Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
on 05 Oct 2024 03:11
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I kinda see your point, but a huge number of people have a subscription to at least one streaming service, so those buttons are a useful feature for a lot of people.
plz1@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 03:47
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Unlikely all 4 though. Give people 1-2 they can map services two, instead of multiple wasted (branded) buttons.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
on 05 Oct 2024 04:32
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Most consumers want their device to work right out of the box, mapping buttons isn’t something most of the population wants to deal with.
EtherWhack@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 05:45
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Don’t give them excuses, mate.
Map them during initial setup.
Please choose a service you would like to use and we will help you log in.
You have x buttons that are available to use as a shortcut to the service. Please press the button you would like to use, or press enter to skip this step.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
on 05 Oct 2024 05:50
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But then you have to remember which one is which. The ones in your example are already labelled.
EtherWhack@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 06:05
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You work in their marketing department, don’t you?
The scenario I mentioned would have the buttons simply labeled with a number/letter. 95% of the time I don’t even look on the remote to use a button. Also, if you hit the wrong button, no big deal, you just the other/s.
Like I mentioned, stop giving them excuses.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
on 05 Oct 2024 10:19
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Nobody will remember that. Too complicated for Grandma.
EtherWhack@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 11:09
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You do realize that we already know the only reason you have them on your remotes is to charge the streaming services a licensing fee for the advertisement. You couldn’t care less about grandma.
stephen01king@lemmy.zip
on 05 Oct 2024 16:04
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Can we stop with accusing people with working for corporations and treating them as representative of that corporation just for the purpose of appealing to emotion and making the other person sound worse? It doesn’t even make much sense. Lemmy is too small for corporations to spend money to astroturf.
The only thing you manage to do is make Lemmy more toxic and unappealing to spend time on.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
on 05 Oct 2024 23:08
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We also have a problem with people massively overestimating the amount of hassle “normal” people are willing to go through to use technology.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
on 05 Oct 2024 23:06
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The tinfoil hat is cutting off the blood flow to your brain.
EtherWhack@lemmy.world
on 06 Oct 2024 00:01
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Whatever you say.
I mean I do need to keep my antennae from buzzing all the time. But, whatever you say.
yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de
on 05 Oct 2024 09:22
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Label the remappable button STREAMING SERVICE or something, I don’t know.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
on 05 Oct 2024 10:22
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There’s a lot of people in this thread who’ve never had to be tech support for elderly relatives.
Grandma doesn’t know what a streaming is.
atrielienz@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 14:10
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This is literally what certain manufacturers do. Here’s a side by side of the receiver remote for my setup and the one for the TV (which has never even been connected to the internet). One has these dedicated buttons. The other just has ones labeled for streaming or similar.>!<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/bec0d142-6327-4f6c-bccc-352786b390df.jpeg">!<
I’ll add that the location of the buttons makes a significant difference. If they’re easy to hit by accident you’re more likely to have grandma launch a service she didn’t mean to and not know how to back out of it. This causes more problems than it solves.
And heh, no cut, dummy. They get extorted. Netflix wouldn’t agree to allow the hi-res streaming to their devices otherwise.
HeavyRaptor@lemmy.zip
on 05 Oct 2024 22:48
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Didn’t think about that, that makes so much sense.
I use Buttons Remapper and set the Netflix button to do nothing and override system. You don’t need to pay for this but there is other stuff locked behind a pay wall.
mitrosus@discuss.tchncs.de
on 05 Oct 2024 12:02
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Do you guys have remote with dedicated key for specific channel? Awful!
atrielienz@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 14:06
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Yeah some TV’s these days come with streaming built in and have this kind of remote. Plus if you buy a set top streaming box like a Roku, they come with this kind of remote also. It’s stupid, but a real world thing.
helenslunch@feddit.nl
on 06 Oct 2024 16:19
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Yeah some all TV’s these days come with streaming built in and have this kind of remote.
FTFY
mitrosus@discuss.tchncs.de
on 07 Oct 2024 06:26
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Oh god. Thanks I am not there
Blaster_M@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 20:14
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As much as I don’t like these buttons, working in tech support, I can tell you far too many people can’t figure out anything more complex than “push the giant button that says the thing you want on it”, and that is even difficult to get some people to understand.
mox@lemmy.sdf.org
on 05 Oct 2024 03:09
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Tux is my copilot, and never tries to be a back-seat driver.
caseyweederman@lemmy.ca
on 05 Oct 2024 12:18
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Tux, take the wheel!
EtherWhack@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 05:47
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I didn’t even know that was a thing…
alyx@discuss.alyx.to
on 05 Oct 2024 12:51
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Now they just need to allow me to actually uninstall it…
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 05 Oct 2024 12:59
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I can’t believe this came before Samsung letting you reprogram your Bixby key.
TheRealKuni@midwest.social
on 06 Oct 2024 10:57
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Shit, even Apple lets you reprogram the Action Button, insofar as you can program anything on iOS (which isn’t nothing, Shortcuts scripting can be pretty detailed).
flames5123@lemmy.world
on 07 Oct 2024 02:01
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I used to have my car commands (AC, location, seat heaters, etc) on a shortcut. It was stacked shortcuts calling APIs and passing tokens and storing these for later use to reuse the same token.
Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca
on 06 Oct 2024 11:31
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I have an app that does that on my S8, but it’s definitely not official support.
bucketofcandyfloss@thelemmy.club
on 05 Oct 2024 13:10
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why even make it in the first place? just use a keyboard shortcut or something.
lengau@midwest.social
on 05 Oct 2024 15:13
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So you know the built-in keyboard shortcut on Windows that opens LinkedIn? (IIRC it’s Ctrl+Alt+Win+Shift+L)
That’s because Microsoft sold keyboards for a while with “Office keys,” so you could hit Office+W for Word, Office+X for Excel, etc. All that key would do is send all those modifiers. There are plenty of unused modifier key codes they could use instead, but they did this.
I’m guessing this key works the same.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Oct 2024 21:31
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part of the reason could be that this way users will always see the copilot icon
M0oP0o@mander.xyz
on 05 Oct 2024 14:04
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How nice of them…
lengau@midwest.social
on 05 Oct 2024 15:10
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All I care to know is what code it sends to the machine so I can submit a merge to Plasma to default that key to opening krunner.
Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world
on 05 Oct 2024 23:17
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What does the Key on its own do, what character does it send? Is it something standard or is it something custom?
EddoWagt@feddit.nl
on 06 Oct 2024 10:22
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Probably Ctrl + shift + win + alt + C, or something like that. The same modifiers + first letter of the program work for other services like word and linkedin
georgemoody@lemmy.zip
on 06 Oct 2024 11:06
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standard, surprisingly enough, it’s essentially just a shortcut to the key combination ctrl+shift+f23.
guess microsoft figured they couldn’t leave all the extra F keys unattended
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Oct 2024 21:27
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by the small icon it must be opening the context menu at the currently focused place.
(Despite the physical buttons having been missing for a long time on regular keyboards, there are still scancodes for f13-f24)
For what it’s worth too, the Windows “Powertoys” utilities have always been able to remap it.
cordlesslamp@lemmy.today
on 06 Oct 2024 11:48
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Why Microsoft is so obsessed with the word “copilot”? There’s like 4 different things with the same name.
Khrux@ttrpg.network
on 06 Oct 2024 12:00
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Microsoft will definitely have the power to bulldoze all other things named copilot, like Facebook did to meta. I’m still not over AI being a lame word now. I miss the time when it felt sci-fi and not like a corporate buzzword.
William Gibson made the metaverse, fuck FB for stealing that cool name for a 3D world and then botchering it so hard it will never ever even be a thing lol. I mean how hard can it be with those kind of budgets they have. Smh.
my favorite feature of copilot is that on top of being extremely stupid, it’s very easily offended. literally the only thing they made sure it would consistently get right is being fucking touchy.
I used copilot like four times to test what it can do. it is so fucking bad. every “conversation” inevitably ends with me saying “you’re useless” and copilot getting offended and immediately ending the conversation with a passive aggressive message basically implying “I’m done with this. you can try again if you’re gonna be nicer next time”
lol fucking dumb useless piece of code, can’t even ask it the simplest questions without it spitting some absolute nonsense, but also can’t take shit because it’s too precious and self respecting. fuck you, Microsoft.
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Finally, the Any key!
How gracious of them.
Let me?
In their (in)finite mercy.
I’m surprised they didn’t try to sell it to an ad company.
You’re hired!
Great, more vendor specific keys that absolutely nobody needs.
<img alt="" src="https://links.hackliberty.org/pictrs/image/140cfec5-3c62-4177-af48-847a125eeab9.png">
I kinda see your point, but a huge number of people have a subscription to at least one streaming service, so those buttons are a useful feature for a lot of people.
Unlikely all 4 though. Give people 1-2 they can map services two, instead of multiple wasted (branded) buttons.
Most consumers want their device to work right out of the box, mapping buttons isn’t something most of the population wants to deal with.
Don’t give them excuses, mate.
Map them during initial setup.
But then you have to remember which one is which. The ones in your example are already labelled.
You work in their marketing department, don’t you?
The scenario I mentioned would have the buttons simply labeled with a number/letter. 95% of the time I don’t even look on the remote to use a button. Also, if you hit the wrong button, no big deal, you just the other/s.
Like I mentioned, stop giving them excuses.
Nobody will remember that. Too complicated for Grandma.
You do realize that we already know the only reason you have them on your remotes is to charge the streaming services a licensing fee for the advertisement. You couldn’t care less about grandma.
Can we stop with accusing people with working for corporations and treating them as representative of that corporation just for the purpose of appealing to emotion and making the other person sound worse? It doesn’t even make much sense. Lemmy is too small for corporations to spend money to astroturf.
The only thing you manage to do is make Lemmy more toxic and unappealing to spend time on.
We also have a problem with people massively overestimating the amount of hassle “normal” people are willing to go through to use technology.
The tinfoil hat is cutting off the blood flow to your brain.
Whatever you say.
I mean I do need to keep my antennae from buzzing all the time. But, whatever you say.
Label the remappable button STREAMING SERVICE or something, I don’t know.
There’s a lot of people in this thread who’ve never had to be tech support for elderly relatives.
Grandma doesn’t know what a streaming is.
This is literally what certain manufacturers do. Here’s a side by side of the receiver remote for my setup and the one for the TV (which has never even been connected to the internet). One has these dedicated buttons. The other just has ones labeled for streaming or similar.>!<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/bec0d142-6327-4f6c-bccc-352786b390df.jpeg">!<
I’ll add that the location of the buttons makes a significant difference. If they’re easy to hit by accident you’re more likely to have grandma launch a service she didn’t mean to and not know how to back out of it. This causes more problems than it solves.
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A huge number of people like pussy too, but that doesn’t mean I want a button for it
(I’m gay af)
So buy another TV.
The screenshot for the article depicts the copilot key on the “context menu” key
I ended up un mapping my Netflix button on my shield TV remote because it was super annoying for accidental presses.
Do the manufacturers even get a cut for promoting these services, or is this just what people want?
How did you do that please?
And heh, no cut, dummy. They get extorted. Netflix wouldn’t agree to allow the hi-res streaming to their devices otherwise.
Didn’t think about that, that makes so much sense.
I use Buttons Remapper and set the Netflix button to do nothing and override system. You don’t need to pay for this but there is other stuff locked behind a pay wall.
Thanks! Will definitely help.
Do you guys have remote with dedicated key for specific channel? Awful!
Yeah some TV’s these days come with streaming built in and have this kind of remote. Plus if you buy a set top streaming box like a Roku, they come with this kind of remote also. It’s stupid, but a real world thing.
FTFY
Oh god. Thanks I am not there
As much as I don’t like these buttons, working in tech support, I can tell you far too many people can’t figure out anything more complex than “push the giant button that says the thing you want on it”, and that is even difficult to get some people to understand.
Tux is my copilot, and never tries to be a back-seat driver.
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.sdf.org/pictrs/image/650b6dba-c2c0-4b91-a999-0376fd62425c.png">
Tux, take the wheel!
I didn’t even know that was a thing…
Now they just need to allow me to actually uninstall it…
I can’t believe this came before Samsung letting you reprogram your Bixby key.
Shit, even Apple lets you reprogram the Action Button, insofar as you can program anything on iOS (which isn’t nothing, Shortcuts scripting can be pretty detailed).
I used to have my car commands (AC, location, seat heaters, etc) on a shortcut. It was stacked shortcuts calling APIs and passing tokens and storing these for later use to reuse the same token.
I have an app that does that on my S8, but it’s definitely not official support.
why even make it in the first place? just use a keyboard shortcut or something.
So you know the built-in keyboard shortcut on Windows that opens LinkedIn? (IIRC it’s Ctrl+Alt+Win+Shift+L)
That’s because Microsoft sold keyboards for a while with “Office keys,” so you could hit Office+W for Word, Office+X for Excel, etc. All that key would do is send all those modifiers. There are plenty of unused modifier key codes they could use instead, but they did this.
I’m guessing this key works the same.
part of the reason could be that this way users will always see the copilot icon
How nice of them…
All I care to know is what code it sends to the machine so I can submit a merge to Plasma to default that key to opening krunner.
What does the Key on its own do, what character does it send? Is it something standard or is it something custom?
Probably Ctrl + shift + win + alt + C, or something like that. The same modifiers + first letter of the program work for other services like word and linkedin
standard, surprisingly enough, it’s essentially just a shortcut to the key combination ctrl+shift+f23. guess microsoft figured they couldn’t leave all the extra F keys unattended
by the small icon it must be opening the context menu at the currently focused place.
It’s something like win-ctrl-f23
(Despite the physical buttons having been missing for a long time on regular keyboards, there are still scancodes for f13-f24)
For what it’s worth too, the Windows “Powertoys” utilities have always been able to remap it.
Why Microsoft is so obsessed with the word “copilot”? There’s like 4 different things with the same name.
Microsoft will definitely have the power to bulldoze all other things named copilot, like Facebook did to meta. I’m still not over AI being a lame word now. I miss the time when it felt sci-fi and not like a corporate buzzword.
William Gibson made the metaverse, fuck FB for stealing that cool name for a 3D world and then botchering it so hard it will never ever even be a thing lol. I mean how hard can it be with those kind of budgets they have. Smh.
Missed opportunity to re-brand clippy
Good. Clippy doesn’t deserve to get treated like that.
my favorite feature of copilot is that on top of being extremely stupid, it’s very easily offended. literally the only thing they made sure it would consistently get right is being fucking touchy.
I used copilot like four times to test what it can do. it is so fucking bad. every “conversation” inevitably ends with me saying “you’re useless” and copilot getting offended and immediately ending the conversation with a passive aggressive message basically implying “I’m done with this. you can try again if you’re gonna be nicer next time”
lol fucking dumb useless piece of code, can’t even ask it the simplest questions without it spitting some absolute nonsense, but also can’t take shit because it’s too precious and self respecting. fuck you, Microsoft.