'Eyes Everywhere': Congress Is About to Vote to Expand Mass Surveillance of Americans, Experts Warn
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from L4s@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 12 Dec 2023 16:00
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from L4s@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 12 Dec 2023 16:00
https://lemmy.world/post/9481976
‘Eyes Everywhere’: Congress Is About to Vote to Expand Mass Surveillance of Americans, Experts Warn::Privacy experts worry that a proposed reform bill would greatly widen how the government can surveil Americans’ digital communications.
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Don’t know why they bother, they don’t seem to care about what’s legal anyway.
They want to be like the CCP.
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But why? What’s in it for them?
More power. That’s what it’s always been about.
Its about pushing boundaries.
If a camera on every street corner is legal, just imagine what they are doing with that data.
Same thing with actionable data. If the goal is to just abduct you in a black helicopter and waterboard you, the law doesn’t matter. If the goal is to ruin your reputation and put you and other “enemies of the state” in prison, then you need a legal basis. Otherwise it becomes a huge kerfuffle and you become a martyr.
With AI and knowledge of everyone, the rich will be able to control us. Some might say they’re not controllable, but you are the minority. Mass surveillance and control is what we’re heading for. 1984 I might sound like a tinfoil nutjob but it’s slowly happening and most don’t even notice.
Why bother? We are already on our way to a more Brave New World style dystopia where we actively surrender because of the opioids and orgasm boxes.
We keep going backwards in regards to digital privacy.
That’s been kinda the whole theme of the US lately.
22+ years isn’t what I’d consider “lately”
You might when you’re older
Kissinger?
Holy hell, they said “older,” not “antediluvian.” 😆
Far more than that, they were fighting encryption through the 80s and 90s
Have we ever gone forward?
If you follow the EFF, there are occasionally small victories, but overwhelmingly no.
What do I look like a shareholder?
It is the mission to make sure Osama bin Laden’s long game was successful. He destroyed democracy and freedom exactly like he wanted. Now we have Republican Jihads. He won.
The terrorists won the moment air travel became a living hell.
I’ll take “things that boomers don’t understand” for 400, alex.
For anyone that still doesn’t know, this is already a thing for all US made (owned) hardware. Has been for 15 years+. This is expanding it to everything that would be sold on the market. You know phones are hotspots too… That’s right.
You know why the US is so against Huawei? Because they CANT spy on every packet like they can with a Cisco, Juniper, Ruckus, etc switch. And when those start to be installed in scale, it’s a problem for the intelligence collection. This is just a small change to make what’s already there more palatable in stages. So that in another decade when things become declassified fully and more publisized, Americans don’t believe it is an issue.
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Indeed, it’s useful to China for blackmail, but they’d have a much harder time rolling me up in the US than the US government. And it’s likely hardly worth the effort to the extent they might try.
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Absolutely. I 100% prefer the Chinese to have all my data. I am a nothing person with no political power so if China wants to surveil me and train datasets with my data, cool. Because the alternative is the US and five eyes having that data and I absolutely do not want that.
Unfortunately it makes you look like the crazy uncle in the tinfoil hat if you try to bring it up. It’s so outlandishly crazy like a Hollywood movie people don’t believe it’s real.
It only makes you look crazy because the useful idiots have been duped into defending their ruling class.
It’s okay when Americans spy on you. It’s not okay when Chinese spy on you.
It’s also okay for the American government to lie about spying on you and make whoever reveals the extent of that spying public enemy #1.
I never take anyone seriously when I see them bitching about Huawei being Chinese spyware.
Like, bro, where have you been since 9/11?
Of course, the useful idiots chomp at the bit whenever something related to China comes out. Yet they’re radio silent when the same damn shit is being said about the US.
I’m sorry, a SWITCH being backdoored when they are 95% not exposed to the internet?
From the actual bill: intelligence.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?D…
That’s not from the bill; that’s from a press release.
Oops! Spied on you. Sooowwwyy. I’ll take a paid week off(to think about your nudes).
Apparently, as a nation, we’re supposed to be surprised that they’re trying to pass laws that “let” them do what they’ve already been doing for decades…
Literally 1984. Since when are the US of A a part of Oceania?
USA has always been at war with Eastasia.
No, the USA has always been at war with Eurasia. Oh wait sorry that was yesterday. You are right. The USA has always been at war with Eastasia. What were we talking about again? bb plusgood.
Comrade, I think you misspelled doubleplusgood
They pulled both bills due to backlash: vice.com/…/fisa-surveillance-bill-congress-pulled.
Your voices do matter. Don’t ever drop your guard. Privacy will be a battle to stay vigilant over forever.
That’s a pretty idealist take in the grand scheme of things. We have hard data that public opinion has virtually no influence on what the law is.
act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba
If it’s something capitalists really want, it’ll get put into law. In this case, it’s possible they actually don’t care to give the government the ability to surveil the public better, so it might be one of the very few things where public backlash could stop it (would actually need data to support this, not just some anecdotes).
Trying to apply this to the broader sociopolitical climate and saying “your voices do matter” is just too reductive. If it’s the public vs. the capitalist class in American “democracy”, the capitalist class wins every time.
"For the master’s tools will never dismantle the master’s house. They may allow us to temporarily beat him at his own game, but they will never enable us to bring about genuine change. "
i always hate these headlines, who the hell are those “experts”, same applies to the word “scientists”