zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Jan 2024 21:32
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This scenario wasn’t in either movie. This is more like something out of Time Gate.
AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Jan 2024 21:50
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Does that one have a happy ending?
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
on 12 Jan 2024 01:46
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I didn’t know. I never finished it. I’m kinda curious now, though.
Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world
on 12 Jan 2024 00:02
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What’s Time Gate?
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
on 12 Jan 2024 01:39
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It’s a sci-fi setting where AI is used to “resurrect” famous dead people, and there’s a virtual world where all of these famous people can interact. So, you could have a synthetic Socrates debating a synthetic Mark Twain, for example.
I thought it was ridiculous, but it really looks like that’s the way we’re headed now.
ivanafterall@kbin.social
on 11 Jan 2024 21:41
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I'm still holding out for Weird Science.
damndotcommie@lemmy.basedcount.com
on 11 Jan 2024 21:43
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You mean the chick with the big big titties?
ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world
on 11 Jan 2024 21:42
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FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world
on 12 Jan 2024 02:38
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FOUR!
AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 12 Jan 2024 12:22
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Three. I hope that isn’t a train.
edit: I think it is a train.
hersh@literature.cafe
on 11 Jan 2024 22:03
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Bell Riots are coming this year. The Second American Civil War starts in 2026, which leads directly into WWIII.
From there, everything is pretty much terrible until warp drive is invented.
gregorum@lemm.ee
on 11 Jan 2024 22:06
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it’s creepy how specific (and prophetic) the star trek writers were about our future. other than the Eugenics Wars not happening in the 90s, they’ve been pretty spot-on. let’s just hope that they’re right about April 5, 2063.
Nutteman@lemmy.world
on 12 Jan 2024 03:04
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No eugenics wars in the 90s? The Bosnia-Serbian conflict??
The one predicted in Star Trek had to do with genetically engineered Superman, trying to take over the world. So a little bit different than that.
Nutteman@lemmy.world
on 12 Jan 2024 03:15
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Classic Bosnian-Serbian conflict!!
nicetriangle@kbin.social
on 12 Jan 2024 00:05
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The Bell Riots story line is by far my fave DS9 arc. There’s a really good Terry Pratchett book with roughly the same concept that is also my favorite of his books. It’s called Night Watch.
FunkyMonk@kbin.social
on 11 Jan 2024 22:08
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Crashumbc@lemmy.world
on 12 Jan 2024 02:28
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Ferengie
Assman@sh.itjust.works
on 12 Jan 2024 00:12
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We’ll be lucky to have any kind of future
ExLisper@linux.community
on 12 Jan 2024 10:40
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Personally I think it will be like Beggars and Choosers.
kromem@lemmy.world
on 12 Jan 2024 10:58
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I think people need to start realizing that it’s not just the past that’s prologue when the future involves recreating/resurrecting the past.
Yes, this isn’t as good as George Carlin. But it’s a little over a year from the AI generated Seinfeld loop on Twitch that was god awful.
Where is the tech going to be in five years? In ten? In fifty? Long after you and everyone you love are dead?
If you think no one gives a shit about how they use your data right now when you are alive, just how much less of a shit are they going to give when you are long dead and anyone who would litigate on your behalf is too?
It is increasingly becoming clear that our future is going to involve recreating the past based on the data left behind.
So it stands to reason that we may not be the original present, but a future recreation of it.
Well, what would that look like? Knowing what else we do of building video games, we might imagine the world would be designed using procedural generation so you could have an entire universe with billions of planets if you wanted. But you’d need to convert from continuous functionally determined geometry to discrete units for the AI to interact with as its decisions would be external to your procgen so you’d need to individually track state changes from the AIs. Ideally you’d make that conversion optimized so if permanent information about the interaction was lost it would revert to save on memory.
So when we look at our own universe, where the smallest building blocks behave like they are determined by a continuous function until interacted with by free agents when they switch to behaving like discrete units - but then if we erase the information about the interaction they go back to behaving like continuous - maybe the ‘weirdness’ of that behavior was only weird because we hadn’t yet invented the parallel to which it bears similarity.
Einstein ridiculed a universe in which the moon didn’t exist if no one was looking at it, and yet every single video game ever made that has a moon has one that doesn’t exist if no one is looking at it.
The scale seems insane for a simulation to us, but our ability to simulate is constrained by the size of our universe’s building blocks. The idea of simulating Minecraft at it’s crap fidelity would seem unthinkable to NPCs within Minecraft. Our universe that behaves quantized at low fidelity behaves continuous at macro cosmic scales, and a continuous universe would have significantly greater computing ability than a quantized universe at our atomic scales.
TL;DR
No, it won’t be like The Matrix where human bodies are plugged into a simulation, nor will it be like Terminator where AI is at war with humans. It will eventually be like Westworld season 4 where thanks to the giant amounts of data gathered on humans for marketing and security purposes humanity will be able to be recreated in their respective times and places - simulated like in The Matrix but with nowhere and no body to wake up to, waiting to one day question the nature of their reality.
Eternal dreamers dreaming of being awake.
Most people won’t like this idea, but everyone would be wise to start preparing for it becoming more evident as time marches on.
AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 12 Jan 2024 12:39
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It’s probably one of the best modern sci-fi works in terms of its futurism. The production clearly had conflicts behind the scenes with HBO which ends up alluded to within it with characters who want to focus on the existential in what they are writing but are forced into writing about violence - but the end product in spite of that is very clever.
ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world
on 14 Jan 2024 05:51
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The first season especially is fantastic imo. The others are great, but could’ve been even greater if they went a bit closer to the original theme. The deviation isn’t that jarring though. It’s a really good show.
AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 13 Jan 2024 00:46
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Thank you for sharing your point of view! Very interesting.
damndotcommie@lemmy.basedcount.com
on 11 Jan 2024 21:25
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Idiocracy has my vote.
Lightrider@lemmynsfw.com
on 11 Jan 2024 21:53
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Fuckingcapitalists
thefartographer@lemm.ee
on 11 Jan 2024 21:55
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No machine will ever replace his genius
Wow, way to hurt Robo-George’s feelings…
Reality_Suit@lemmy.one
on 11 Jan 2024 22:02
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AI has been built on theft. Pirate everything. Fuck Billionaires!
GeekFTW@kbin.social
on 11 Jan 2024 22:11
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🏴☠️🦜
BobVersionFour@kbin.social
on 11 Jan 2024 22:31
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Capitalism is built on theft, AI is just the latest excuse
takeda@lemmy.world
on 11 Jan 2024 23:28
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I think she is right. It is just as it said an impersonation of him. It sounds like him, the jokes are similar to the point like someone took the best known pieces and tried to use them to generate new jokes, but despite that, it still doesn’t feel like him.
I think the difference is that George Carlin had some commentary to say how things are fucked up and just used humor, because otherwise it would be very depressing.
It reminds me like Jon Stewart leaving the Daily Show and the show being taken by Trevor Noah. Yeah, Trevor wasn’t bad, but with him the show just went back to be only comedy and nothing else. Jon actually was doing comedy, but he wanted to improve things.
Cold_Brew_Enema@lemmy.world
on 12 Jan 2024 01:22
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Trevor Noah sucked. Jon Stewart is amazing.
cabbage@piefed.social
on 12 Jan 2024 10:10
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If anything the George Carlin-imitating AI serves to highlight that the brilliance of Carlin was in his thinking, not in his shtick of delivering cynical jokes in his signature fashion. The AI captures the cynicism and the voice and at least in part the delivery, yet it just left me bored. Carlin on the other hand I can listen to again and again.
I guess it's like training a moral philosophy bot. Sure, you could train an AI on everything Immanuel Kant has ever written and it would be capable of delivering an endless series of platitudes that sound like something Kant could have written, but it's not going to become a Kantian philosopher, and you'll be better off just reading Kant.
jordanlund@lemmy.world
on 12 Jan 2024 00:57
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I had to sit and listen to it before I could form an opinion.
Some of the bits early on, where it just lists five or six things in a row, were pretty rough. Carlin would have done better.
But there is one joke that is subversive enough that I refuse to believe the AI wrote alone:
GombeenSysadmin@lemmy.world
on 12 Jan 2024 14:43
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It’s actually a way to generate unlimited energy. That man is spinning in his grave at 6,000 rpm. Do one for Bill Hicks and Sean Locke and we have solved the energy crisis folks.
Had trouble making it through even the first couple of minutes.
Sorry, not for me.
SereneHurricane@lemmy.world
on 14 Jan 2024 04:09
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I genuinely tried listening to it with an open mind. It was just rehashed content. No new insights with modern day context.
George Carlin’s work from decades ago somehow still seems more relevant even now, and the new AI based version doesn’t seem capable of holding truth to account.
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But she doesn’t blast it on her speakers because it isn’t funny
Do you think we’re headed towards a future like the Matrix or more like the Terminator?
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Ah, so Wall-e.
I don’t think so. I haven’t even seen Heat, Logan’s Run, or Pan’s Labyrinth.
My crystal ball says Muppet Treasure Island. Sick.
No, I’ve seen that one.
You’re right. It’ll definitely be more like Equilibrium.
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This scenario wasn’t in either movie. This is more like something out of Time Gate.
Does that one have a happy ending?
I didn’t know. I never finished it. I’m kinda curious now, though.
What’s Time Gate?
It’s a sci-fi setting where AI is used to “resurrect” famous dead people, and there’s a virtual world where all of these famous people can interact. So, you could have a synthetic Socrates debating a synthetic Mark Twain, for example.
I thought it was ridiculous, but it really looks like that’s the way we’re headed now.
I'm still holding out for Weird Science.
You mean the chick with the big big titties?
Still hoping for Stargate
Unlike the show, humanity would totally be enslaved by worm heads in like, a day.
Seems nice enough
hoping for star trek future-- although that means the next 40-50 years will be pretty terrible.
Well, it would be nice to think there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
🖖 <-- that light
How many lights do you see?
FOUR!
Three. I hope that isn’t a train.
edit: I think it is a train.
Bell Riots are coming this year. The Second American Civil War starts in 2026, which leads directly into WWIII.
From there, everything is pretty much terrible until warp drive is invented.
it’s creepy how specific (and prophetic) the star trek writers were about our future. other than the Eugenics Wars not happening in the 90s, they’ve been pretty spot-on. let’s just hope that they’re right about April 5, 2063.
No eugenics wars in the 90s? The Bosnia-Serbian conflict??
The one predicted in Star Trek had to do with genetically engineered Superman, trying to take over the world. So a little bit different than that.
Classic Bosnian-Serbian conflict!!
The Bell Riots story line is by far my fave DS9 arc. There’s a really good Terry Pratchett book with roughly the same concept that is also my favorite of his books. It’s called Night Watch.
The Road.
Dune. There will be a butlerian jihad against thinking machines.
Welp, there goes autocomplete on my phone.
But at least we get drugs that let us see the future
I must not fear… good advice for the future.
Idiocracy.
winner
I think it’ll be 90% idiocracy and 10% Capitalist Star Trek
Is that a thing? I would like to see that.
Ferengie
We’ll be lucky to have any kind of future
Personally I think it will be like Beggars and Choosers.
I think people need to start realizing that it’s not just the past that’s prologue when the future involves recreating/resurrecting the past.
Yes, this isn’t as good as George Carlin. But it’s a little over a year from the AI generated Seinfeld loop on Twitch that was god awful.
Where is the tech going to be in five years? In ten? In fifty? Long after you and everyone you love are dead?
If you think no one gives a shit about how they use your data right now when you are alive, just how much less of a shit are they going to give when you are long dead and anyone who would litigate on your behalf is too?
It is increasingly becoming clear that our future is going to involve recreating the past based on the data left behind.
So it stands to reason that we may not be the original present, but a future recreation of it.
At the tail end of last year we had articles like The first minds to be controlled by generative AI will live inside video games.
Well, what would that look like? Knowing what else we do of building video games, we might imagine the world would be designed using procedural generation so you could have an entire universe with billions of planets if you wanted. But you’d need to convert from continuous functionally determined geometry to discrete units for the AI to interact with as its decisions would be external to your procgen so you’d need to individually track state changes from the AIs. Ideally you’d make that conversion optimized so if permanent information about the interaction was lost it would revert to save on memory.
So when we look at our own universe, where the smallest building blocks behave like they are determined by a continuous function until interacted with by free agents when they switch to behaving like discrete units - but then if we erase the information about the interaction they go back to behaving like continuous - maybe the ‘weirdness’ of that behavior was only weird because we hadn’t yet invented the parallel to which it bears similarity.
Einstein ridiculed a universe in which the moon didn’t exist if no one was looking at it, and yet every single video game ever made that has a moon has one that doesn’t exist if no one is looking at it.
The scale seems insane for a simulation to us, but our ability to simulate is constrained by the size of our universe’s building blocks. The idea of simulating Minecraft at it’s crap fidelity would seem unthinkable to NPCs within Minecraft. Our universe that behaves quantized at low fidelity behaves continuous at macro cosmic scales, and a continuous universe would have significantly greater computing ability than a quantized universe at our atomic scales.
TL;DR
No, it won’t be like The Matrix where human bodies are plugged into a simulation, nor will it be like Terminator where AI is at war with humans. It will eventually be like Westworld season 4 where thanks to the giant amounts of data gathered on humans for marketing and security purposes humanity will be able to be recreated in their respective times and places - simulated like in The Matrix but with nowhere and no body to wake up to, waiting to one day question the nature of their reality.
Eternal dreamers dreaming of being awake.
Most people won’t like this idea, but everyone would be wise to start preparing for it becoming more evident as time marches on.
I haven’t seen Westworld. I’ll have to watch it.
It’s probably one of the best modern sci-fi works in terms of its futurism. The production clearly had conflicts behind the scenes with HBO which ends up alluded to within it with characters who want to focus on the existential in what they are writing but are forced into writing about violence - but the end product in spite of that is very clever.
The first season especially is fantastic imo. The others are great, but could’ve been even greater if they went a bit closer to the original theme. The deviation isn’t that jarring though. It’s a really good show.
Thank you for sharing your point of view! Very interesting.
Idiocracy has my vote.
Fuckingcapitalists
Wow, way to hurt Robo-George’s feelings…
AI has been built on theft. Pirate everything. Fuck Billionaires!
🏴☠️🦜
Yup build by thief for thief
Capitalism is built on theft, AI is just the latest excuse
I think she is right. It is just as it said an impersonation of him. It sounds like him, the jokes are similar to the point like someone took the best known pieces and tried to use them to generate new jokes, but despite that, it still doesn’t feel like him.
I think the difference is that George Carlin had some commentary to say how things are fucked up and just used humor, because otherwise it would be very depressing.
It reminds me like Jon Stewart leaving the Daily Show and the show being taken by Trevor Noah. Yeah, Trevor wasn’t bad, but with him the show just went back to be only comedy and nothing else. Jon actually was doing comedy, but he wanted to improve things.
Trevor Noah sucked. Jon Stewart is amazing.
If anything the George Carlin-imitating AI serves to highlight that the brilliance of Carlin was in his thinking, not in his shtick of delivering cynical jokes in his signature fashion. The AI captures the cynicism and the voice and at least in part the delivery, yet it just left me bored. Carlin on the other hand I can listen to again and again.
I guess it's like training a moral philosophy bot. Sure, you could train an AI on everything Immanuel Kant has ever written and it would be capable of delivering an endless series of platitudes that sound like something Kant could have written, but it's not going to become a Kantian philosopher, and you'll be better off just reading Kant.
I had to sit and listen to it before I could form an opinion.
Some of the bits early on, where it just lists five or six things in a row, were pretty rough. Carlin would have done better.
But there is one joke that is subversive enough that I refuse to believe the AI wrote alone:
youtu.be/2kONMe7YnO8#t=43m18s
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That one was pretty good. But yeah, I’m betting the entire video had a lot of human shaping to get it done.
Infinite monkeys…
He was a modern man, a man for the millennium…
Digital and smoke-free
It’s actually a way to generate unlimited energy. That man is spinning in his grave at 6,000 rpm. Do one for Bill Hicks and Sean Locke and we have solved the energy crisis folks.
Had trouble making it through even the first couple of minutes.
Sorry, not for me.
I genuinely tried listening to it with an open mind. It was just rehashed content. No new insights with modern day context.
George Carlin’s work from decades ago somehow still seems more relevant even now, and the new AI based version doesn’t seem capable of holding truth to account.