@lemmy.ca on 10 Apr 20:18 next collapse

Apparently tweets, but on bluesky

Twinklebreeze@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 21:13 collapse

The CEO asked people not to make skeets catch on, so of course that’s the word for them.

zarkanian@sh.itjust.works on 11 Apr 00:27 collapse

My skeets always catch on.

exasperation@lemm.ee on 10 Apr 20:55 next collapse

Slang term for ejaculating, usually with some projectile distance implied. Very popular term in the mid-2000’s, see Get Low by Lil Jon.

Coreidan@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 21:08 collapse

Skeet skeet motha fucka

Vandals_handle@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 01:23 collapse

Skeets ahead or behind?

Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 21:55 collapse

Tweets, but BSky. It’s gross on purpose because the devs didn’t want it to catch on and they Streisand’d. They’ve since embraced it lmao.

peteyestee@feddit.org on 11 Apr 02:13 collapse

It’s $20 for the readers bundle, $1289 per year if you want to see photos and comment.

SethTaylor@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 19:48 next collapse

I’ve replaced my Adobe Audition with Reaper. I do recommend it

BassTurd@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 20:03 next collapse

I didn’t, but I do want more people to switch to Reaper so that they can get more money and keep getting better.

sirico@feddit.uk on 10 Apr 20:47 collapse

Finally lost my reaper purchase after nearly 15 years. Remember when buying it at uni thinking of been a bit hard done by I was only supported till like version 7

Wimster@europe.pub on 10 Apr 20:54 next collapse

Ooooo nostalgia. Who remembers the time of Aldus Freehand and Aldus Pagemaker, Quark XPress and Ventura Publisher. Those where the days :-) 😍

AustralianSimon@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 21:40 next collapse

I know Adobe is a dick of a company but all this event shows is how toxic Bluesky is. Seems the toxicity joined them from X.

spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 10 Apr 22:33 next collapse

I don’t necessarily agree that this means blue sky is toxic (and I’m speaking as someone who doesn’t use the app), I see it as a toxic company finding out what people think of them.

As you noted adobe is a dick (and that’s one hell of an understatement), and they regularly make anti-consumer choices with their software and pricing. This is just them seeing what you’ve been ignoring for a decade or more.

Maybe the multi billion dollar company should grow subscribe to my monthly subscription to thicker skin.

AustralianSimon@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 00:13 collapse

I reckon it would have been far sweeter if they were completely ignored IMHO. 1000% more brutal. Toxic people tend to need to put it out there.

zarkanian@sh.itjust.works on 11 Apr 00:23 collapse

No shit. It’s like people who join Lemmy and then complain when it’s too much like reddit. The design of the platform determines what kind of community you get. People on Bluesky are going to bully corpos because that’s what they did on Twitter, and both of those platforms make it really, really easy.

AustralianSimon@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 07:56 collapse

My point is the claimed narrative it isn’t as bad as X. To me it seems the only difference is the person running the show.

But then you look at mastodon instances and there is no where near that level of behaviour.

Hell Lemmy is pretty civil if you block hexbear.

slacktoid@lemmy.ml on 10 Apr 21:58 next collapse

We should all be bullying companies more… Less bullying people and more bullying companies and orgs!!

Yes people make up a company blah blah blah… Don’t care. Just don’t bully the people working there.

SpicyColdFartChamber@lemm.ee on 10 Apr 22:59 next collapse

And billionaires, especially the Nazis variety.

I quite enjoyed Elon getting bullied over POE2 stream.

Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee on 10 Apr 23:44 next collapse

Followed by his Starlink connection dropping out.

slacktoid@lemmy.ml on 11 Apr 01:36 next collapse

Oh Nazis deserve to just be punched (nonstop).

You heard the time Elon was told to go back to Africa. That was hilarious.

rottingleaf@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 05:00 next collapse

You heard the time Elon was told to go back to Africa.

Yessir

Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 11 Apr 05:22 next collapse

An old meme once said: <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/pictrs/image/1bafb022-fd6b-4abf-bbef-049d909f6a8e.webp">

SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 12 Apr 08:54 collapse

The only good nazi…

KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml on 12 Apr 16:35 collapse
DontMakeMoreBabies@lemm.ee on 11 Apr 03:03 next collapse

huh I definitely didn’t delete this

Cocodapuf@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 12:35 next collapse

So, cyberbullying and toxic gamer communities are very much a thing and definitely a problem, but I have to admit, that story really did make day… I laughed for a while, I shared it with my neighbors, it’s still fucking funny!

You know, the thing is… the whole mess was entirely Elon’s fault. If he just wanted an escape from his stressful life, he could totally just play the game and it would work out fine for him. But because he felt the narcissistic need to live stream it (because he apparently desperately needs others to tell him how awesome he is), he got his stupid face kicked into the mud. And that’s really on him…

LanguageIsCool@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 17:14 collapse

There’s definitely a power dynamic aspect to bullying. Bullying down? Or bullying another shmoe? Not great. Bullying a rich powerful asshole? Different story.

barneypiccolo@lemm.ee on 12 Apr 12:37 collapse

Bullying a bully is not bullying.

yourgodlucifer@sh.itjust.works on 10 Apr 23:59 next collapse

Every company I’ve ever worked for deserves to be bullied.

Honestly that’s letting the bastards running those companies get off light

zarkanian@sh.itjust.works on 11 Apr 00:14 next collapse

Just don’t bully the people working there.

What if they’re C-suite

slacktoid@lemmy.ml on 11 Apr 01:24 next collapse

They aren’t people, they are demons. So my rule still stands 🤣

JargonWagon@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 01:31 collapse

Key word is “working” people. C-Suite don’t work, just tell others to work.

Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 11 Apr 05:17 next collapse

The leadership (is supposed to) represent the people, the people do not represent the leadership. Israelis do not represent the Israeli government. Employees of a Meta subsidiary do not represent Meta, Facebook, or Zuckerberg. Don’t attack McDonald’s employees because the burger is more expensive, YouTube employees because the content preys on children or residents/soldiers of a country because the government decides to mobilise its army against another community. Employees are just victims of capitalism, just working there because they must, irrespective of politics.

slacktoid@lemmy.ml on 11 Apr 16:45 collapse

Well yeah I said leave the people working there alone and target the corp or org. And my reasons are what you just outlined in great detail. They are victims of capitalism.

Skellysgirl@lemm.ee on 11 Apr 12:19 collapse

Who do you think should be next?

slacktoid@lemmy.ml on 11 Apr 16:43 collapse

Boycott all shitty companies… We make a list and we keep adding shitty companies to the list and present a list of alternatives.

Skellysgirl@lemm.ee on 12 Apr 20:36 collapse

I am really staring to detest most of the biggies. Amazon. Nestle, google. I’m not even American and I think the health companies need hounding.

slacktoid@lemmy.ml on 12 Apr 20:55 collapse

I’ve spent a good portion of the past 5 years detangling my life from them. The unfortunate hard one I face is amazon.

All companies need hounding in this hypercapitalist situation we have found ourselves into.

Skellysgirl@lemm.ee on 13 Apr 07:00 collapse

Amazon has been the easiest to get rid of for me. I just stopped buying shit. I’d rather do without than continue supporting this. My Alexa’s got dumped. I just need to replace my firestick and I am done.

slacktoid@lemmy.ml on 13 Apr 09:10 collapse

Its the subscriptions, it makes my monthly stuff easier to manage. Other grocery stores have merged anyway so it’s kinda watching 2 monsters fight, either way we are fucked lol. Alexa I get that. The firestick is decent hardware for the price you can try side loading Kodi and using that to bypass all their amazon BS. That way you get their subsidized hardware and avoid their ads.

Skellysgirl@lemm.ee on 14 Apr 07:57 collapse

Do you think we need a crusade group? I noticed a story about a tent group making money out of the camps earlier. Maybe we can all torment them. Happy to give a portion of my day bullying corps.

slacktoid@lemmy.ml on 14 Apr 13:44 collapse

Elaborate?

redwattlebird@lemmings.world on 10 Apr 22:42 next collapse

Time to test out Armor Paint this weekend then.

cley_faye@lemmy.world on 10 Apr 23:12 next collapse

They started it by pretending to want to connect with artists.

Ledericas@lemm.ee on 11 Apr 02:29 collapse

by charging them alot for using thier services.

Muehe@lemmy.ml on 10 Apr 23:15 next collapse

<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/e9cdf257-dc58-4bc4-a6a8-d745732ed90c.png">

I see you there random Krita user! Shill baby, shill!

Video Source on Bluesky

grrgyle@slrpnk.net on 11 Apr 00:03 collapse

#adobyephotoslop

Roffflllll

cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 11 Apr 00:52 next collapse

i like how i didn’t even know they were on bsky because they’re already added to the The Great AI/NFT/CRYPTO Cull blocklist.

WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works on 11 Apr 03:39 collapse

great, cant view it because it wants me to log in…

WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works on 11 Apr 03:44 next collapse

heh, not a local problem, even archive.org captured it: web.archive.org/web/…/3jxwojift2y2n

fuck you, bluesky! knew all the time you are not a little bit better than twitter & co

aeshna_cyanea@lemm.ee on 11 Apr 06:14 collapse

It’s not “it” that wants you to log in, the devs created the site to be entirely public. but users demanded an option to hide their profiles from logged out users. Any hidden posts are because the user explicitly set the flag in their own settings

The api endpoints are still public btw. Third party clients can see these profiles just fine :| not a fan of that decision tbh

WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works on 11 Apr 06:32 collapse

if that is the case the site should really do communicate that better. on another post I have seen a warning in the post body that the user’s setting makes it hidden. I understand that. but here? I’m just greated with a login wall exactly like on twitter or facebook, with no communication whatsoever, other than “log in or pound sand”

MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 11 Apr 01:29 next collapse

Ha ha!

Skellysgirl@lemm.ee on 11 Apr 06:07 next collapse

Thanks just spent a lot tow time over telling Adobe where to go. Great way to vent. Whose next?

WhatSay@slrpnk.net on 11 Apr 06:11 next collapse

These days, bullying is used for good.

Mwa@lemm.ee on 11 Apr 06:59 next collapse

Greatjob Bluesky, One less Adobe monopoly

kepix@lemmy.world on 11 Apr 13:56 next collapse

im still rockin a cs6 version. works fine on w11ltsc. fuck the cloud and fuck ai.

tiramichu@lemm.ee on 12 Apr 10:32 next collapse

I remember reading a story a while back about someone who owned a legit CS version with a proper serial and activation.

They had to change computer, and in doing so had to reactivate Photoshop, but it wasn’t working. They contacted Adobe support and explained the situation but support basically told him nope, not a chance, we aren’t helping you. You need to subscribe to new Photoshop.

So Adobe accepted that yes, he bought a perpetual licence for Photoshop and that yes, the reason it isn’t working is the online activation, but they still refused to help.

Scumbags.

kepix@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 11:31 collapse

yupp, its not possible anymore. you have to crack your your own bought photoshop.

octobob@lemmy.ml on 12 Apr 14:09 collapse

I have to open PDFs all day long at work to read our schematics. No I don’t want an “AI assistant” or an “AI summary” on drawings of electrical wiring. And I need to close multiple menus to get rid of them, and the only option is “disable for this session”, no way to permanently turn them off

blixtuwu@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 12 Apr 07:43 next collapse

I was so happy to help in ensuring it ocurred

MITM0@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 08:08 next collapse

Is it possible to learn such sorcery ?

Litebit@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 11:39 next collapse

What would be a good alternative to Adobe After Effects ? Something that works in the same way.

glowing_hans@sopuli.xyz on 12 Apr 12:25 collapse

I only used kdenlive an open source Video editor, I do not know how similar it is to AE though. With kdenlive I can …

  • cut and arange video snippets in a timeline
  • apply effects like transform/lens (many more) to video
  • I can apply simple audio effects with the pitch effect, or generate white noise. Slow down Video
  • they have AI-effects and audio editing in their roadmap

Sounds similar to AE from what I read on its wiki entry

jerkface@lemmy.ca on 12 Apr 14:01 next collapse

I use Blender for video editing, and as long as I never use another video editing package, I am sure to remain perfectly happy with Blender.

pajam@lemmy.world on 12 Apr 14:14 next collapse

That is a video editor much like Adobe Premier or Final Cut Pro, so would not be a replacement for AE. After Effects is essentially Photoshop but with motion and animation. It’s mostly for VFX and Motion Graphics. Not video editing or audio.

jerkface@lemmy.ca on 12 Apr 14:23 collapse

I use Blender for that, too. Anything I don’t do in Blender I probably do in emacs…

Litebit@lemmy.world on 13 Apr 10:51 collapse

Thanks for sharing, This might be good enough in the future looking at the roadmap.

glowing_hans@sopuli.xyz on 12 Apr 12:18 next collapse

Why dont they get bullied on X as well?

LiveLM@lemmy.zip on 12 Apr 16:07 collapse

Consider X’s current audience and you’ll have your answer

OverTheFiniteSun@lemmy.ca on 13 Apr 02:38 collapse

Deserved. Fuck Adobe!