from ptz@dubvee.org to technology@lemmy.world on 13 Jun 15:48
https://dubvee.org/post/1335323
Intel’s 916,000-pound shipment is a “cold box,” a self-standing air-processor structure that facilitates the cryogenic technology needed to fabricate semiconductors. The box is 23 feet tall, 20 feet wide, and 280 feet long, nearly the length of a football field. The immense scale of the cold box necessitates a transit process that moves at a “parade pace” of 5-10 miles per hour. Intel is taking over southern Ohio’s roads for the next several weeks and months as it builds its new Ohio One Campus, a $28 billion project to create a 1,000-acre campus with two chip factories and room for more. Calling it the new “Silicon Heartland,” the project will be the first leading-edge semiconductor fab in the American Midwest, and once operational, will get to work on the “Angstrom era” of Intel processes, 20A and beyond.
I don’t know why, but I’ve never thought of the transport logistics involved in building a semiconductor fabrication plant.
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Looks like they put the oversized load on a boat for as long as they could, but have to do the last leg by road.
Yep, the fab plant is a little east of Columbus (just south of where I live actually). This is one of like 2 dozen “super loads” that has to make its way from the Ohio River up to the plant. I swear there is a website somewhere that keeps track of when the are coming, the routes they take, and the closures involved but my Google-fu is failing me now.
If it makes you feel any better it’s probably Google that’s failing, not you
Look at the bright side, once intel gets this new plant up and running cranking out next-gen chips, Google will be able to fail you even faster!
Even before Google stopped working, I’m not sure the results of googling “super load” would have been what you are looking for.
Try “super loads AND when they are coming?”
site:reddit.com Columbus super loadAs excited as I am to see my home city actually growing and gaining national attention, I miss the chill cow-town vibes. Traffic is only gonna get worse from here.
Columbus will always be growth limited until it gets some goddamn light rail/subway in place.
WORLD’S. FASTEST. BULLETTRAIN. NETWORK.
Is this it?
I mean, everyone has been crying and whinging for years, decades even, that the USA needs to ramp up semiconductor fabrication in case shit goes south in Taiwan. We are finally getting some domestic production power and we’re getting outraged by the traffic delays? America will sink itself because of our people’s own addiction to comfort and complaining about any slight to that comfort.
Is this going to raise gas prices!!?!
Does anything NOT raise gas prices?
EVs
They need to raise gas tax to offset EVs, ergo, higher gas prices!
Not for EV drivers, I guess?
True 1% people.
Oh don’t worry, states are already working on mileage taxes for EVs. A few even already have them in place.
I haven’t switched over fully to EV even but I’m actually FOR higher gas prices (go ahead throw your stones). Like high enough that the rich fucks in UAE don’t get richer because it actually causes people to drive less and that surcharges get used towards things like helping families that have suffered from Pb exposure and efforts to offset carbon emissions and fund clean energy research.
I agree with you…the cost of a gallon of gas is, and has always been, less than the cost to remove a gallon of gas worth of CO2 from the atmosphere, and I don’t think the price should ever have been less than that amount. I don’t think that’s an unfair position, cleaning up your mess should be a part of the cost of the good.
But man what a way to fuck the majority of the 99%.
Maybe temporarily, but I think it would help the push back for more remote working, more thoughtful use of transportation, better motivation to use and build public transportation. It’s getting back to what op was saying about America’s unwillingness to bear some pain points that can allow for real progress and ultimately more comfort.
I don’t even think this is complaining about mild inconvenience, it’s just outrage addiction that has taken over most of the country.
The top two things any given American will complain about on a local level.
Don’t forget the taxes that pay for said roads
Is Intel paying the state or country for this abuse of the logistics network? This feels like freeloading on a publicly funded piece of infrastructure.
I’m assuming the transport accommodations are part of the perk package (for lack of a better way to put it)
I have no insight into this particular plant, but in most big investments like this, the company is usually in talks with several locations negotiating for the best tax breaks, permitting accommodations, etc under the promise that it will bring skilled jobs to the area.
Basically, it’s seen as an investment both from the company and the location’s points-of-view.
I’m a logistics professional with some project cargo experience. The transportation arrangements are almost certainly being made by a private company not related to Intel. There are only a handful of trailers in the country that can move something like this.
Intel will be paying people to build and work at the factory. Highly skilled labor that can’t be shipped overseas easily. It will also likely bring other companies to the area because of access to those highly skilled workers. The state will likely make more a lot more back in taxes and economic growth than the cost of the transports.
Intel also works with local community colleges to offer semiconductor specific training to be a manufacturing technician, and it’s not a huge jump to be a maintenance/repair tech or jump to IT within the fab and in my experience all those roles from technician to IT pay fairly good wages high 20’s to mid 30’s/hr and up depending on experience.
That’s a nice thought but what we’ve seen throughout history is the polar opposite.
Yup.
Without checking, I’m betting that Ohio gave them incredibly tax breaks that are nearly without end, meaning none of the money goes back into the local economy whatsoever
My states done it so many times now, and we don’t have income tax, so none of the money goes back into the local economy on the executive side, only on the workers side, putting all the issues it causes on workers! Woo!
I hope truckers, pilot car drivers and dispatchers will be making crazy money off this parade as well. Ohio exists, might as well make the best of it. XD
Road closures for oversize loads always cost money, sometimes on a per minute basis
The investment in public infrastructure is not only for you to use on your car. Part of it is enabling the industrial growth of the region.
If every company had to build its own infrastructure, why are they paying taxes?
It would be a huge waste to have that much one-time infrastructure.
We all pay. That’s how it works. Gas taxes and registration fees. The driver paid for a license. The truck had sales tax. It’s a distributed payment method. Not a pay as needed system. Unless they go on a toll road. But that’s a separate rant.
It’s Ohio
But how many football fields does it weigh?
About 4,000 washing machines.
Metric or imperial?
Yes.
Cheeseburgers per freedom
Imptric of course!
Those are some incredibly heavy washing machines.
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Well a football field is 57,600 sq ft, and a cubic foot of dirt weighs between 110-140 lbs depending on composition. That means that an average football field at a depth of one foot weighs around 6,912,000 lbs.
This thing weighs 916,000 lbs. So it is 0.1325231481 football fields.
But how deep do you have to go to comprise a football field? At what depth does it stop being a football field and become just a normal field?
I hope they’re paying huge fees to the local DOTs…
Their stock is basically on sale right now. And the feds are throwing billions at them…
🤑
Wait, for real? Because they just grabbed a giant defense contract. That stock should be a pretty safe long term bet now.
I’m sayinnnm
Daddy Warbucks has likely got Intel and Boeing’s back. And something about the current air smells awfully war-y.
Boeing hasn’t fallen as far as I’d hoped though.
I wouldn’t trust me though. I’m a doofus on the internet.
We’re all doofuses here. You’re in good company!
And not a single photo? The thing in the main photo aint it
See ODOT’s website for photo and route.
www.transportation.ohio.gov/about-us/…/superload
Heh. So many innuendos.
Not sure if this image from the DOT is actually of this specific shipment because I found this image from April when they moved the eighth part and it’s less that half the weight. Here’s a two minute video of it.
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My condolences to whoever lives in that house.
Have fun dealing with the damage to the infrastructure 👍
It’s Ohio. What infrastructure?
There is none. None they would have to avoid or drive around, at least. Imagine a thing like that in Manhattan. …
So…just another Tuesday.
They say a single truck puts the same wear on the road as 10 000 cars. Now imagine a truck with a load of 450 tons…
Neat!
They did something similar with some transformers here in Australia, and unfortunately there were some possibly associated traffic incidents where people might have not been going the right speed and got rear-ended. One man died, even.
Please avoid the route, even when it is pulled over to “rest”, as your fellow motorists may not be able to resist rubbernecking.
Why didn’t the transformers just drive themselves? Or better yet turn into airplanes?
/s
More than meets the Eye.
This is why ultrasized cargo airships need to be a thing. Just sling that bad boy underneath a kilometre long hydrogen dirigible and fly it to its destination.
Oh the humanity
Or, historically, when you’re building a new factory, the first thing you do is build a rail connection right next to it
This is also good, but, on the other hand, airships are awesome
A rail line that can handle a 280 foot piece of cargo would be heaven for high speed adoption with how straight it would have to be.
Yes because the 1920s-1940s are famously indicative of reliable hydrogen based airship transport
Sure, throw out a perfectly good idea because technology hasn’t advanced at all in the last 100 years.
They aren’t very good, and they probably can’t be. You’re limited by the laws of physics on what they can carry for their enormous size. The Hindenberg was the largest of them, but including passengers and crew together, it carried less than 100 people. They scale really, really poorly.
We can improve on old dirigibles somewhat with lighter weight materials and engines. We’re ultimately limited by the volume of the lifting gas, and we’re just not going to add that much more capacity. Even if someone figured out a vacuum dirigible (which would be very vulnerable to a puncture), it’d only improve things marginally. It’s an interesting engineering challenge, though.
One thing where dirigibles might be useful is windmill blades. Blades aren’t that heavy, but they can’t get much bigger while being transported on highways. Constructing the blades on site is another option, so we’ll see which one wins.
Science and engineering aren’t magic that makes everything better over time always, and people need to stop acting like it does. There are physical limits that we can’t breach. As another example, we haven’t significantly improved on the drag coefficient of designs by Porsche or the Chrysler Airflow back in the 1930s. There was a design Mercedes came up with a while back that’s based on the boxfish that did reduce it further, but its frontal cross section is so high that it doesn’t matter, anyway. (It’s also ugly as fuck, but that’s a different matter.)
Isn’t the more recent direction airships?
Lifting volume and flammability (is that a word?). It’s just a very volatile gas and we’re not going to magic that away with fancy tech. There are more reliable ways to move freight through the air.
if you look at the history of what happened to each Zeppelin airship you get a really good idea why it’s a bad idea.
LZ1: damaged during initial flight, repaired and flown two more times before investors backed out causing the ship to be sold for scrap.
LZ2: suffered double engine failure and crashed into a mountain. While anchored to the mountain awaiting repairs a storm destroyed it beyond repair.
LZ3: built from salvaged parts of LZ2. Severally damaged in storm. After LZ4’s destruction LZ3 was repaired and was accepted by the German military who eventually scrapped it.
LZ4: suffered from chronic engine failure. While repairing the engines a gust of wind blew the ship free of its mooring and struck a tree causing the ship to ignite and burn to the ground.
LZ5: destroyed in a storm.
LZ6: destroyed in its hanger by fire.
LZ7: destroyed after crashing in a thunderstorm.
LZ8: destroyed by wind.
LZ9: this one actually worked and survived for three years before being decommissioned.
LZ10: caught on fire and destroyed after a gust of wind blew its mooring line into itself.
LZ11: destroyed while attempting to move the ship into it’s hanger
LZ12 & LZ13: both flew successful careers before being decommissioned a few years later.
LZ14: destroyed in a thunderstorm.
LZ15: destroyed during an emergency landing.
LZ16: was stolen by the French. ***
LZ17: decommissioned after the war.
LZ18: exploded during its test flight.
LZ19: damaged beyond repair during an emergency landing.
LZ129: the Hindenburg.
LZ127: retired and scrapped after flying over a million miles.
LZ130: flew 30 flights before being dismantled for parts to aid in the war effort
The problem is with airships and aerostats in general is you need a massive balloon just to lift a small amount of weight but the larger you make it the more susceptible to weather it ends up being. With the amount of surface area a balloon that’s a 1km long has you would have to spend a considerable amount of energy just to stop it from blowing away in the wind, as inefficient as it is the truck may actually use less fuel because of this.
That said, the Zeppelin NT has, as far as I know, a perfect flight record.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeppelin_NT
We’ve made a lot of advances since the early 20th century, believe it or not. I don’t think using semirigid airships as both cargo transports and “satellites” needed for temporary communications purposes over a large area such as a disaster zone where cell communication has been lost would be out of the question now.
The biggest advancement they made was making it smaller. Zeppelin NTs are a fraction of the size of what Ferdinand von Zeppelin was designing in his day. Because of their smaller and the switch to helium Zeppelin NTs has a miniscule payload capacity at 4200 pounds. To put that into perspective that’s the same payload capacity as a Ford F250. Even with their reduced surface area and modern flight controllers controllers the Zeppelin NTs still haven’t solved the weather issue as they are restricted from flying in winds greater than 22MPH and when VFR is not available.
And that’s only the bed capacity. An F250 can tow over 20,000 lbs depending on the trailer design. Most trucks and SUVs can tow >4200lbs.
Towing capacity isn’t really apples to apples which is why I used payload capacity which is more directly comparable. Don’t get me wrong though I’d love to see an airship towing a trailer.
You’re comparing a pickup truck to a zeppelin, there’s no way to make that apples to apples. If someone needs to move something big with a truck they’re probably going to tow it, not try to load it into the bed.
I am comparing payload weights because it’s directly comparable between all vehicles. I am not sure if you understand payload weight fully. This is the rating for everything you put in the vehicle (airship or not) and includes everything from people to the trailers tounge if you are towing. Just because your truck can tow 20Klb does not mean you can exceed the payload capacity. A lot of first time RV buyers learn this the hard way when they buy a 10Klb trailer to tow with their 2018 F150 only to find out there isn’t even enough payload capacity left over for the driver because the tounge weight is 1000lb. Air ships (and aircraft for that matter) use the same payload capacity calculations where again anything put inside the vehicle counts towards the payload including people. This is why we can directly compare the two vehicles payload capacity.
No, comparing a zeppelin with a pickup will never be a direct comparison.
How are the payload weights between pickup trucks and Zeppelins different then?
They are fundamentally different types of vehicles. But putting that aside, if you want to compare the largest payload that each vehicle can transport you wouldn’t just use the pickup truck’s GVWR, you would also include it’s towing capacity. There’s a reason 90% of the time people use a pickup to haul something, they’re towing.
I wonder why they don’t move this in chunks and assemble them locally. A transport like this must cost a gazillion.
I’m assuming because they can’t.
Yeah if I had to guess a lot of components need to be assembled/put together in a clean room. Then to keep everything “clean”, mine as well just assemble it all in one place, which isn’t likely doable on site.
No, really??!!
This is moving it in chunks.
Isn’t Angstrom 10^-10 meters? And nanometers 10^-9 meters? So 20A (assuming A = Angstrom) is just 2nm?
Are they trying to say that by moving to this new era, they’ll go single digit Angstrom i.e., 0.x nm?
Yes, but that is long past an actuall transistor size and just a marketing term.
So what is the actual transistor size then? And why use an SI unit then anyway? Why not use femto-bananas then when it does not reflect the real size?
Smallest features are around 13nm due to EUV wavelength. I think people incorporated hacks to etch smaller stuff but not much smaller.
I think it is similar stuff as with Moore’s “law” that is not an actuall law only a trend or myth.
In the 70’ 80’ 90’ that number represented an actuall size and it stuck into 00’ 10’ and 20’
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Those are all marketing names not real dimensions.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/14_nm_process
God, it’s like women’s clothing sizes all over again.
There’s also an argument out there that companies should stop talking about feature sizes (that are fudged for marketing all the time, anyway) and instead talk about density of components.
Also, if you think Moore’s Law is about density of components, then the industry has kept up. However, that’s not actually what Moore claimed way back when: wumpus-cave.net/post/2024/03/…/index.html
Angstrom was invented in physics because they needed a length unit that was smaller than SI prefixes would allow. The industry only picked it up once they got to a certain level.
(Contrary to what a lot of people think, physicists do not strictly follow SI. They bypass it for reasons of convenience all the time.)
It’s kind of like needing the proper units for the scale you need to work at.
The biggest news here is that semiconductor production is amping up in the states, which is good for national security and reduces reliance on Taiwan.
True. That’s definitely a fact / good thing that’s getting overlooked.
Slightly less good for the people of Taiwan.
Ehhh. We are really just hedging our bets. As I understand it we are focusing on production of the older generations of chips. That frees up Taiwan to focus on the bleeding edge chips. Losing Taiwan would still be a massive blow to the global economy.
Shouldn’t come as much surprise though. We’re not going to risk nuclear armageddon over nVidia’s stock price.
There’ll be lots of huffing and puffing, stern statements and red lines drawn, but if China decide they really want it, they’ll take it and the rest of the world won’t really do much.
Everyone has way too much of their infrastructure in China and they know it.
Exactly that is why everyone said about Russia and where are we now?
When push comes to shove…
And that ignores the shit show it will be for China to conquer Taiwan, which it will be even without help from the US.
Thanks, Biden
The bigger news here is something from his administration is coming to fruition that creates American jobs and reduces foreign dependency on a major commodity for both civilian and military applications.
I want a 916,000 pound super load in my ass
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Not even the Goatse guy…
As a wise man once said:
“Down in Ohio Swag like Ohio”
Wish they had a photo of the thing. That’s not a 280 ft trailer.
It was a 280 foot trailer but due to Moore’s law, it has undergone multiple shrink cycles while still maintaining 280 feet worth of storage inside.