helenslunch@feddit.nl
on 23 Nov 2023 23:31
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I use Gnome BTW
Teknikal@lemm.ee
on 24 Nov 2023 01:29
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My recommendation is librefox and if you really want a chrome based alternative I’d suggest Thorium (although I don’t know what thorium will do when this is implemented I’m hoping they don’t follow it.)
Aceticon@lemmy.world
on 24 Nov 2023 13:11
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I went from Netscape to Mozzila and from Mozilla to Firefox and, guess what… my browser never fucked me up in the name of maximizing corporate profits.
Google was already a wholly untrustworth Ad Company With A Tech Arm back when they invented Chrome, and shit like this was already back then a question of WHEN, not IF.
ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world
on 23 Nov 2023 23:07
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For anyone interested, as of November 2023:
Web browsers using Gecko (Firefox’s engine): GNU IceCat, Waterfox, K-Meleon, Lunascape, Portable Firefox, Conkeror, Classilla, TenFourFox. Edit: and Fennec
Web browsers using the Goanna engine (which is a fork of Gecko): Pale Moon, Basilisk.
Flow is a web browser with its own proprietary browser engine.
The other active engines listed are: WebKit (Apple’s engine), and Blink (Google’s engine, which they forked off of WebKit, and which is used for Chrome, Chromium, and countless other browsers).
viking@infosec.pub
on 23 Nov 2023 23:13
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Fennec is also using Gecko.
helenslunch@feddit.nl
on 23 Nov 2023 23:31
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And Mull
dojan@lemmy.world
on 23 Nov 2023 23:53
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I’d no idea there’s a browser called Conkeror. That’s prertty funny since WebKit was based off of KHTML used in KDE’s Konqueror browser.
wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one
on 24 Nov 2023 02:43
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I use firefox, but Id never head of these alternatives.
Anyone who does have reviews? Pros, cons, reasons to use them beside variety?
Pale Moon still supports the even older extension model. I used it briefly until my extensions got updated to the newer format. I still kinda miss the old theme engine.
helenslunch@feddit.nl
on 24 Nov 2023 18:07
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I see the disconnect now. You’re mistaking “open source” for 'inherently good."
Uhhhh no you don’t see anything. I didn’t say anything like that.
the forks either have to either maintain an increasingly complex list of patches to apply to fix what Google does to Chromium (the browser that runs two thirds of the web) or simply accept it.
Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world
on 24 Nov 2023 17:41
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Because using Chromium and Chromium-based browsers reinforces Chrome’s market share dominance which will harm comparability as more and more sites will only be tested against Chrome and in many cases refuse to serve pages to other browsers without user agent string fuckery.
It also cultivates dependence on Google for the extension ecosystem, etc
helenslunch@feddit.nl
on 24 Nov 2023 18:02
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That is not my fault. 99% of those people are just using Chrome. I’m not going to use another browser that offers a degraded experience just to try to right the wrongs of the world. That is not my responsibility. When even a modicum of people start giving a shit about things like web standards, I will too.
Firefox is entirely funded by Google, telemetry and ad networks also, so frankly I’m not sure they’re any better.
It’s a great lifestyle, been a Linux main for about 15+ years, or around half my life so far. Highly recommend it to anyone who thinks it’s fun to use good software.
SaintWacko@midwest.social
on 24 Nov 2023 01:37
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Hm, should I try switching my old Surface Pro 3 from PopOS to Arch?
LazaroFilm@lemmy.world
on 24 Nov 2023 01:40
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Try Hanna Montana first.
KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml
on 23 Nov 2023 23:40
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Here’s what happening to me: I went to Firefox.
elbarto777@lemmy.world
on 23 Nov 2023 23:44
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Well, you say that, but this is what happened to me: I went to Firefox.
Snowcano@startrek.website
on 23 Nov 2023 23:59
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I was using Firefox back when it was cool. And now it’ll be cool again.
glorious_albus@lemmy.world
on 24 Nov 2023 02:42
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I used Firefox before chrome even was a thing and never moved away. Fuck chrome.
elbarto777@lemmy.world
on 24 Nov 2023 07:31
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I briefly lived in the dark side of IE6 because AOL fucked over the Netscape browser so badly. But then I came back like the prodigal son when Firefox (then Firebird) came along.
glorious_albus@lemmy.world
on 24 Nov 2023 08:57
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You’re an even older user than me then lol. I think it was '08 or '09 when I started using the internet.
elbarto777@lemmy.world
on 24 Nov 2023 09:04
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We’re all in this together, brother.
glorious_albus@lemmy.world
on 24 Nov 2023 14:32
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Hell yeah! They can take Firefox out of my cold dead hands.
Yeah I remember IE5 and NS4, as well as the Firebird/Phoenix/Firefox naming joys back in the day.
If you want to blow your brains out, try getting XHTML 1.1 working in IE6. It is indeed possible if you modify the XHTML DTD. Interestingly it’d render shit so much better since it’d use MSXML instead of Trident as the rendering engine. Sadly it would add about 400k to the page since it needed to load a custom DTD…
guacupado@lemmy.world
on 24 Nov 2023 22:07
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I went to Firefox when Chrome had that huge memory leak issue.
Kumabear@lemmy.world
on 24 Nov 2023 02:27
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I am now using Firefox…
I mean I was using Firefox before this, but I also am now as well you know.
lando55@lemmy.world
on 24 Nov 2023 02:35
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I used to use Firefox.
I still do, but I used to too.
Alto@kbin.social
on 24 Nov 2023 04:26
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People are fighting ads and switching browsers.
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Switching to what? Firefox. I don’t see the problem here. Install Firefox and forget those monopolistic enshitifying fucks.
<img alt="" src="https://cdn.pastemagazine.com/www/system/images/photo_albums/zoolander-time/large/zoolander-meme-6.jpg?1384968217">
But switch to what?
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I use Gnome BTW
My recommendation is librefox and if you really want a chrome based alternative I’d suggest Thorium (although I don’t know what thorium will do when this is implemented I’m hoping they don’t follow it.)
I went from Netscape to Mozzila and from Mozilla to Firefox and, guess what… my browser never fucked me up in the name of maximizing corporate profits.
Google was already a wholly untrustworth Ad Company With A Tech Arm back when they invented Chrome, and shit like this was already back then a question of WHEN, not IF.
For anyone interested, as of November 2023:
Web browsers using Gecko (Firefox’s engine): GNU IceCat, Waterfox, K-Meleon, Lunascape, Portable Firefox, Conkeror, Classilla, TenFourFox. Edit: and Fennec
Web browsers using the Goanna engine (which is a fork of Gecko): Pale Moon, Basilisk.
Flow is a web browser with its own proprietary browser engine.
The other active engines listed are: WebKit (Apple’s engine), and Blink (Google’s engine, which they forked off of WebKit, and which is used for Chrome, Chromium, and countless other browsers).
Fennec is also using Gecko.
And Mull
I’d no idea there’s a browser called Conkeror. That’s prertty funny since WebKit was based off of KHTML used in KDE’s Konqueror browser.
I use firefox, but Id never head of these alternatives.
Anyone who does have reviews? Pros, cons, reasons to use them beside variety?
Pale Moon still supports the even older extension model. I used it briefly until my extensions got updated to the newer format. I still kinda miss the old theme engine.
I thought it was pronounced Kay Melly-on, so I never tried it because of the silly name.
Pihole will be unaffected.
Yet infinitely easier than building a new browser from the bottom up
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I hear people say Chromium is bad for the web all the time but they all seem to think that Chromium = Chrome.
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Okay, would you like to elaborate beyond what I just said?
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What? Chromium is open source. That’s how Chromium-based browsers even exist.
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Uhhhh no you don’t see anything. I didn’t say anything like that.
And they do the former.
So I ask again, what’s the problem?
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If you’re just going to blatantly and plainly lie about what I said, where everyone can see it, I’m not going to continue engaging with you. Bye now 👋
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Which in no way resembles “open source is inherently good”, but thank you for reading my comments back to me.
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Because using Chromium and Chromium-based browsers reinforces Chrome’s market share dominance which will harm comparability as more and more sites will only be tested against Chrome and in many cases refuse to serve pages to other browsers without user agent string fuckery.
It also cultivates dependence on Google for the extension ecosystem, etc
That is not my fault. 99% of those people are just using Chrome. I’m not going to use another browser that offers a degraded experience just to try to right the wrongs of the world. That is not my responsibility. When even a modicum of people start giving a shit about things like web standards, I will too.
Firefox is entirely funded by Google, telemetry and ad networks also, so frankly I’m not sure they’re any better.
So, in short:
Thanks to Lemmy, I’m browsing on Firefox on Linux Arch…
And before you did what?
Chrome on Mac
Did you install Arch on your mac?
I’m glad to know I’m not the only one who went on a bit of an open-source mania because of all the Linux and FOSS nerds on here.
It’s a great lifestyle, been a Linux main for about 15+ years, or around half my life so far. Highly recommend it to anyone who thinks it’s fun to use good software.
Hm, should I try switching my old Surface Pro 3 from PopOS to Arch?
Try Hanna Montana first.
Here’s what happening to me: I went to Firefox.
Well, you say that, but this is what happened to me: I went to Firefox.
I, too, happened to me: Firefox.
I was using Firefox back when it was cool. And now it’ll be cool again.
I used Firefox before chrome even was a thing and never moved away. Fuck chrome.
I briefly lived in the dark side of IE6 because AOL fucked over the Netscape browser so badly. But then I came back like the prodigal son when Firefox (then Firebird) came along.
You’re an even older user than me then lol. I think it was '08 or '09 when I started using the internet.
We’re all in this together, brother.
Hell yeah! They can take Firefox out of my cold dead hands.
Yeah I remember IE5 and NS4, as well as the Firebird/Phoenix/Firefox naming joys back in the day.
If you want to blow your brains out, try getting XHTML 1.1 working in IE6. It is indeed possible if you modify the XHTML DTD. Interestingly it’d render shit so much better since it’d use MSXML instead of Trident as the rendering engine. Sadly it would add about 400k to the page since it needed to load a custom DTD…
I went to Firefox when Chrome had that huge memory leak issue.
I am now using Firefox…
I mean I was using Firefox before this, but I also am now as well you know.
I used to use Firefox.
I still do, but I used to too.
RIP Mitch
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On Arch?
Here? Almost. Arch-based at least. Do I btw use arch?
Cool story bro. Completely irrelevant comment for this post but cool story anyway.
Google's ads can lick my nads.
When I went to read the comments of this post, and for some reason it took 10 sec for them to show up in my client, I thought of Google…
I am forever grateful for my father having Firefox installed on the xp hand-me-down that became my first computer
Interesting that article comes to the conclusion that uBlockOrigin Lite is basically as effective as the original and works on the new Manifest v3.
I’m glad you read the article, since it seems like nobody else in the comment section has!