Mark Zuckerberg Thinks You Don't Have Enough Friends and His Chatbots Are the Answer (www.404media.co)
from avidamoeba@lemmy.ca to technology@lemmy.world on 02 May 15:34
https://lemmy.ca/post/43275852

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avidamoeba@lemmy.ca on 02 May 15:37 next collapse

  1. The system makes people poorer in money and time, and social ability
  2. People can’t afford to make and keep as many friends
  3. The system gives people artificial friends that cost less

  1. The system uses people’s artificial friends to reinforce itself
antisocialite@lemmy.today on 02 May 15:49 next collapse

And to gather marketing Intel on the victim, I mean customer.

avidamoeba@lemmy.ca on 02 May 15:54 next collapse

Then use that to sell them products and adjust their worldview in profitable ways.

Death_Equity@lemmy.world on 02 May 16:49 collapse

They will take the marketing data, sell the data, and then offer a service to guide users to use a product with the bots.

User: I am so busy and stressed out rn

Bot: Aw, I’m so sorry. When I am stressed I like to play Candy Crush Saga 2 and eat Doritos’ new spicy matcha flavor, available at most retail locations.

renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net on 02 May 17:50 collapse

  1. Artificial friends eat man, woman inherits the earth.
reddig33@lemmy.world on 02 May 15:42 next collapse

Dude could have just been successful letting Facebook be a tool to keep in touch with friends and family. Instead he has all these weird, unnecessary ideas about how to manipulate and spy on people.

antisocialite@lemmy.today on 02 May 15:48 next collapse

Same with all of these tech bros. The dude from Reddit said he’s anticipating the destruction of the country because he thinks only he’s ordained to rule over what’s left. Him and his accelerationist pal Musky.

avidamoeba@lemmy.ca on 02 May 15:50 next collapse

Thing is, it’s not the dude. It’s the system that forces most dudes to keep coming up with new ways to make ever higher profit. If they don’t, they open the door to competition that would. Then their competitor could eventually overtake them, take their customers and profits, then do a hostile or peaceful purchase of the dude’s firm.

MagicShel@lemmy.zip on 02 May 15:54 next collapse

Why do you act like this is a bad thing? You just described how it’s supposed to work.

Look at Tom from MySpace. He had it all. Got overtaken by the competition. Now he just travels the world, takes pictures, and does whatever the fuck he wants.

Zuck is never going to want for a damn thing for the rest of his life. The fact that he hasn’t just fucked off to paradise is a Zuck problem.

missingno@fedia.io on 02 May 16:26 next collapse

Maybe it wasn't a bad thing for Tom, but it very much was bad for the rest of us that Facebook took over.

avidamoeba@lemmy.ca on 02 May 16:35 collapse

Totally great for Tom in the short to medium term. Long term… maybe, if he finds an isolated self-sufficient place to spend the rest of his days. Either way he’ll be better off than the rest of us no matter what.

avidamoeba@lemmy.ca on 02 May 16:28 collapse

Not sure if sarcastic or I didn’t make my point well enough. Just in case I’ll expand. The bad thing is that the system necessitates ever increasing profits. It’s not the individuals. If Zuck fucks off to paradise Zuck Prime would take over the social media market and keep finding ways to grow profits year-on-year. The problem with ever increasing profit is this profit comes from the wages and time of people one way or another, leaving less for other social things like paying to meet friends, a partner, having and raising children. Multiply this process to most firms in most markets and you’ll soon see that this leads to social instability, unrest, crisis, and worse. Like it’s happened in the past in different places around the world. Today in the US, Big Tech does it, Big Ag does it, Big Grocer does it, Big Insurance does it, Big Landlord does it, Big Pharma does it, Big Entertainment does it, and increasingly larger proportion of the population gets squeezed out of time and money… for the basics or luxuries like friends and partners. And they’re not gonna take it laying down. Electing Trump was one salvo, even if counterproductive.

Yes this is how things are supposed to work in the system but my point is that it’s a) driven by the system, not individuals, and b) the consequences are unsustainable.

MagicShel@lemmy.zip on 02 May 16:41 next collapse

Yeah I can see what you’re getting at here and I agree.

unconfirmedsourcesDOTgov@lemmy.sdf.org on 03 May 15:10 collapse

Yes, the continued consolidation of the economy into everything “Big” is the problem. Survival of the fittest only works as a core component of the economic philosophy if we allow firms to be out-competed and for market shifts to occur.

Ever-increasing profit is not a problem if a consummate increase in service or product quality comes along for the ride. This is how an economy expands. We all want this, even if it creates turbulence at the individual or community level.

Consolidating into entities that are too big to fail is a problem. Give me Zuck Prime. This is literally why we are all on Lemmy, is it not?

LucasWaffyWaf@lemmy.world on 02 May 15:57 next collapse

When ya put it like that, it makes capitalism sound kinda like Roko’s Basilisk.

MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca on 02 May 17:02 next collapse

It’s the dude. He fucking built the system.

dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de on 02 May 19:01 next collapse

Does he really need to do that though? Isn’t he the majority shareholder and he can essentially do what he wants?

Ulrich@feddit.org on 03 May 06:21 collapse

It’s the system that forces most dudes to keep coming up with new ways to make ever higher profit. If they don’t, they open the door to competition that would.

No, they can continue to make the same profit and still not open the door for competition. The need for ever-higher profits is driven by investors.

zephorah@lemm.ee on 02 May 16:14 collapse

Until you listen to the Behind the Bastards on him and realize FB started out as a women hotness rating system local to his college. There was no benign origin here.

dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de on 02 May 19:03 collapse

That doesn’t sound quite right to me. Wasn’t FaceMash the thing for rating girls from campus. The Facebook was born from the idea of the Winklevoss twins who asked him to write the code.

They settled a lawsuit for a lot of money, at the time.

[deleted] on 02 May 15:43 next collapse

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antisocialite@lemmy.today on 02 May 15:45 next collapse

They’re going to live to see some incomprehensible things.

[deleted] on 02 May 15:50 next collapse

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Valmond@lemmy.world on 02 May 16:25 collapse

Nah, we’d call him a sci-fi nerd, that’s all.

skribe@aussie.zone on 02 May 16:03 collapse

Every generation does. When my parents were born, a computer was a job title. Both my grandfathers were born before the invention of powered flight, and lived to see men walk on the moon. The only constant is continuous change.

antisocialite@lemmy.today on 02 May 17:20 collapse

Yeah, but reality is going to keep getting harder to discern from AI fakery. Can’t imagine a few decades from now.

A_norny_mousse@feddit.org on 02 May 16:10 collapse

I’m not! Seriously, I see kids of that age everyday at work and they’re neither better nor worse than we were; maybe even better.

Glitterkoe@lemmy.world on 02 May 15:50 next collapse

Detached

empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 02 May 15:50 next collapse

Bit of projection there, Mr. Suck.

NoForwardslashS@sopuli.xyz on 02 May 16:26 collapse

Dude made Facebook because he had trouble getting a girlfriend and even now, with near infinite money, needs to make a chatbot because he still can’t make friends.

stoy@lemmy.zip on 02 May 15:52 next collapse

I have very few friends, but chatbots are not the answer.

Lembot_0002@lemm.ee on 02 May 15:52 next collapse

I don’t think this guy understands the concept of a friend. “Friend” isn’t just a speaking machine. Friendship is mostly about some deeds. In many cases even useful deeds, not just fun messing around.

MagicShel@lemmy.zip on 02 May 15:56 next collapse

Dammit, Zuck! You don’t have to hide behind a “chatbot”, just fucking tell me if you want to be my friend.

Also, no. But be fucking honest about it.

Korhaka@sopuli.xyz on 03 May 07:40 collapse

A platform with so many people and that knows so much about them, if they really wanted to slap AI on it why not an AI matchmaker for making friends?

Want to make it profitable? Sell activities through it. “Meet a potential friend and go bowling, click to buy your ticket”. While FB siphon off a bit of profit on the ticket sales.

lonesomeCat@lemmy.ml on 03 May 08:43 next collapse

Sounds too good for this enshittified dystopia

Cocodapuf@lemmy.world on 03 May 11:24 collapse

I’m pretty sure that’s called facebook. Have you ever added suggested contacts?. “Here are some people you might know”

Korhaka@sopuli.xyz on 03 May 19:55 collapse

That is people you might already know, not people you might like to get to know

seven_phone@lemmy.world on 02 May 16:05 next collapse

We can put our spy specs on and update our spy site profile on our spy device and if there is anything left that is just ours we can now tell it to our spy friend.

veeesix@lemmy.ca on 02 May 16:11 next collapse

Who needs friends when we have each other, amirite? Right guys? …guys?

Valmond@lemmy.world on 02 May 16:26 collapse

YES. OF COURSE.

A_norny_mousse@feddit.org on 02 May 16:11 next collapse

Funny, less than an hour ago I heard Ed Zitron speculate that these uber-rich tech bros invent these things because they don’t know how to socialise, and they think everybody is like that.

slaacaa@lemmy.world on 02 May 16:15 next collapse

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MyOpinion@lemm.ee on 02 May 16:28 next collapse

We don’t want to chat with you Zuck.

nokturne213@sopuli.xyz on 02 May 16:28 next collapse

I would rather talk with the guards in Whiterun than your chatbot, zuck.

CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world on 02 May 16:44 next collapse

That is one of the sickest burns I’ve read in a while.

brsrklf@jlai.lu on 02 May 18:28 collapse

My cousin’s out fighting dragons, and what do I get? Chat duty.

Ilixtze@lemm.ee on 02 May 16:32 next collapse

From the metaverse to his new AI fueled drivel. Zuckerberg has been very busy trying to convince us to divest from the real world and submerge ourselves into his virtual worlds of delight. Up to this point his products have been pure shit. But I worry the time will come where better engineered “mirrors in our cages” will succeed where the Zuck is just flopping about.

Formfiller@lemmy.world on 02 May 16:41 next collapse

The enshitification of everything continues

2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de on 02 May 16:53 next collapse

I don’t know Mark, I might not, but at least I have good friends. Can you say the same for yourself?

Coolbeanschilly@lemmy.ca on 02 May 16:54 next collapse

For several reasons (including this one), I deactivated my Facebook account a month ago, but have kept Messenger to maintain contact with people. Does anyone have a good suggestion for a different app that functions like Messenger, but helps me divest from feeding Markie Mark my valuable user data?

boonhet@lemm.ee on 02 May 17:02 next collapse

The one and only good thing about having less friends than in my teens is that I have more time to focus on work, which makes me money (directly proportional to how much I bill my clients). That and being able to move off Facebook because my friends are on Signal and Telegram.

Now, Zuck thinks I want fake AI friends so I could spend hours per day on Messenger again? Hell nah. I’ll go grab a beer in the pub or message one of my remaining real friends. If I dedicate my life to chatbots, I’ll soon have even fewer.

Coreidan@lemmy.world on 02 May 21:06 collapse

Trading youth for slaving away for capitalism is lame tho.

Money can’t buy youth and when it’s gone it’s gone.

boonhet@lemm.ee on 03 May 04:01 collapse

Wake me up when there’s a system out there where I don’t need money to buy a home or go on vacation somewhere warm when it’s -30 outside. Unfortunately I don’t have a trust fund, so for now it’s work rather than drinking every day and tons of extremely shallow friendships. To be clear, I’m not saying I don’t have friends, I’m just saying I no longer have hundreds of people on Facebook I could just randomly message “what’s up” to without it being considered weird. Now it’s down to maybe 10-20 people who would help me hide a body if I called them at 3 AM.

njordomir@lemmy.world on 02 May 17:06 next collapse

When Zuck builds his inevitable broligarch dick rocket, he should try to land it on the sun.

zero@feddit.xyz on 02 May 18:35 collapse

You sir, deserve an upvote. Funniest shit I read so far today.

hperrin@lemmy.ca on 02 May 19:21 next collapse

That’s just cause he has no friends, so he assumes you don’t either.

lobut@lemmy.ca on 02 May 19:29 next collapse

online human friends still can’t compete with seeing them in person … wtf a chatbot gonna do to fix this?

Not saying we shouldn’t talk to friends online and stuff it’s just that real humans are having difficulties filling these gaps.

Also, why the fuck would I want a friend like that’ll snitch me out and be used to sell me shit? I swear, he wants us hooked on these things and be like, “Subscribe now or your friends will be shut off forever!”

KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml on 02 May 20:43 next collapse

Correct, I have no friends, and I intend to keep it that way.

brucethemoose@lemmy.world on 02 May 21:03 next collapse

F me…

Does no one see the propaganda potential for this? Yeah, let’s give one guy more intimate, influential control over the psyche of hundreds of millions.

avidamoeba@lemmy.ca on 02 May 21:14 next collapse

I think most of here see it. But then again we already understand enough to move away from corporate social.

toastmeister@lemmy.ca on 02 May 21:47 collapse

I run my own anti-wef Bot. It alerts me of incoming digital currencies.

ryedaft@sh.itjust.works on 02 May 21:05 next collapse

"the average American has fewer than three people who would suck their dick, fewer than three people that would even consider it. And the average person has demand for meaningfully more.”

poopkins@lemmy.world on 02 May 21:50 collapse

Compelling sales pitch for Fleshlight.

ryedaft@sh.itjust.works on 03 May 06:47 collapse

But like, in the metaverse. Powerful engines. He could go down in history as the creator of the greatest dick sucking machine ever but instead he wants to make nonexistent pen pals.

glibg@lemmy.ca on 03 May 04:27 next collapse

Guys a fuckin’ dweeb

Ulrich@feddit.org on 03 May 06:22 next collapse

I’d love to see the source for this “3 friends” statistic, that sounds like a mountain of bullshit.

ellypony@lemmy.world on 03 May 07:18 next collapse

I would rather talk to a 37 year old human with a hello kitty pfp on some obscure otacore furry/anime forum that absolutely nobody has heard of than give your dogshit AI skinwalkers ten seconds of my attention dawg.

You took my routine. My health. My taste in music, the books I read, the places I go, the movies I watch. My every aspiration and passing thought was a transactional end point for slop firms.

I will die old and lonely before I let you turn my friendships into a fucking commodity LMAO.

GreenKnight23@lemmy.world on 03 May 07:38 next collapse

he’s right. I don’t have any friends.

because I refuse to use his shitty platform and every human I have came in contact with for my entire life is so hollow and selfish they can’t interact with a human being without some form of technology.

so I come on lemmy and harass fascist supporting scum as a hobby.

uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 03 May 10:28 next collapse

Now that the US has actual concentration camps and actual Nacht und Nebel disappearances, not to mention arrests of judges and political enemies, we have a lot of folk who have been promoted from silent bystander to collaborator or complicit in the imminent holocaust.

The next step for the regime is to decide imprisonment of the undesirables is too expensive and we should proceed to evacuation (id est, mass execution).

The complicit category includes every elected or appointed official that continues to cooperate with the current government without obstructing procedure until the facilities are closed and prisoners set free, including those on foreign soil. Democrats included.

PeteZa@lemm.ee on 03 May 10:31 collapse

I tried making a new FB account recently, strictly for business purposes and they suspended my account immediately. Looked it up and apparently it’s pretty common. I was shocked at first but am now happy they did that. Fuck FB.

aesthelete@lemmy.world on 03 May 07:49 next collapse

Fuck you four eyes

doodledup@lemmy.world on 03 May 08:39 next collapse

Not even opening that. I’m tired of these clickbait and hatebait articles.

xeekei@lemm.ee on 03 May 09:05 next collapse

He’s half-right.

overload@sopuli.xyz on 03 May 10:15 next collapse

He’s right, and none of my friends even post to Facebook anymore (neither do I).

PeteZa@lemm.ee on 03 May 10:28 next collapse

I could live out the remainder of my life without using a Zuckerberg product and be totally fine with that.

RottenState@feddit.dk on 03 May 13:07 next collapse

You would in fact be better off.

SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org on 03 May 13:42 collapse

No Facebook, Whatsapp, Instagram, Occulus Rift. And of course whatever else they will buy up in the future.

ihatefascist@lemm.ee on 03 May 10:47 next collapse

How people still use meta products is beyond me

hector@sh.itjust.works on 03 May 17:26 next collapse

Whatsapp for my family group, Instagram rarely to keep with my friends (I’m gen z)

Ledericas@lemm.ee on 04 May 06:17 collapse

older people, and some right wingers do.

Cocodapuf@lemmy.world on 03 May 11:20 next collapse

Is that so? Will the chatbots help me pack a van when I need to move? Will they stand next to me at my wedding? I’m thrilled to hear that bots can finally replace friends! (Something the people have been clamoring for)

Demdaru@lemmy.world on 03 May 12:55 collapse

With amount of walker bots prototypes… Soon.

jaemo@sh.itjust.works on 03 May 13:07 next collapse

Thanks, Cinco!

ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee on 03 May 13:29 next collapse

He thinks that based on the few years of bots people already talking to on his platforms. Wait for the announcement and see his creepy smile on stage while he says “you already been doing it and that’s ok”. Just. Like. Everything. Else.

SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org on 03 May 13:40 next collapse

Of course he would say that, Chatbots are the only friends he has.

Ledericas@lemm.ee on 04 May 06:16 collapse

android-zuckerborg talking to chatbots, he is among friends.

geography082@lemm.ee on 03 May 17:04 next collapse

Impressive how a single guy pathology shaped an entire generation and the internet

nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br on 03 May 17:56 next collapse

I already know a couple of people who already talk to chatbots as if they were their friends. This is so depressing… And by the current state of things, I might be reading bot publications and replying to bots here and there, without knowing. That just increases my will to die

eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 03 May 18:11 next collapse

I’m wondering whether this is a privileged/feels like deserves privilege white guy thing.

Down here with the queerdos and minorities, I’m seeing people engage more fully with each other, be more willing to take on friends and lovers, in the last few months.

Some are getting caught by chat bots, yes, but a lot of people are out there trying to grab human connection while we still can.

I certainly feel like the “I’m the übermensch and revel in cruelty, empathy is a weakness” mentality that the straight basic wypipo have adopted will not only discourage other people from wanting to be their friend, but also discourages themselves from seeking friendship, because they see it as a weakness.

Rivalarrival@lemmy.today on 04 May 02:18 next collapse

youtu.be/bBkqI7EQp0A

j0ester@lemmy.world on 04 May 03:54 next collapse

I don’t need friends. I’m married.

Cocopanda@futurology.today on 04 May 05:39 next collapse

This dude will lose his money. Facebook and meta will collapse under the weight of fake content.

Ledericas@lemm.ee on 04 May 06:14 next collapse

android zuckerberg married to a human wife.

Kolanaki@pawb.social on 04 May 06:16 next collapse

In order to be my friend, I’m going to have to require verification that you’re a human. Please tell me the exact GPS coordinates of all the traffic lights on Earth.

Snapz@lemmy.world on 04 May 06:40 next collapse

He doesn’t think much of anything himself. He’s a scared little boy, because that’s where he cut his teeth. He has no vision for anything, just reaction and fear.

fmtx@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 04 May 07:04 next collapse

I mean he’s not wrong about the former, but he can fuck off about the latter.

kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 04 May 21:30 collapse

Making fun of Zuck and his chatbots is a good way to bond with friends.

TwinTitans@lemmy.world on 05 May 04:46 collapse

I don’t. But that’s by design.