Here's what's happening to ad blockers in Google Chrome (www.spacebar.news)
from corbin@infosec.pub to technology@lemmy.world on 23 Nov 2023 21:47
https://infosec.pub/post/5250763

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FlavoredButtHair@lemmy.world on 23 Nov 2023 21:50 next collapse

People are fighting ads and switching browsers.

[deleted] on 23 Nov 2023 22:16 collapse

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teft@startrek.website on 23 Nov 2023 22:26 next collapse

Switching to what? Firefox. I don’t see the problem here. Install Firefox and forget those monopolistic enshitifying fucks.

atx_aquarian@lemmy.world on 23 Nov 2023 22:48 next collapse

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FaceDeer@kbin.social on 23 Nov 2023 22:55 collapse
[deleted] on 23 Nov 2023 22:53 next collapse

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helenslunch@feddit.nl on 23 Nov 2023 23:31 collapse

I use Gnome BTW

Teknikal@lemm.ee on 24 Nov 2023 01:29 next collapse

My recommendation is librefox and if you really want a chrome based alternative I’d suggest Thorium (although I don’t know what thorium will do when this is implemented I’m hoping they don’t follow it.)

Aceticon@lemmy.world on 24 Nov 2023 13:11 collapse

I went from Netscape to Mozzila and from Mozilla to Firefox and, guess what… my browser never fucked me up in the name of maximizing corporate profits.

Google was already a wholly untrustworth Ad Company With A Tech Arm back when they invented Chrome, and shit like this was already back then a question of WHEN, not IF.

ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world on 23 Nov 2023 23:07 next collapse

For anyone interested, as of November 2023:

Web browsers using Gecko (Firefox’s engine): GNU IceCat, Waterfox, K-Meleon, Lunascape, Portable Firefox, Conkeror, Classilla, TenFourFox. Edit: and Fennec

Web browsers using the Goanna engine (which is a fork of Gecko): Pale Moon, Basilisk.

Flow is a web browser with its own proprietary browser engine.

The other active engines listed are: WebKit (Apple’s engine), and Blink (Google’s engine, which they forked off of WebKit, and which is used for Chrome, Chromium, and countless other browsers).

viking@infosec.pub on 23 Nov 2023 23:13 next collapse

Fennec is also using Gecko.

helenslunch@feddit.nl on 23 Nov 2023 23:31 collapse

And Mull

dojan@lemmy.world on 23 Nov 2023 23:53 next collapse

I’d no idea there’s a browser called Conkeror. That’s prertty funny since WebKit was based off of KHTML used in KDE’s Konqueror browser.

wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one on 24 Nov 2023 02:43 next collapse

I use firefox, but Id never head of these alternatives.

Anyone who does have reviews? Pros, cons, reasons to use them beside variety?

krakenx@lemmy.world on 24 Nov 2023 18:08 collapse

Pale Moon still supports the even older extension model. I used it briefly until my extensions got updated to the newer format. I still kinda miss the old theme engine.

Blorper59@lemmy.zip on 24 Nov 2023 16:13 collapse

I thought it was pronounced Kay Melly-on, so I never tried it because of the silly name.

Pihole will be unaffected.

helenslunch@feddit.nl on 23 Nov 2023 23:29 collapse

Every other Google Chromium fork will need to maintain an increasingly complex set of changes to the Google repository

Yet infinitely easier than building a new browser from the bottom up

[deleted] on 24 Nov 2023 03:10 collapse

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helenslunch@feddit.nl on 24 Nov 2023 04:36 collapse

I hear people say Chromium is bad for the web all the time but they all seem to think that Chromium = Chrome.

[deleted] on 24 Nov 2023 08:52 collapse

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helenslunch@feddit.nl on 24 Nov 2023 14:31 collapse

Okay, would you like to elaborate beyond what I just said?

[deleted] on 24 Nov 2023 15:01 next collapse

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helenslunch@feddit.nl on 24 Nov 2023 17:58 collapse

Chromium source code is still controlled and gatekeept by Google

What? Chromium is open source. That’s how Chromium-based browsers even exist.

[deleted] on 24 Nov 2023 18:05 collapse

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helenslunch@feddit.nl on 24 Nov 2023 18:07 collapse

I see the disconnect now. You’re mistaking “open source” for 'inherently good."

Uhhhh no you don’t see anything. I didn’t say anything like that.

the forks either have to either maintain an increasingly complex list of patches to apply to fix what Google does to Chromium (the browser that runs two thirds of the web) or simply accept it.

And they do the former.

So I ask again, what’s the problem?

[deleted] on 24 Nov 2023 19:49 collapse

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helenslunch@feddit.nl on 24 Nov 2023 19:58 collapse

Yes, you did. In your first comment in this thread.

If you’re just going to blatantly and plainly lie about what I said, where everyone can see it, I’m not going to continue engaging with you. Bye now 👋

[deleted] on 24 Nov 2023 20:09 collapse

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helenslunch@feddit.nl on 24 Nov 2023 20:22 collapse

Which in no way resembles “open source is inherently good”, but thank you for reading my comments back to me.

[deleted] on 24 Nov 2023 22:10 collapse

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Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world on 24 Nov 2023 17:41 collapse

Because using Chromium and Chromium-based browsers reinforces Chrome’s market share dominance which will harm comparability as more and more sites will only be tested against Chrome and in many cases refuse to serve pages to other browsers without user agent string fuckery.

It also cultivates dependence on Google for the extension ecosystem, etc

helenslunch@feddit.nl on 24 Nov 2023 18:02 collapse

That is not my fault. 99% of those people are just using Chrome. I’m not going to use another browser that offers a degraded experience just to try to right the wrongs of the world. That is not my responsibility. When even a modicum of people start giving a shit about things like web standards, I will too.

Firefox is entirely funded by Google, telemetry and ad networks also, so frankly I’m not sure they’re any better.

ekky@sopuli.xyz on 23 Nov 2023 22:18 next collapse

So, in short:

  • Google is not killing ad blockers, but merely chopping off both legs and arms in the name of security.
  • ublock Origin is implementing a lite version for chromium browsers, supposedly being pretty decent given the circumstances.
  • Old Manifest V2 extensions will be disabled in June 2024 and Manifest V2 will be removed in June 2025.
  • Firefox is Firefox.
  • Privacy and security focused chromium based browsers will have to implement proper native ad blocking.
LazaroFilm@lemmy.world on 23 Nov 2023 22:54 next collapse

Thanks to Lemmy, I’m browsing on Firefox on Linux Arch…

badmemes@feddit.de on 23 Nov 2023 23:10 next collapse

And before you did what?

LazaroFilm@lemmy.world on 23 Nov 2023 23:33 collapse

Chrome on Mac

elbarto777@lemmy.world on 23 Nov 2023 23:43 collapse

Did you install Arch on your mac?

Evkob@lemmy.ca on 24 Nov 2023 00:44 next collapse

I’m glad to know I’m not the only one who went on a bit of an open-source mania because of all the Linux and FOSS nerds on here.

victorz@lemmy.world on 24 Nov 2023 06:15 collapse

It’s a great lifestyle, been a Linux main for about 15+ years, or around half my life so far. Highly recommend it to anyone who thinks it’s fun to use good software.

SaintWacko@midwest.social on 24 Nov 2023 01:37 collapse

Hm, should I try switching my old Surface Pro 3 from PopOS to Arch?

LazaroFilm@lemmy.world on 24 Nov 2023 01:40 collapse

Try Hanna Montana first.

KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml on 23 Nov 2023 23:40 next collapse

Here’s what happening to me: I went to Firefox.

elbarto777@lemmy.world on 23 Nov 2023 23:44 collapse

Well, you say that, but this is what happened to me: I went to Firefox.

Snowcano@startrek.website on 23 Nov 2023 23:59 collapse

I, too, happened to me: Firefox.

Cralex@lemm.ee on 24 Nov 2023 01:39 collapse

I was using Firefox back when it was cool. And now it’ll be cool again.

glorious_albus@lemmy.world on 24 Nov 2023 02:42 collapse

I used Firefox before chrome even was a thing and never moved away. Fuck chrome.

elbarto777@lemmy.world on 24 Nov 2023 07:31 next collapse

I briefly lived in the dark side of IE6 because AOL fucked over the Netscape browser so badly. But then I came back like the prodigal son when Firefox (then Firebird) came along.

glorious_albus@lemmy.world on 24 Nov 2023 08:57 next collapse

You’re an even older user than me then lol. I think it was '08 or '09 when I started using the internet.

elbarto777@lemmy.world on 24 Nov 2023 09:04 collapse

We’re all in this together, brother.

glorious_albus@lemmy.world on 24 Nov 2023 14:32 collapse

Hell yeah! They can take Firefox out of my cold dead hands.

legios@aussie.zone on 24 Nov 2023 09:06 collapse

Yeah I remember IE5 and NS4, as well as the Firebird/Phoenix/Firefox naming joys back in the day.

If you want to blow your brains out, try getting XHTML 1.1 working in IE6. It is indeed possible if you modify the XHTML DTD. Interestingly it’d render shit so much better since it’d use MSXML instead of Trident as the rendering engine. Sadly it would add about 400k to the page since it needed to load a custom DTD…

guacupado@lemmy.world on 24 Nov 2023 22:07 collapse

I went to Firefox when Chrome had that huge memory leak issue.

Kumabear@lemmy.world on 24 Nov 2023 02:27 next collapse

I am now using Firefox…

I mean I was using Firefox before this, but I also am now as well you know.

lando55@lemmy.world on 24 Nov 2023 02:35 next collapse

I used to use Firefox.

I still do, but I used to too.

Alto@kbin.social on 24 Nov 2023 04:26 next collapse

RIP Mitch

[deleted] on 24 Nov 2023 06:05 collapse

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PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world on 24 Nov 2023 06:37 collapse

On Arch?

tissek@sopuli.xyz on 24 Nov 2023 08:09 collapse

Here? Almost. Arch-based at least. Do I btw use arch?

miridius@lemmy.world on 24 Nov 2023 19:15 collapse

Cool story bro. Completely irrelevant comment for this post but cool story anyway.

ArugulaZ@kbin.social on 24 Nov 2023 04:25 next collapse

Google's ads can lick my nads.

pirat@lemmy.world on 24 Nov 2023 11:27 next collapse

When I went to read the comments of this post, and for some reason it took 10 sec for them to show up in my client, I thought of Google…

sulsaz@lemmy.world on 24 Nov 2023 16:48 next collapse

I am forever grateful for my father having Firefox installed on the xp hand-me-down that became my first computer

holdthecheese@lemmy.world on 24 Nov 2023 17:58 collapse

Interesting that article comes to the conclusion that uBlockOrigin Lite is basically as effective as the original and works on the new Manifest v3.

miridius@lemmy.world on 24 Nov 2023 19:16 collapse

I’m glad you read the article, since it seems like nobody else in the comment section has!