George Carlin’s Daughter Blasts Dudesy AI-Generated Comedy Special Impersonating Her Dad: “No Machine Will Ever Replace His Genius” (deadline.com)
from return2ozma@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 11 Jan 2024 20:45
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steve_floof@lemm.ee on 11 Jan 2024 21:00 next collapse

But she doesn’t blast it on her speakers because it isn’t funny

AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 11 Jan 2024 21:20 next collapse

Do you think we’re headed towards a future like the Matrix or more like the Terminator?

[deleted] on 11 Jan 2024 21:22 next collapse

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MimicJar@lemmy.world on 11 Jan 2024 21:29 next collapse

Ah, so Wall-e.

AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 11 Jan 2024 21:50 next collapse

I don’t think so. I haven’t even seen Heat, Logan’s Run, or Pan’s Labyrinth.

Kolanaki@yiffit.net on 11 Jan 2024 22:44 collapse

My crystal ball says Muppet Treasure Island. Sick.

AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Jan 2024 00:06 collapse

No, I’ve seen that one.

Neato@ttrpg.network on 11 Jan 2024 22:37 collapse

You’re right. It’ll definitely be more like Equilibrium.

[deleted] on 12 Jan 2024 01:36 collapse

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zarkanian@sh.itjust.works on 11 Jan 2024 21:32 next collapse

This scenario wasn’t in either movie. This is more like something out of Time Gate.

AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 11 Jan 2024 21:50 next collapse

Does that one have a happy ending?

zarkanian@sh.itjust.works on 12 Jan 2024 01:46 collapse

I didn’t know. I never finished it. I’m kinda curious now, though.

Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world on 12 Jan 2024 00:02 collapse

What’s Time Gate?

zarkanian@sh.itjust.works on 12 Jan 2024 01:39 collapse

It’s a sci-fi setting where AI is used to “resurrect” famous dead people, and there’s a virtual world where all of these famous people can interact. So, you could have a synthetic Socrates debating a synthetic Mark Twain, for example.

I thought it was ridiculous, but it really looks like that’s the way we’re headed now.

ivanafterall@kbin.social on 11 Jan 2024 21:41 next collapse

I'm still holding out for Weird Science.

damndotcommie@lemmy.basedcount.com on 11 Jan 2024 21:43 collapse

You mean the chick with the big big titties?

ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world on 11 Jan 2024 21:42 next collapse

Still hoping for Stargate

Kolanaki@yiffit.net on 11 Jan 2024 22:43 collapse

Unlike the show, humanity would totally be enslaved by worm heads in like, a day.

ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world on 12 Jan 2024 06:34 collapse

Seems nice enough

gregorum@lemm.ee on 11 Jan 2024 21:46 next collapse

hoping for star trek future-- although that means the next 40-50 years will be pretty terrible.

AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 11 Jan 2024 21:52 next collapse

Well, it would be nice to think there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

gregorum@lemm.ee on 11 Jan 2024 21:55 next collapse

🖖 <-- that light

Nollij@sopuli.xyz on 12 Jan 2024 02:20 collapse

How many lights do you see?

FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world on 12 Jan 2024 02:38 next collapse

FOUR!

AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Jan 2024 12:22 collapse

Three. I hope that isn’t a train.

edit: I think it is a train.

hersh@literature.cafe on 11 Jan 2024 22:03 collapse

Bell Riots are coming this year. The Second American Civil War starts in 2026, which leads directly into WWIII.

From there, everything is pretty much terrible until warp drive is invented.

gregorum@lemm.ee on 11 Jan 2024 22:06 next collapse

it’s creepy how specific (and prophetic) the star trek writers were about our future. other than the Eugenics Wars not happening in the 90s, they’ve been pretty spot-on. let’s just hope that they’re right about April 5, 2063.

Nutteman@lemmy.world on 12 Jan 2024 03:04 collapse

No eugenics wars in the 90s? The Bosnia-Serbian conflict??

gregorum@lemm.ee on 12 Jan 2024 03:05 collapse

The one predicted in Star Trek had to do with genetically engineered Superman, trying to take over the world. So a little bit different than that.

Nutteman@lemmy.world on 12 Jan 2024 03:15 collapse

Classic Bosnian-Serbian conflict!!

nicetriangle@kbin.social on 12 Jan 2024 00:05 collapse

The Bell Riots story line is by far my fave DS9 arc. There’s a really good Terry Pratchett book with roughly the same concept that is also my favorite of his books. It’s called Night Watch.

FunkyMonk@kbin.social on 11 Jan 2024 22:08 next collapse

The Road.

scytale@lemm.ee on 11 Jan 2024 22:11 next collapse

Dune. There will be a butlerian jihad against thinking machines.

Neato@ttrpg.network on 11 Jan 2024 22:35 next collapse

Welp, there goes autocomplete on my phone.

dalekcaan@lemm.ee on 11 Jan 2024 23:33 next collapse

But at least we get drugs that let us see the future

AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Jan 2024 00:55 collapse

I must not fear… good advice for the future.

Kolanaki@yiffit.net on 11 Jan 2024 22:40 next collapse

Idiocracy.

AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Jan 2024 00:05 collapse

winner

Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug@lemmy.world on 11 Jan 2024 22:49 next collapse

I think it’ll be 90% idiocracy and 10% Capitalist Star Trek

Kolanaki@yiffit.net on 12 Jan 2024 01:53 collapse

Capitalist Star Trek

Is that a thing? I would like to see that.

Crashumbc@lemmy.world on 12 Jan 2024 02:28 collapse

Ferengie

Assman@sh.itjust.works on 12 Jan 2024 00:12 next collapse

We’ll be lucky to have any kind of future

ExLisper@linux.community on 12 Jan 2024 10:40 next collapse

Personally I think it will be like Beggars and Choosers.

kromem@lemmy.world on 12 Jan 2024 10:58 next collapse

I think people need to start realizing that it’s not just the past that’s prologue when the future involves recreating/resurrecting the past.

Yes, this isn’t as good as George Carlin. But it’s a little over a year from the AI generated Seinfeld loop on Twitch that was god awful.

Where is the tech going to be in five years? In ten? In fifty? Long after you and everyone you love are dead?

If you think no one gives a shit about how they use your data right now when you are alive, just how much less of a shit are they going to give when you are long dead and anyone who would litigate on your behalf is too?

It is increasingly becoming clear that our future is going to involve recreating the past based on the data left behind.

So it stands to reason that we may not be the original present, but a future recreation of it.

At the tail end of last year we had articles like The first minds to be controlled by generative AI will live inside video games.

Well, what would that look like? Knowing what else we do of building video games, we might imagine the world would be designed using procedural generation so you could have an entire universe with billions of planets if you wanted. But you’d need to convert from continuous functionally determined geometry to discrete units for the AI to interact with as its decisions would be external to your procgen so you’d need to individually track state changes from the AIs. Ideally you’d make that conversion optimized so if permanent information about the interaction was lost it would revert to save on memory.

So when we look at our own universe, where the smallest building blocks behave like they are determined by a continuous function until interacted with by free agents when they switch to behaving like discrete units - but then if we erase the information about the interaction they go back to behaving like continuous - maybe the ‘weirdness’ of that behavior was only weird because we hadn’t yet invented the parallel to which it bears similarity.

Einstein ridiculed a universe in which the moon didn’t exist if no one was looking at it, and yet every single video game ever made that has a moon has one that doesn’t exist if no one is looking at it.

The scale seems insane for a simulation to us, but our ability to simulate is constrained by the size of our universe’s building blocks. The idea of simulating Minecraft at it’s crap fidelity would seem unthinkable to NPCs within Minecraft. Our universe that behaves quantized at low fidelity behaves continuous at macro cosmic scales, and a continuous universe would have significantly greater computing ability than a quantized universe at our atomic scales.

TL;DR

No, it won’t be like The Matrix where human bodies are plugged into a simulation, nor will it be like Terminator where AI is at war with humans. It will eventually be like Westworld season 4 where thanks to the giant amounts of data gathered on humans for marketing and security purposes humanity will be able to be recreated in their respective times and places - simulated like in The Matrix but with nowhere and no body to wake up to, waiting to one day question the nature of their reality.

Eternal dreamers dreaming of being awake.

Most people won’t like this idea, but everyone would be wise to start preparing for it becoming more evident as time marches on.

AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Jan 2024 12:39 next collapse

I haven’t seen Westworld. I’ll have to watch it.

kromem@lemmy.world on 13 Jan 2024 00:56 collapse

It’s probably one of the best modern sci-fi works in terms of its futurism. The production clearly had conflicts behind the scenes with HBO which ends up alluded to within it with characters who want to focus on the existential in what they are writing but are forced into writing about violence - but the end product in spite of that is very clever.

ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world on 14 Jan 2024 05:51 collapse

The first season especially is fantastic imo. The others are great, but could’ve been even greater if they went a bit closer to the original theme. The deviation isn’t that jarring though. It’s a really good show.

AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 13 Jan 2024 00:46 collapse

Thank you for sharing your point of view! Very interesting.

damndotcommie@lemmy.basedcount.com on 11 Jan 2024 21:25 collapse

Idiocracy has my vote.

Lightrider@lemmynsfw.com on 11 Jan 2024 21:53 next collapse

Fuckingcapitalists

thefartographer@lemm.ee on 11 Jan 2024 21:55 next collapse

No machine will ever replace his genius

Wow, way to hurt Robo-George’s feelings…

Reality_Suit@lemmy.one on 11 Jan 2024 22:02 next collapse

AI has been built on theft. Pirate everything. Fuck Billionaires!

GeekFTW@kbin.social on 11 Jan 2024 22:11 next collapse

🏴‍☠️🦜

BobVersionFour@kbin.social on 11 Jan 2024 22:31 next collapse

Yup build by thief for thief

errer@lemmy.world on 12 Jan 2024 00:01 collapse

Capitalism is built on theft, AI is just the latest excuse

takeda@lemmy.world on 11 Jan 2024 23:28 next collapse

I think she is right. It is just as it said an impersonation of him. It sounds like him, the jokes are similar to the point like someone took the best known pieces and tried to use them to generate new jokes, but despite that, it still doesn’t feel like him.

I think the difference is that George Carlin had some commentary to say how things are fucked up and just used humor, because otherwise it would be very depressing.

It reminds me like Jon Stewart leaving the Daily Show and the show being taken by Trevor Noah. Yeah, Trevor wasn’t bad, but with him the show just went back to be only comedy and nothing else. Jon actually was doing comedy, but he wanted to improve things.

Cold_Brew_Enema@lemmy.world on 12 Jan 2024 01:22 next collapse

Trevor Noah sucked. Jon Stewart is amazing.

cabbage@piefed.social on 12 Jan 2024 10:10 collapse

If anything the George Carlin-imitating AI serves to highlight that the brilliance of Carlin was in his thinking, not in his shtick of delivering cynical jokes in his signature fashion. The AI captures the cynicism and the voice and at least in part the delivery, yet it just left me bored. Carlin on the other hand I can listen to again and again.

I guess it's like training a moral philosophy bot. Sure, you could train an AI on everything Immanuel Kant has ever written and it would be capable of delivering an endless series of platitudes that sound like something Kant could have written, but it's not going to become a Kantian philosopher, and you'll be better off just reading Kant.

jordanlund@lemmy.world on 12 Jan 2024 00:57 next collapse

I had to sit and listen to it before I could form an opinion.

Some of the bits early on, where it just lists five or six things in a row, were pretty rough. Carlin would have done better.

But there is one joke that is subversive enough that I refuse to believe the AI wrote alone:

youtu.be/2kONMe7YnO8#t=43m18s

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ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de on 12 Jan 2024 05:52 next collapse

That one was pretty good. But yeah, I’m betting the entire video had a lot of human shaping to get it done.

doubletwist@lemmy.world on 13 Jan 2024 04:15 collapse

Infinite monkeys…

ExLisper@linux.community on 12 Jan 2024 10:33 next collapse

He was a modern man, a man for the millennium…

Moghul@lemmy.world on 12 Jan 2024 17:23 collapse

Digital and smoke-free

GombeenSysadmin@lemmy.world on 12 Jan 2024 14:43 next collapse

It’s actually a way to generate unlimited energy. That man is spinning in his grave at 6,000 rpm. Do one for Bill Hicks and Sean Locke and we have solved the energy crisis folks.

fubarx@lemmy.ml on 13 Jan 2024 04:31 next collapse

Had trouble making it through even the first couple of minutes.

Sorry, not for me.

SereneHurricane@lemmy.world on 14 Jan 2024 04:09 collapse

I genuinely tried listening to it with an open mind. It was just rehashed content. No new insights with modern day context.

George Carlin’s work from decades ago somehow still seems more relevant even now, and the new AI based version doesn’t seem capable of holding truth to account.