Yeah seriously, China making a smart decision for once? What the fuck? Broken clocks, I suppose.
This needs to be a worldwide thing. We’re raising a generation of idiots because of engagement algorithms. Something needs to be done about it, or we’re going to be in serious trouble once Gen Alpha gets old enough to vote.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net
on 05 May 03:47
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And my point is that certain viewpoints are already being censored on the major platforms.
Say something anti-MAGA on YouTube the next time you get a chance, then load the page in an incognito window. You’ll notice that your comment is nowhere to be found. Check your comment history, and you’ll see a “some activity might not be visible yet” message at the top. Yet anything praising Trump gets to stay.
Google/Meta/etc.are dangerous entities that are poisoning kids’ minds with conservative propaganda, and no one seems to notice or care. Something needs to be done.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net
on 05 May 04:47
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These laws are about censoring LGBT stuff, you think the MAGAs would do anything about MAGA propaganda?
I’ve been on the internet since like 1992 and I’ve never once capitalized it, and I don’t think I’ve ever seen it capitalized. shrug
TheDarksteel94@sopuli.xyz
on 04 May 06:36
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Why would it be capitalized? There’s only a few words in the English language, that are capitalized. And “internet” isn’t one of them, as it’s just a normal noun.
If Acme and FooCorp create a bridge between their private network spaces, it’s an internet (common noun) but not the Internet (proper noun, referring to the one with Goatse).
Let’s find an English teacher. And yell at them for forcing us to read the same terrible novel in both 10th and 12th grades. Maybe after that, return to this subject.
You and I are posting on the Fediverse right now (capital F). If I create two of my own personal Lemmy instances that only federate with each other, they're not a part of the Fediverse. I've now created my own fediverse (lower-case F). The Fediverse is a fediverse, but not all fediverses are the Fediverse.
Same with internet and Internet. There is the main, collective Internet that we all know and use daily, but it's one of many internets.
an internet is a descriptor of two or more interconnected networks. The Internet is a proper noun which should actually be capital ‘T’ he capital ‘I’ nternet. You have “an internet” like ‘a universe’ and ‘The Internet’ like ‘The Universe.’
‘The Internet.’ You are almost correct, an internet is a descriptor of two or more interconnected networks. The Internet is a proper noun which should actually be capital ‘T’ he capital ‘I’ nternet. You have “an internet” like ‘a universe’ and ‘The Internet’ like ‘The Universe.’
DarkCloud@lemmy.world
on 04 May 06:03
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They probably saw the Russian culture war brain rot play out with American youth and decided to have a circuit breaker.
Behind the Bastards has an episode about how YouTube went right wing to create site engagement and an anger economy, and an episode about Facebook doing thr same for boomers.
Some governments are looking into limiting those influences.
It’s not only the US that got hit by that russian campaign to mess with youths and even younger children. Europe for its fair share as well. It also plays into their “oh look at the degenerate west” playbook perfectly.
They’re responsible for so much damage that I have no idea how it’ll end. Not even children with tech savvy parents are immune, as I can attest to myself.
It’s important as fuck to have discussions about bad content to children ass soon as they get any kind of screen available to them, and it should never ever be a babysitter unless it’s under controlled circumstances.
It’s also a good idea to start teaching your children how any tech they use works and what happens under the hood if they’re interested. They’re certainly less likely to get influenced by any bad actors if they know what’s what.
The rest of the world needs to learn from the US’s failure like this ASAP. I think Europe might already be doomed judging by the way the UK and Germany are going, but others might be able to swerve to avoid a fascist future with the right moves.
I completely agree Internet should be regulated especially for children. Should be done in Europe as well. But of course this regulation should not be misused for propaganda.
melroy@kbin.melroy.org
on 04 May 09:22
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Look I will be clear to you. You can not have a free and open internet and governments unable to misuse their power to shutdown websites, information whenever they please. And at the same time regulate the internet "to protect the children". You can't have both at the same time.
A tiny niche that’s only accessible to people who know how the internet works. Ask your regular Joe if they’ve even ever heard of the Fediverse. Kids will flock to the easiest accessible and largest platforms. Not Lemmy. And even Lemmy would be toxic for kids.
Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world
on 04 May 12:36
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This is really good point. The internet has been completely taken over by American oligarch gangs, on an outcome basis it’s not too far from internet censorship China (just implemented via alternative means).
Its not really something kids can do though. The overwhelming majority of parents neither. Hell, I consider myself somewhat tech savvy, but I’m just starting on that journey.
I have no idea what a good regulation might look like, but just letting techbros do whatever they want is not an option.
It’s not the 90s; we don’t have a free and open internet anymore.
The vast majority of the web is run by a handful of corporations. Something needs to be done, and I think that preventing children from getting access to websites owned by evil companies like Google/Alphabet, Elon Musk, and Meta/Facebook is a good start.
Well this kind of regulation needs to be democratically. So there need to be independent institutions who regulate. The Same way like the law, police and politics is independent from each other.
If we keep the Internet “free” this means the Internet will be controlled by corporations like meta, Google and tiktok and thus by undemocratic billionaires. And also networks like these Russian fake news propaganda will control the narrative and so indirectly control our society.
I agree with you that regulating the Internet and thus the media need to be balanced against freedom. But if we do not regulate the internet than democracy is doomed.
Internet is controlled by corporates like meta, Google, tiktok right now. In other words the undemocratic billionaires control the power. And also networks like the Russian bot farms spread fake news and destabilize our society. Parents can not do much about it.
Democracy is doomed if the Internet is not regulated in a way.
Parents can invoke minors mode with a single click and set usage time limits. Devices set to minors mode will even remind users to take breaks, and collect stats so parents can make sure their offspring are surfing the web in an age-appropriate and socialist fashion.
This sounds awesome. This isn’t the weird shit like some states in the US have for determining if you can log into porn, or South Koreas weird government-login-page-in-everything scheme, it’s part of the parent’s family plan for their kid they can turn on/off.
I realize there’s worrying undertones (that already exist on the Chinese internet regardless) but the actual feature as-is seems like the ideal for this sort of thing.
Seems like that’s exactly what this is, it’s a mode that you turn on on the phone and it uses a government supplied list of vetted websites for the kid to visit.
Interestingly the way this feature set reads out is exactly the same way that Nintendo’s parental controls work.
I realize that this being the Chinese government, them keeping usage stats has connotations that go beyond the data itself… But in a country with a more liberal government I’d rather have them keep records of my kids’ internet usage than a private company. The idea being that you can pass protections around that data. (Not that that seems to be stopping the current US government so maybe that’s a pipe dream).
Ideal is, of course, completely on your own hardware (the device or your server at home), but between this and a system where Apple/Google/Nintendo does all this instead I’d prefer the government method.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 04 May 23:06
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government supplied list
Does the government know which sites users attempted to access? Or is it strictly a static list with everything handled on the device?
But in a country with a more liberal government I’d rather have them keep records of my kids’ internet usage than a private company.
I’d rather neither. Why does the supplier need usage stats? Just provide a list and keep it at that, with an option to request a site be allowed through (that obviously would go to the supplier).
But maybe that’s me in the US speaking. I don’t trust my government with that information, and I also don’t trust countries I visit to have that info either.
between this and a system where Apple/Google/Nintendo does all this instead I’d prefer the government method.
I don’t really have a preference since I reject both as unacceptable. I prefer my approach: no filters, and I only provide access to devices if I trust my kids to follow the rules, and if I catch them breaking the rules, they lose access to the device.
I suspect you don’t have kids? Most schools require a laptop (usually Chromebooks). What do you do then other than parental controls?
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 06 May 00:30
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I do. Our school issues Chromebooks for use at school (supervised), and my kids use my regular computer for anything at home (Linux) without any filters but under supervision.
RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world
on 04 May 22:46
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I could have sworn that a few months ago it was on the news that the government restricted all online stuff like video games, to only a few hours a week or something for minors?
But don’t worry, folks in the free world, this won’t apply to you! Douyin (Tiktok in China) may restrict what kids see, but Tiktok abroad will still serve up to your tween daughter videos that tell her if she isn’t pretty enough, she might as well kill herself.
underline960@sh.itjust.works
on 05 May 02:56
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I see a lot of well-meaning support for this. I can’t help but think there has to be a way to implement these kinds of controls without taking power away from the user.
Like the Fediverse implementing better mod tools rather than expecting Twitter to effectively moderate the internet.
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Yeah seriously, China making a smart decision for once? What the fuck? Broken clocks, I suppose.
This needs to be a worldwide thing. We’re raising a generation of idiots because of engagement algorithms. Something needs to be done about it, or we’re going to be in serious trouble once Gen Alpha gets old enough to vote.
This isn’t for the kid’s benefit you know
Yeah but it’s a great idea if executed correctly by a developed country. (i.e. not China)
The point is censorship of viewpoints
And my point is that certain viewpoints are already being censored on the major platforms.
Say something anti-MAGA on YouTube the next time you get a chance, then load the page in an incognito window. You’ll notice that your comment is nowhere to be found. Check your comment history, and you’ll see a “some activity might not be visible yet” message at the top. Yet anything praising Trump gets to stay.
Google/Meta/etc.are dangerous entities that are poisoning kids’ minds with conservative propaganda, and no one seems to notice or care. Something needs to be done.
These laws are about censoring LGBT stuff, you think the MAGAs would do anything about MAGA propaganda?
I don’t mean this as an insult, but do you have autism?
Again, I’m not talking about copying exactly what China is doing; simply that it would be a good idea if implemented properly.
Yes, and I don’t support censorship even if it’s aimed at kids (they always start with the kids first)
And again, the major platforms already are engaging in censorship. I’m merely suggesting that we do something about it.
I hope you realize that talking to you is fatiguing. For your sake I hope you’re not this annoying to have a conversation with in person.
I hear they are very good at execution too!
You don’t want kids to research, let’s say controversial, content of CCP wrongs and critism of policies ofc. Totally a smart move
I can't take seriously articles about the Internet that don't even capitalize "Internet" correctly.
I’ve been on the internet since like 1992 and I’ve never once capitalized it, and I don’t think I’ve ever seen it capitalized. shrug
Why would it be capitalized? There’s only a few words in the English language, that are capitalized. And “internet” isn’t one of them, as it’s just a normal noun.
I suspect it could be seen as a proper noun.
If Acme and FooCorp create a bridge between their private network spaces, it’s an internet (common noun) but not the Internet (proper noun, referring to the one with Goatse).
Let’s find an English teacher. And yell at them for forcing us to read the same terrible novel in both 10th and 12th grades. Maybe after that, return to this subject.
You and I are posting on the Fediverse right now (capital F). If I create two of my own personal Lemmy instances that only federate with each other, they're not a part of the Fediverse. I've now created my own fediverse (lower-case F). The Fediverse is a fediverse, but not all fediverses are the Fediverse.
Same with internet and Internet. There is the main, collective Internet that we all know and use daily, but it's one of many internets.
Thank you.
en.m.wikipedia.org/…/Capitalization_of_Internet
The direction of travel is towards “internet” (lowercase), but pedants gonna pedant.
‘The Internet.’ You are almost correct, an internet is a descriptor of two or more interconnected networks. The Internet is a proper noun which should actually be capital ‘T’ he capital ‘I’ nternet. You have “an internet” like ‘a universe’ and ‘The Internet’ like ‘The Universe.’
They probably saw the Russian culture war brain rot play out with American youth and decided to have a circuit breaker.
Behind the Bastards has an episode about how YouTube went right wing to create site engagement and an anger economy, and an episode about Facebook doing thr same for boomers.
Some governments are looking into limiting those influences.
EDIT: oh yeah, China might also be protecting children from hearing about the periodic stabbing attacks that happen at schools over there. Forgot about those.
They already have the GFW and state control of the media.
It’s not only the US that got hit by that russian campaign to mess with youths and even younger children. Europe for its fair share as well. It also plays into their “oh look at the degenerate west” playbook perfectly.
They’re responsible for so much damage that I have no idea how it’ll end. Not even children with tech savvy parents are immune, as I can attest to myself.
It’s important as fuck to have discussions about bad content to children ass soon as they get any kind of screen available to them, and it should never ever be a babysitter unless it’s under controlled circumstances.
It’s also a good idea to start teaching your children how any tech they use works and what happens under the hood if they’re interested. They’re certainly less likely to get influenced by any bad actors if they know what’s what.
The rest of the world needs to learn from the US’s failure like this ASAP. I think Europe might already be doomed judging by the way the UK and Germany are going, but others might be able to swerve to avoid a fascist future with the right moves.
I completely agree Internet should be regulated especially for children. Should be done in Europe as well. But of course this regulation should not be misused for propaganda.
Look I will be clear to you. You can not have a free and open internet and governments unable to misuse their power to shutdown websites, information whenever they please. And at the same time regulate the internet "to protect the children". You can't have both at the same time.
The internet is firmly in the grasp of mega corporations. There is no free internet anymore. This shit needs to be regulated.
I guess we don’t exist, then
A tiny niche that’s only accessible to people who know how the internet works. Ask your regular Joe if they’ve even ever heard of the Fediverse. Kids will flock to the easiest accessible and largest platforms. Not Lemmy. And even Lemmy would be toxic for kids.
This is really good point. The internet has been completely taken over by American oligarch gangs, on an outcome basis it’s not too far from internet censorship China (just implemented via alternative means).
I run my own service all hosted on my own infrastructure. And fully independent from other big corps. No cloud. No cloudflare etc.
More people should do that, but do not tell me to just give up and hand me over, and fully regulate the internet. Then we are doomed for sure.
Its not really something kids can do though. The overwhelming majority of parents neither. Hell, I consider myself somewhat tech savvy, but I’m just starting on that journey.
I have no idea what a good regulation might look like, but just letting techbros do whatever they want is not an option.
It’s not the 90s; we don’t have a free and open internet anymore.
The vast majority of the web is run by a handful of corporations. Something needs to be done, and I think that preventing children from getting access to websites owned by evil companies like Google/Alphabet, Elon Musk, and Meta/Facebook is a good start.
Well this kind of regulation needs to be democratically. So there need to be independent institutions who regulate. The Same way like the law, police and politics is independent from each other.
If we keep the Internet “free” this means the Internet will be controlled by corporations like meta, Google and tiktok and thus by undemocratic billionaires. And also networks like these Russian fake news propaganda will control the narrative and so indirectly control our society.
I agree with you that regulating the Internet and thus the media need to be balanced against freedom. But if we do not regulate the internet than democracy is doomed.
Parents need to do their fucking jobs and keep their shithead kids out of my business.
Not to mention parents staying the fuck out of other parent’s business.
Don’t bring state violence down on other people because you don’t want to watch your own damn kids.
There we go... This is the only correct answer here!
Internet is controlled by corporates like meta, Google, tiktok right now. In other words the undemocratic billionaires control the power. And also networks like the Russian bot farms spread fake news and destabilize our society. Parents can not do much about it.
Democracy is doomed if the Internet is not regulated in a way.
This sounds awesome. This isn’t the weird shit like some states in the US have for determining if you can log into porn, or South Koreas weird government-login-page-in-everything scheme, it’s part of the parent’s family plan for their kid they can turn on/off.
I realize there’s worrying undertones (that already exist on the Chinese internet regardless) but the actual feature as-is seems like the ideal for this sort of thing.
Sounds like screentime.
Is that an app or what?
What’s a screentime?
support.apple.com/en-us/108806
US can’t even pass a federal data privacy law
Age gating porn doesn’t sound very weird to me. Methods can be pretty shit though
Imagine if the US did this lmao
But who is collecting the stats?
Here are my issues with this:
There are internet filters you can buy already that the user controls. Why not just use that?
Seems like that’s exactly what this is, it’s a mode that you turn on on the phone and it uses a government supplied list of vetted websites for the kid to visit.
Interestingly the way this feature set reads out is exactly the same way that Nintendo’s parental controls work.
I realize that this being the Chinese government, them keeping usage stats has connotations that go beyond the data itself… But in a country with a more liberal government I’d rather have them keep records of my kids’ internet usage than a private company. The idea being that you can pass protections around that data. (Not that that seems to be stopping the current US government so maybe that’s a pipe dream).
Ideal is, of course, completely on your own hardware (the device or your server at home), but between this and a system where Apple/Google/Nintendo does all this instead I’d prefer the government method.
Does the government know which sites users attempted to access? Or is it strictly a static list with everything handled on the device?
I’d rather neither. Why does the supplier need usage stats? Just provide a list and keep it at that, with an option to request a site be allowed through (that obviously would go to the supplier).
But maybe that’s me in the US speaking. I don’t trust my government with that information, and I also don’t trust countries I visit to have that info either.
I don’t really have a preference since I reject both as unacceptable. I prefer my approach: no filters, and I only provide access to devices if I trust my kids to follow the rules, and if I catch them breaking the rules, they lose access to the device.
I suspect you don’t have kids? Most schools require a laptop (usually Chromebooks). What do you do then other than parental controls?
I do. Our school issues Chromebooks for use at school (supervised), and my kids use my regular computer for anything at home (Linux) without any filters but under supervision.
I could have sworn that a few months ago it was on the news that the government restricted all online stuff like video games, to only a few hours a week or something for minors?
I think that was the draft proposal for this.
They can’t log on after 8pm or something like that?
Looking up more information about this I found a much less sensationalized analysis on this from the UofC:
cjil.uchicago.edu/…/kids-no-phones-dinner-table-a…
But don’t worry, folks in the free world, this won’t apply to you! Douyin (Tiktok in China) may restrict what kids see, but Tiktok abroad will still serve up to your tween daughter videos that tell her if she isn’t pretty enough, she might as well kill herself.
I see a lot of well-meaning support for this. I can’t help but think there has to be a way to implement these kinds of controls without taking power away from the user.
Like the Fediverse implementing better mod tools rather than expecting Twitter to effectively moderate the internet.
Yeah but CCP wouldn’t like this because it faces uncomfortable truths like a controlling dictatorship is the only reason for the firewall.