Meta and Salesforce are looking to re-hire some workers they just laid off. It's putting those people in an awkward spot
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from L4s@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 25 Sep 2023 14:00
https://lemmy.world/post/5710895
from L4s@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 25 Sep 2023 14:00
https://lemmy.world/post/5710895
Meta and Salesforce are looking to re-hire some workers they just laid off. It’s putting those people in an awkward spot::Big Tech wants to bring back some of the workers it laid off. The decision might come down to how a company handled the layoffs.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
Salesforce told Bloomberg it expects to hire in areas like sales, engineering, and data cloud product teams — and said the new workers will help grow the company’s AI business to draw further investments.
Salesforce execs, and Benioff in particular, have over the years encouraged workers to view their colleagues and the company itself as “Ohana,” a Hawaiian term referring to family.
Earlier this year, the company — under pressure from activist investors to boost growth and margins — said it would step up its focus on profitability and efficiency.
One Reddit user, in late July, asked for advice on whether to return to a former employer that had laid the person off only to turn around weeks later and offer a management position in a different division.
The person, who’d already started another, less-lucrative job, faced a dilemma: “The company laid me off not too long ago so I obviously have reservations,” the user wrote.
Sucher said those workers who do decide to give it another go with a former employer are likely going to want to know what a company’s strategy is so that it doesn’t find itself once again cutting staff.
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Hard fuckin pass.
For me it was this:
Any company that tries to pull that type of psychological shit is just looking to take advantage of workers.
Agreed, but the AI comment is a little worrying to me. It reeks of “We just realized we can train an AI on your data to do your job. On an unrelated note, would you like your job back?”
You’re missing out then. AI tech jobs might as well be fucking voodoo to the suits still. If you can write a basic pytorch app, you can get paid a huge amount of money to do very little work at the moment.
You misunderstood, I am reading that as not rehiring AI tech jobs, but rehiring with the intent of using the employee’s data to train AI. Like they laid them off and said “Oh shit, come back. We forgot to steal your data before we shitcanned ya.”
If they no longer wanted you because investors told them to get rid of you, why would they care about you if you rejoined?
If you’re not desperate for a job, and found it at least tolerable before, then I’d say ask for an outrageous salary increase. Worst-case, you stay at your new job, best case you go back to your old job but making more money.
Meh, with that higher pay you’ll be first on the chopping block the next time investors get antsy anyway. Better to just stick with the new place.
Aren’t there any contratcs in Usa which they absolutely can’t terminate in the first N months or so?
Hahahahaha. No. Not at the working class level, anyways. At the executive level, maybe someones.
Two things I find disturbing here: first, that such contracts are apparently impossible; second, that they are so very impossible that you find it funny.
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Require big extras plus signing bonus to cover the time and frustration of being laid off.
Then spend your free time interviewing with other companies that better match your expectations
“I need a signing bonus with an anti-layoff clause”
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Wait… Why would it be awkward for the employees who you want to re-hire? They would just simply ask a much higher pay… You need their expertise and their knowledge, you have to pay their demanded salary…
It should be more awkward for the companies…
Because this was intended to reduce salaries. And many of those people who were laid off have been unemployed since and are likely desperate for a paycheck again.
You’ll see these folks easily take a 50 to 100k cut on TC. (granted many are making 300k+ already)
On the flip side, there’s also the issue of their generous severance packages. Slight TC drop but for a lot of time they got to just sit and wait things out.
I don’t want to diminish the stress though, the stress of not knowing what’s next is huge, and in my opinion should be accounted for in the TC to return.
In circumstances where you decide to leave and are rehired they start you back at the low end of the band for the level you’re at, however in layoff situations I’ve heard you’re generally rehired at the salary you made before layoffs as long as you had decent ratings.
If they’re taking an immediate cut after layoffs it’s likely because their RSUs have reset, which also means they get an initial grant that’s higher than the continuous equity refreshers. In every scenario I’ve seen you average more TC while your initial grant is active, so while this might be an immediate cut, they’ll average more compensation over the vesting period of the initial grant.
I know some people in FAANG and spend a lot of time on Blind.
I believe the “correct” term now is “MAAAN”?
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Okay, I’ll come back. But for twice the pay and half of the work.
I think this is the answer. Time for the companies to experience the bad side of fire and rehire.
Four day work week and I’d consider it.
And all of them WFH.
If you rejoin either of these companies after they already fired you, you get what you deserve.
Not much longer we’re going to have to bring a lawyer to interviews to make sure we get paid our worth and not get one pulled over our heads.
A signifigant raise and a big signing bonus?
That’s the only way a company that fired me could hope to get me back.
I would accept it back and just not give a shit while I work on skills I want to improve. On the job training basically.
Make sure they double your salary, and if they don’t give you an ironclad contract, keep looking for other jobs. Screw those guys.
Pretty common in tech layoffs altogether. Been through several waves over the years and typically the CEO goes “we don’t need this team, what do they do anyways?” before firing them and finding out exactly what that team did. I’ve always told coworkers to tell them hell no.
Nah, im sticking to my new place. However if they gonna double and work half a day or just 2 hours. I’ll reconsider as a side job.