Mom sues porn sites (Including Chaturbate, Jerkmate, Superporn and Hentaicity) for noncompliance with Kansas age assurance law; Teen can no longer enjoy life after mom caught him visiting Chaturbate
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My favorite part:
His mom claims this led to “pain, suffering, disability, disfigurement, and mental anguish; psychological injury; past and future love of enjoyment and pleasure of living.”
Getting caught does that
“Q.R., using his mother’s old laptop, had unfettered access to the internet and began searching for hardcore pornography,” says the court. His mom claims this led to “pain, suffering, disability, disfigurement, and mental anguish; psychological injury; past and future love of enjoyment and pleasure of living.”
It’s not the internet making your son feel those things, it’s you.
Why is the mom not responsible for giving her kid internet access.
Well she is, but also the law states she can get compensation if an adult site doesn’t age restrict minors.
Negligent is the word you’re looking for. And her child should be removed and put in a safe environment. At the least she should have to pay a fine and attend classes and child protection should make visits.
Disfigurement? Kid’s doing something wrong.
That’s truly some advanced-level porn.
Internet told him to break both his arms.
Mom is mad he doesn’t have energy left for her.
Ultra Porn is only for the old and infirm.
Don’t knock it till you try it
Mom never supported any kind of sexual education and definitely refuses any kind of healthy and mature conversation with the poor kid.
So the mom is suing Chaturbate, et al., because she thinks they’re going to cause her son to enjoy life in the future? Is that the mental gymnastics going on here?
I think it’s just poorly written pseudo-legalese, and it’s intended to mean that he will be unable to enjoy life in the future because of the psychological damage that poor is doing to him (unrealistic expectations and mental harm, et cetera).
While porn addiction and unrealistic ideas of beauty and sex are genuinely real things that happen, the way to prevent that is with frank, open discussions about sex and pornography, not trying to prevent your 14 year old from masturbating. I was a 14 year old boy at one point, and lemme tell you, nothing could stop me from masturbating. Nothing. It’s just not going to happen. Kids will find ways to find porn, and if somehow we completely do away with it entirely (again, won’t happen), they’ll find new ways, and they’ll read and write erotica or get into hentai or whatever. This woman is insane, Kansas is insane, and so are all the other states imposing this bullshit
Like you said, it’s never going to stop, and if they destroy access to all the ones who comply with legal requirements then the only ones left available will be the sketchy ones that don’t. I don’t think that’s where you want kids going, so just get the fuck out of the way and let the parents handle it.
Damn, he’s Disabled and Disfigured now?
…What was he doing?
He broke both his arms. He’ll need his mom for the jerking now.
It’s not even real. It’s a fabricated story to push an agenda of a special interest group.
Edit: to clarify, the news story is real, the mom’s story isn’t. It’s just a fiction to push the agenda.
Guess he’ll have to do it like we used to back in the day: lock himself in the bathroom with a Victoria’s Secret catalogue.
…sears catalog
Man fuck that bitch!
ok boomer
“Mom” isn’t doing this unless she’s uber rich. Someone is bankrolling her to try to set precedent.
Ding Ding Ding! You Win!
endsexualexploitation.org
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Pretty sure those NCOSE assholes are the ones who said school shootings and other mass murders are because of moral decline due to gay people.
Call them the Christian Taliban, and nothing else. They not worthy of any acronym or marketing they choose to hide behind. They’re fascist scum.
Genital obsessed religious extremists
I have found my new masturbation euphemism.
Beautifully stated!
I mean who doesn’t like opping their york in the shower after a long day
I’m pretty sure NCOSE is a cover for a pedo ring. They probably frequented Epstein’s parties.
They are a right-wing religious advocacy group. So it’s practically a guarantee.
So they just did a control + f for “sex” and then are against any of the results. Are they seriously suggesting that there are people out there who are all for sex trafficking, and would vote in favour of it? They sound like lovely people.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_o8vYUU-jo&t=17s
I’ll bet they don’t really like the Sex Pistols, either.
it’s okay to like some of their songs but honestly they suck and nobody should like the
It’s a framing tactic to paint the opposition as ‘for this awful thing’ when in reality the issue is the further erosion of privacy under the guise of ‘safety.’
That makes so much sense.
Anti-masturbation shaming and lawfare and the idea that you can blame all your problems on it is a mainstay of the religious right playbook.
They then hold the forever frustrated subject in a mental shame prison they can never escape but above which they can self righteously judge everyone else and feel they know the real reason why everything is messed up. A similar self sealing logic as the conspirationnists.
Jeebus, I need backup plans for Friday nights.
Page 8 & 9 of the court filing (not the article):
Bruh, make sure to hydrate.
Page 13, absolutely fascinating to me that “prays for judgement” is stated and whether that is at all common:
Page 15, looking for more details on alleged “disfigurement”:
It goes on to talk about pornography causing a shift in perspective on sex and possibly leading to addiction. Not finding anything specific on the alleged “disfigurement”.
I’m left to assume poor Q.R. will have to deal the rest of his life with the friction burns caused by jerkin’ it 7+ times on August 30, 2024.
His mom also demanded a jury trial, so Q.R. can rest easy knowing 12 strangers will hear about his friction burns and give it the serious attention due.
More likely a direct result of his mom being a fucking psycho.
This was so hilariously stated - and your comment is quite thought-provoking.
I can’t imagine how this poor teenager will think of his mother over time.
Not well, this much is certain.
Bet that kid is counting the days until he’s legally an adult and can get away from her.
Surely you cannot sue someone for future injuries where the future injuries are entirely unevidenced. There would have to be some kind of medical assessment that said that this kid is going to suffer ongoing injuries and I can’t imagine they have such an assessment.
Maybe the counter argument should be that this kid’s mom should attempt to get him on disability payments, and only if he’s able to get on that, will they accept liability. There is zero chance of that happening.
Agreed. As a lawyer friend once told me, “you can sue someone for damn near anything. It doesn’t mean you’ll win”.
I imagine the “disability and disfigurement” will get sussed out at some point and either backed up w some sort of evidence, or taked out from the rest of the complaint.
It’s not a “prayer” in the religious sense.
“Prayer” in a court filing is what the plaintiff asks the court to do to resolve the case.
Ty! TIL. I’ve probably seen it many times before, but it only jumped out at me this time given the Olathe, KS setting and strong fundie Christian vibes.
Good write up, thanks!
“Hello maam, your son clicked the prompt stating he wasn’t in Kansas. Our service is not offered in that state. Goodbye.”
For a brief shining moment, it seemed like adroit use of state-level legislation in Kansas might manage to blue-ball much of America by leveraging access to its market of 3 million to raise the bar of entry to pornography websites; most users were hesitant to provide legal identification to adult websites.
pepperdine-graphic.com/addiction-risk-thrive-in-s…
That was until the degenerate California legislature, intertwined in obscene embrace with its filthy industry, and having a market of 40 million, passed its own legislation disallowing a pornography site conducting business in its jurisdiction from having an age gate. Now the outcome was written by economic imperatives: for each pornography website, there was to be a Kansas-conformant site and a California-conformant version. Anyone purchasing a commercial subscription was directed to the Kansas-conformant site if they wished to purchase service in Kansas. The age-gate-free California-conformant site did not advertise in or accept advertising specifically targeting Kansas residents. By virtue of this and of not making sales to Kansas residents, it kept itself from being subject to Kansas jurisdiction. Naturally, everyone in Kansas not purchasing a subscription accessed the California-conformant site.
beverly goldberg from the Goldberg’s comes into my mind lol
I feel bad for her kid. Everyone is going to hate him for this.
You mean he wasn’t born on January 1st 1970?
Ah yeah, that’s what sex on the first date means
I have never heard of most of these and I’m a decent degenerate.
Never stop to discover new things.
I have only heard of one of those ans im a furry. Im a professional degenerate
Am I the only one that thinks there’s something positive to stricter control of pornography?
Even if you love porn and grew up exposed to it as a kid, you gotta admit that there are psychological effects on avid adult viewers and more on minors.
Think about what was available as a kid, too. Wait 10 min for a 3 minute to load or just search pics. Now it’s a completely different overstimulating world that transforming how people relate to sex and themselves.
Not sure why you’re getting down voted. Porn can absolutely become a behavioral addiction.
I used to work at a place where we had a lobby guard that watched porn on his phone all day (sound off). Not sitting there trying to jerk it, it was a compulsion. He would just be watching it while talking to other people, standing by the door…it was weird. He eventually got fired because he genuinely couldn’t not watch porn.
That being said, I’m a huge privacy advocate, and while there are actually ways to anonymously be on a website and verify age, that’s not how anyone is doing it. Things like signing up for an account on a site and scanning your ID are just abysmally stupid. There’s a zero percent chance that this system as is doesnt lead to data theft and possibly even extortion.
How would that work? I’m not well-researched on this particular topic, so I’m curious how that should work.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a single suggestion of a way to implement age verification that isn’t a privacy nightmare. Oftentimes they literally just want a credit card number, the assumption being that a child would never be able to get hold of such a thing.
In some of the worst cases they actually want a passport or other government ID sending to some organisation that would verify you. With all the fun potential data breaches that that would ensue.
Most of the time these rules never get off the ground because privacy advocacy groups basically sue over it and win every time.
That’s more or less what I was implying/thinking, there’s not really any good way to implement it. Canada almost ended up implementing it and possibly even going as far as to ban porn, but thankfully Poilievre ended up losing the election including losing his own seat.
Tokenization is the easy solution.
You go onto you state gov website and get a token that just says “this is an adult.” Nothing else. Token lasts 10 minutes.
Cut and paste into the site. They authenticate without saying who theu are, back to the gov site, “yo, this legit?” State says “looks like something we would do.” State keeps no records of WHO validated the token, just that it was a legit token.
Same way that routers connect to VPN services.
How does the state verify that you’re an adult and therefore should have a token?
This solution simply seems to be kicking the can down the road
Not at all, this is well established technology already in use all over the place.
When countries use digital IDs, they are able to carve out validating individual aspects of an identity. Just address, just over 18, just class of driver’s license, etc.
So the State has a website/wallet where the user pulls a token from the State, basically a fancy hashed OTP/Login code.
The website, which can’t derive your identity from the code, sends the code to the state API and can’t ask more than “is this hash legit” and the State API doesnt need to say more than “yup.”
Where can things go wrong? The State can ask to know who needs the token. Or even demand to know, and log what sites use it. The state can contract this out to a vendor that logs it all, making data theft far more risky.
It all depends on his the state builds requirements.
Key signing maybe?
You get a cert which is cryptographically signed by your government. They can prove its signed with the governments root cert, showing that its someone over 18, but not who.
That being said the key identifiers will probably still be attached to you in some government db, just not on the porn site.
Though the government could force the pornsite to hand over any logged ids. Some people would say that’s private, as they trust the government not to do stuff without a judges warrant.
As a trans woman relying on HIPPA to not be put on a list of those on HRT, lmao yeah fucking right. The christian taliban will connect the dots the first chance they get.
This is generally a pretty decent system in concept, but it has some unique flaws.
A similar system is even being developed by Cloudflare (“Privacy Pass”) to make CAPTCHAs more private by allowing you to anonymously redeem “tokens” proving you’ve solved a CAPTCHA recently, without the CAPTCHA provider having to track any data about you across sites.
They know someone who had solved a captcha recently is redeeming a token, but they don’t know who.
This type of system will always have one core problem that really can’t be fixed though, which is the sale and transfer of authenticated tokens/keys/whatever they get called in a given implementation.
Someone could simply take their signed cert, and allow anybody else to use it. If you allow the government to view whoever is using their keys, but not the porn sites, then you give the government a database of every porn user with easily timestamped logs. If you don’t give the government that ability, even one cert being shared defeats the whole system. If you add a rate limit to try and solve the previous problem, you can end up blocking access if a site, browser, or extension, is just slightly misconfigured in how it handles requesting the cert, or could break someone’s ability to use their cert the moment it gets leaked.
And even if someone isn’t voluntarily offering up their cert, it will simply get sold. I’ve investigated sites selling IDs and SSNs for less than a dollar a piece before, and I doubt something even less consequential like an ID just for accessing online adult content would even sell for that much.
I’ve seen other methods before, such as “anonymous” scans of your face where processing is done locally to prove you’re an adult, then the result of the cryptographic challenge is sent back proving you’re over 18, but that would fail anyone who looks younger but is still an adult, can be bypassed by the aforementioned sale of personal data to people wanting to verify, and is often easily fooled by videos and photos of people on YouTube, for example.
Who under the age of 18 will have money to buy these, and who would be willing to sell them for the pittance teenagers would be willing to spend?
Especially if these get rotated out regularly via a system wide program.
Anyone with at least $0.25-$1, and access to any method of digital payments. (Gift Cards for most retailers, PayPal, Cash App, Zelle, prepaid or non-prepaid debit cards, any cryptocurrency, etc)
Primarily bad actors that obtain the credentials any number of ways, then either directly sell them, or sell them indirectly through third-party storefronts that buy from the bad actors in bulk. Believe me, I’ve watched hundreds of kids in Discord servers publicly sharing and using sites on the clearweb where they cashapp in a dollar then buy a stolen set of bank credentials and try withdrawing money back to their Cash App account.
I’ve monitored so many of these sites, and seen how easy it is for anybody, even teens with limited financial payment options, to buy stolen credentials with infinitely more importance and personal security measures taken to keep them safe than something specifically for accessing an NSFW site.
Some of these site owners operate for months before eventually shutting down and re-opening separate storefronts for anonymity, and I know of one who was selling stolen SSNs, IDs, Gift Cards, and assorted accounts, and made, by my estimates, at least a million dollars in revenue every month off items that were almost all within the price range of any child or teenager.
Rotation can help, but doesn’t cut off these services from operating. They just sell stuff in smaller, more quickly refilled batches instead of buying large batches and reselling them over longer time periods. It can make prices slightly higher, but in the end it doesn’t prevent kids from accessing this content.
But what it does end up doing is creating perverse incentives.
It drives people to even less regulated, more harmful porn sites. It leads to the further stealing of credentials and personal information. It creates databases and online footprints that can be used to blackmail people, and it normalizes giving sensitive personal information to random websites online.
The last thing you want when you’re trying to prevent people from getting scammed is to monetarily encourage scamming people out of their credentials and biometric data, while simultaneously making it easier for people to unknowingly hand over credentials and biometrics by normalizing the process.
This is something practically every digital rights organization argues against, and for good reason. It’s a generally unsafe system that creates bad incentives and drives people to even more unsafe options.
The best mechanisms by far to prevent kids from being exposed to harmful material, or at the very least prevent them from experiencing much harm from such material is often proper parental controls and general internet monitoring by those parents, good sex education, and parents actually talking with their kids instead of fostering the us vs them mentality that drives many kids to rebel against these restrictions, even when they are to benefit the kid.
That’s why news like this is always so upsetting to me. It’s a mom who is understandably upset, but instead of taking accountability for leaving a unsecured laptop with access to the internet easily accessible to her kid while not monitoring it at all, she simply puts the blame on the platforms her child decided to access, even though we know she could have done many things herself to prevent this from happening without risking anybody’s privacy or safety, unlike what age-gating regulations do in practice.
Oh no I wholeheartedly agree age verification isn’t the wrong answer, I was just playing devils advocate on the technological side.
Parents should be parents, it governments shouldn’t be getting I. the way of you being just another ghost in the machine.
I’d advocate for us to update our ID systems to be able to verify age without the risk of data theft or extortion, but that’s not really relevant to this conversation, just kinda talking to the void
Sounds like a better state-backed initiative would be to make mental health services available to this dude and to anyone else dealing with addiction issues. Especially since I assume this door guard was older than 18 and age verification, no matter how private, would have done nothing to stop his access to porn.
Also true, no doubt there.
I totally agree. Everybody is misinterpreting what I’m saying into being an advocate for the ways they’re implementing the restrictions. They need a punching bag. I get it. I’ll be it.
But some people here don’t want to admit porn addiction exists. That’s a sign that it is a problem.
The problem isn’t just addiction though. The access to and normalization of violent porn to adults and especially children is damaging to society. Maybe people don’t care because it mostly effects women negatively.
I was sex-negative until recent years due to Catholic conditioning mixing with unlabeled asexuality. Seeing the rising movements against porngraphy has driven me to veer strongly sex-positive, especially after the 2024 USAmerican election.
An “anti-pornography” movement is incredibly dangerous because it can leverage that label to steamroll through anything “for the children” and ward off all but the strongest and loudest criticism. It’s a lot like “Mothers Against Drunk Driving”. Every Politician fears being the lone dissenter on a “for the children” bill; No judge wants to seen as soft on “children accessing porn”.
Porn may be “transforming how people relate to sex and themselves”. The anti-porn movement is working to rip away digital privacy, trying to destroy LGBTQIA+ lives, and will squash free artistic expression. Think of any work of art that ever includes nudity, or ever depicts sex - through text, imagery or video. Now imagine defending its “artistic value” to an armed soldier who stormed in your house, or being badgered by a prosecutor in front of a judge and panel of 12.
“Anti-porn” or “Anti-kids accessing porn” legislation are the legislative equivalent of setting off a firecracker in your mouth to stop a toothache. I remain baffled every time I see support for this from “progressive” online spaces and voices, especially considering that we are living under the Republican regime, Right Now.
It’s just people not using their brains, everything is just viewed at its surface level with no deeper analysis ever conducted. They are the sort of idiots that think that Starship Troopers is profascism.
People that like Fight Club, American Psycho, and Starship Troopers… k, but like, do you get it or are you a nut job?
I understand your point of view. These conservative law-makers are hiding their true intentions, but you’re only allowing yourself to think about porn restriction in the lens of current day right-wing politicians. The intent to put more restrictions on porn is not a one way street.
Your analogy to banning artistic freedom is like saying putting restrictions on alcohol is a slippery slope that’s going to eventually have you explaining to a soldier why you have kombucha.
There are so many variations of porn. Some porn is dangerous to be consumed by children and even adults, especially when consumed compulsively through addiction. Maybe not dangerous to straight cis men, but dangerous to almost the entire half of society. I believe that is why it’s so hard to put any restrictions on porn. Straight cis men are clutching onto their undiagnosed porn addictions as hard as they can and using right wing laws to make hasty generalizations about porn restriction leading to the Islamic Revolution.
Also, congrats. Happy safe and healthy jerking.
Not enough to warrant uploads of your fucking license.
Also I really think its kind of goofy so many people are upset about porn when kids are exposed to violence in the media all the time.
Not that I think violent video games are the devil, my first memory of a game was GTA III lol, but I think seeing violence is probably worse than seeing sex.
At least if you take the American Puritan mindset out of it.
Either we chill the fuck out, or the next logical step is every rated ‘M’ game purchase or rated ‘R’ movie will require a license in a digital copy of your drivers license. Who knows, maybe next it’ll be req’d for age-restricted social media content.
If you don’t want your kids watching porn don’t give them unfettered internet access.
If your a first worlder below the age of 45, and don’t know how to do that, that’s probably on you for not being able to intuitively use UX after decade of using computers in school and the workforce. Yes I expect modern humans who’ve been exposed to computing their entire life to use basic smartphone features, no hitting the pretty icons in the right order is not hard
If that you find that to be challenging god help you in raising an entire human child.
Yes, I mean, one is (ideally) about two (or more) people enjoying time they have together in an intimate way, the other is about hurting one another maliciously. I certainly prefer one of these things to be more prominent than the other
There is a discussion to be had about stuff like objectification and porn that doesn’t depict people like, consenting, and such, but at least in an ideal I’d much rather have media that focuses on pleasure and love than hate and suffering
Um, there is plenty of violence in porn…
That’s mostly what I was referring to in my latter paragraph, yes
But the important takeaway is that it’s not the core of what pornography is
Violence isn’t the only problem though. The way women are treated is not realistic or healthy in much of porn. It creates unhealthy expectations. Kudos if you’re watching exclusively healthy sexual relationships in porn.
I’m just saying there’s something good in restriction, not the way in which it’s being implemented. I think games like GTA are bad too. There’s also plenty of violence in porn. Towards the women so maybe you don’t perceive that unless it was towards men.
Parental controls are only effective if all parents control. Should alcohol and guns have no restrictions and be up to parents to control? Exactly.
No you don’t. That is right wing propaganda completely unfounded by science. That porn addiction nonsense so many Americans babble about is a product of that propaganda, and doesn’t actually exist.
Wow. You don’t think porn addiction exists? Said like a true porn addict.
If every person who disagrees with you counts as further evidence that you’re right, then you’re thinking in an unfalsifiable manner, which is the basis for many a flawed conclusion. It doesn’t necessarily make you wrong, but you should really make sure to find justifications for your beliefs that are based on falsifiable reasoning instead. That’s the best way to know if what you’re believing is right or wrong, because you can try to falsify your beliefs in the way that you know them to be falsifiable, and if they still couldn’t be falsified, then you can say “Well, I tried to disprove this, and it still passed that test!”
So, let me ask you this, what would, hypothetically, suffice to prove or at least suggest evidence that porn addiction does not exist? If your answer is “nothing”, then you’re in unfalsifiable territory.
It goes both ways. People are gonna find whatever study supports whatever they want to believe and just cling to that. Denying porn and, even sex addiction for that matter, doesn’t exist is denying the basis of addiction and the human brain. Dopamine.
So then can anything that produces dopamine be addictive? Can I get addicted to hugging my girlfriend, or addicted to reading books, or jogging? Or is there some threshold? Does the intensity per time matter, or just the intensity, or just the time? What about the frequency of exposure? Does any amount of dopamine release make me slightly more addicted to whatever it is, or is there some threshold that needs to be exceeded? Do dopamine-based addictions produce physical withdrawal symptoms, always, never, sometimes? Depending on what? And are physical withdrawal symptoms necessary to constitute addiction or are there different tiers of addiction?
You see what I’m getting at. There’s sooo many questions that need to be answered before just saying “this produces lots of dopamine therefore it’s addictive and bad and should be limited”. While I appreciate and empathize with your sentiment about people cherry-picking the studies they like (sounding like an LLM here lol), it’s not as if science doesn’t know how to deal with that problem, and it certainly isn’t a reason to stop caring about or citing studies at all, or say “well you’ve got your studies and I’ve got mine”. Just because both sides have studies that give evidence in their favor doesn’t mean both sides are equally valid or that it’s impossible to reach an informed conclusion one way or the other.
My next biggest question (and what I’m trying to drive at with the semi-rhetorical slew of questions I opened with) would be what makes something an addiction or not? Am I addicted to staying alive, because I’ll do anything to stay alive as long as possible? That seems silly to call an addiction, since it doesn’t do any harm. And how do we delineate between, say, someone who is addicted to playing with Rubik’s Cubes vs. someone who just really likes Rubik’s Cubes and has poor self-control? Or what about someone with some other mental quirk, like someone who plays with Rubik’s Cubes a lot due to OCD, or maybe an autistic person who plays a lot with Rubik’s Cubes out of a special interest? Does the existence of such people mean that “Rubik’s Cube Addiction” is a real concern that can happen to anyone who plays with Rubik’s Cubes too much? Or perhaps Rubik’s cubes are not addictive at all, and it is separate traits driving people to engage with them in a way that appears addictive to others.
I know I’ve written a long post and asked lots of questions. It’s not my intention to “gish gallop” you, just to convey my variety of questions. The Rubik’s example is the one thing I’m most curious to hear your thoughts on. (There I go sounding like an LLM again)
Come on man. You can look up what addiction means. This is proving why there need to be stronger restrictions. If you can’t look up a definition parents can’t work parental controls.
Here’s part of what makes something addiction:
Continued involvement despite physical, psychological, social, or legal problems.
Porn could easily fall into this not only rolled into sex addiction but think about somebody who is jerking it all the time and this has an affect on their relationship, or they’re watching violent porn and this affects how they treat women, or they see the infantilization or submission of women in porn and think women should be like children or that they’re entitled to women’s bodies.
I get it. Yall love porn, but we also need to be responsible and not be in denial.
The Rubik’s cube example is an easy question for neurotypical people when you take the above criteria into account. It can be addiction of solving this Rubik’s cube is affecting their life in a negative way. Have you ever seen My Strange Addiction? Lots of different addictions other than drugs and alcohol.
The inclusions of mental conditions is a whole different story. Autistic or OCD compulsions would generally not be addiction because it’s an anxious thing instead of tied to dopamine reward. It is an interesting intersection, but not what we base laws that control society on.
“My Strange Addiction” is a “reality” TV show and absolutely not a source to take any psychology perspective from. I wouldn’t even trust it’s definition of “addiction”. The only episode I remember was one of a woman “addicted” to consuming her cremated partner’s ashes, which sounds like a grief/trauma coping mechanism, and is all around sad.
You list these strawman examples. Fine. Those are made up scenarios. There has been violence, sexism, racism, in the earliest records of civilization, and porn has only existed for the last century… Maybe. You know where I first got exposed to the idea “women should be like children” or “[men]'re entitled to women’s bodies”? The Catholic Church.
You’re describing porn the way the DARE campaign described drugs. At least the DARE campaign was talking about a physical chemical compound.
Porn addiction is real. If you can’t accept that then therein lies the problem.
Citation needed when we’re talking about implementing laws and opening up lawsuits suing for $75k+. Multiple robust peer-reviewed citations needed. Preferably not funded by a Catholic church group.
Also it’s a leap to say top-down privacy invading laws are the way the state or federal government should handle it instead of the concerned parent monitoring computer usage. There’s so many free and subscription based parental control tools out there. Comprehensive sex education would be a potential alternate way for the state to support parents and teens to educate them on porn consumption and safe internet usage.
FYI, NCOSE, the group joining (likely funding) the lawsuit, is against comprehensive sex education.
You’re talking about a few separate things here.
There’s absolutely something to be said for trying to ensure that people don’t have access to porn as kids, but that doesn’t come from what these legal battles inevitably want to impose, which is ID check requirements that create a massive treasure trove of data for attackers to target to steal IDs, blackmail individuals, and violate people’s privacy, while adding additional costs for porn sites that will inevitably lead to predatory monetization, such as more predatory ads.
The problem is that parents are offloading their own responsibility and education off themselves and schools, and instead placing an unworkable burden onto the sites that host and distribute pornographic content.
We know that when you provide proper sex education, talk to kids about how to safely consume adult content without risking their health, safety, and while setting realistic expectations, you tend to get much better outcomes.
If there’s one thing I think most people are very aware of, it’s that the more you try and hide something from kids, the more they tend to try and resist that, and find it anyways, except without any proper education or safeguards.
It’s why abstinence only education tends to lead to worse outcomes than sex education, even though on the surface, you’re “exposing” kids to sexually related materials.
This doesn’t mean we should deliberately expose kids to porn out of nowhere, remove all restrictions or age checks, etc, but it does mean that we can, for example:
Kids won’t simply stop viewing porn if you implement age gates. Kids are smart, they find their way around restrictions all the time. If we can’t reasonably stop them without producing a whole host of other extremely negative consequences, then the best thing we can do is educate them on how to not severely risk their own health.
It’s not perfect, but it’s better than creating massive pools of private data, perverse financial incentives, and pushing people to more fringe sites that do even less to comply with the law.
I understand and agree with what you’re saying. I think people should need licenses to have kids, but that’s a different story.
The conflict that this often boils down to is that the digital world does not emulate the real world. If you want to buy porn in the real world, you need ID, but online anything goes. I love my online anonymity just as much as everybody else, but we’ll eventually need to find some hybrid approach.
We already scan our faces on our phones all the time, or scan our finger on our computer. How about when you want to access a porn site you have to type in a password or do some biometric credential?
I think 50% or more of the resistance of restricting porn is really just that people really love porn and are ashamed of what they view. There’s a whole other social psychology that needs to change in regards to how we view sex and I agree with more education.
The problem is that because the internet is fundamentally different from the real world, it has its own challenges that make some of the things we do in the real world unfeasible in the digital world. showing an ID to a clerk at a store doesn’t transmit your sensitive information over the internet to/through an unknown list of companies, who may or may not store it for an undetermined amount of time, but doing so on the internet essentially has to do so.
While I do think we should try and prevent kids from viewing porn at young ages, a lot of the mechanisms proposed to do so are either not possible, cause many other harms by their existence that could outweigh their benefits, or are trivially bypassed.
Those systems are fundamentally different, even though the interaction is the same, so implementing them in places like porn sites carries entirely different implications.
For example, (and I’m oversimplifying a bit here for time’s sake) a biometric scan on your phone is just comparing the scan it takes each time with the hash (a processed version) of your original biometric scan during setup. If they match, the phone unlocks.
This verification process does nothing to verify if you’re a given age, just that your face/fingerprint is the same as during setup. It also never has to transmit or store your biometrics to another company. It’s always on-device.
Age verification online for something like porn is much more complex. When you’re verifying a user, you have to verify:
This all carries immense challenges. It’s fundamentally incompatible with user privacy. Any step in this process could involve processing data about someone that could allow for:
This also doesn’t include the fact that most of these can simply be bypassed by anyone willing to put in even a little effort. If you can buy an ID or SSN online for less than a dollar, you’ll definitely be able to buy an age verification scan video, or a photo of an ID.
Plus, for those unwilling to directly bypass measures on the major sites, then if only the sites that actually fear government enforcement implement these measures, then people will simply go to the less regulated sites.
In fact, this is a well documented trend, that whenever censorship of any media happens, porn or otherwise, viewership simply moves to noncompliant services. And of course, these services can be hosting much worse content than the larger, relatively regulatory-compliant businesses, such as CSAM, gore, nonconsensual recordings, etc.
Do it like this: you have to go to a notary and show your ID and they don’t scan it or anything, but they then authorize you to create an account with biometric credentials. Now only you can use that account to watch porn online. Hybrid approach.
Authorize you how?
That would involve someone having the ability to see which accounts where made, when, and how they were authorized, not to mention likely being able to track when they’re used in the future.
What does this mean? Do you mean you verify your biometric data with the notary to prove it’s you? Your ID should be enough. Do you mean where your biometric data is your password? This doesn’t prove it’s you. If processing is on-device like how phone lock screens work, then a simple piece of software could just extract the raw credentials and allow people to use/sell/transfer those, bypassing the biometrics. If it requires sending your biometric data to the company to log in like a traditional password flow, then all my previous issues with biometric verification online become present.
There’s still a key difference between this hybrid approach and, like I mentioned previously, buying alcohol by showing your ID to a clerk at a counter, and it’s that the interaction ends there. If you show ID, buy alcohol, then leave, the store doesn’t do anything after that. There’s no system monitoring when or how much you’re drinking, or if you’ve offered some of that drink to someone underage, for example.
But with something like what you’re proposing, the unfortunate reality is that it has to have some kind of monitoring for it to functionally work, otherwise it becomes trivially bypassed, and thus the interaction can’t end when the person leaves.
Not to mention the fact that not all platforms people find porn on are actually dedicated porn sites. Many people are first exposed via social media, just like how they’re exposed to much of their other information and general knowledge nowadays. If we want to age gate social media porn consumption as well, we then need to age verify everyone regardless of if they intend to view porn or not, because we can’t ensure it won’t end up on their feed.
There’s a reason why I’m so strongly against these verification methods, and it’s because they always cause a whole host of privacy and security issues, and don’t even create a strong enough system to prevent unauthorized porn viewing by minors in the first place.
You show your ID and a notary enters their credentials to allow you to create an account with your fingerprint or FaceID.
Your ID doesn’t get saved. Your biometrics are only saved in the way that your iPhone saves them for a password.
Work with me. What’s a solution that would be acceptable for you? Get creative.
The problem then lies in how whoever (likely the government) can ensure that verified accounts are indeed verified by real people.
If any notary can create these accounts by just claiming they saw a proper ID/biometrics, then even one malicious notary could make as many “verified” accounts as they want. If they’re then investigated, that would mean there’d be monitoring in place to see who they met with, which would defeat the privacy preservation method of only having them look at it.
This also doesn’t solve the problem of people reselling stolen accounts, going to multiple notaries and getting each one to individually attest and make multiple accounts to give out or sell, etc.
If your biometrics are stored, then there’s one of two places they could be stored and processed:
This can just be bypassed by the user once they log in with their biometrics, since the credentials are then decrypted and they can just export them raw, or just have them stolen by anyone who accesses their device or installs malware, etc.
This doesn’t solve the sale, transfer, or multiple creations of accounts.
The scanner that originally creates the hash for your fingerprint must be trusted to not transmit any other data about your fingerprint itself, and could be bypassed by modifying network requests to send fake hashes to the government server during account creation, thus allowing for infinite “verified” accounts to be created and sold.
This also doesn’t prevent the stealing or transfer of accounts, since you would essentially just be using your hash as a password instead of a different string of text, and then they’d just steal your hash, not a typical password. This also would mean the government would get a log of every time someone used their account, and you could be instantly re-identified the moment you go to the airport and scan your fingerprint at a TSA checkpoint, for example, permanently tying your real identity back to any account you verify with your biometrics in the future.
The fundamental problem with these systems is that if you have to verify your identity, you must identify yourself somehow. If that requires sending your personal data to someone, it risks your privacy and security going forward. If that doesn’t require sending your personal data, then the system is easily bypassed, and its existence can’t be justified.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll continue advocating for it going forward:
We already know these things do the most we can reasonably do to prevent underage viewing of adult content. We don’t need age verification laws, because they either harm privacy or don’t even work, when much simpler, common sense solutions already solve the problem just fine.
I’m convinced this was written by GPT. We disagree on how good or bad porn is for society and the youth, so the rest doesn’t even matter.
I’m a human being. I know my writing style can often come off weird to some people, but I can assure you I don’t outsource my thinking to a word prediction program to make my points for me.
I haven’t seen any evidence that light or moderate consumption of porn by legal adults produces significant negative consequences for them or society at large, so long as the porn doesn’t involve non-consenting parties, underage individuals, etc. Thus, I don’t think it’s reasonable to heavily monitor and restrict access to every single individual in our society.
As for kids, research is obviously lacking since it’s somewhat of a touchy subject for researchers to study, but since we know sex ed, conversations between kids & parents, and even the most basic of parental controls and monitoring can prevent the vast majority of the negative effects, and even the whole of the initial consumption while underage, then that’s what I advocate for.
Until I see evidence to the contrary, that demonstrates larger harms from general consumption trends than the surveillance of the online media consumption of every single citizen, on top of the possible risks to online censorship, while other methods we already know work well still can’t reduce that risk below the possible harms of a monitoring/access control system, then I’m not going to support such a system.
If you’re a man I would propose the notion that you only have the perspective of the part of society that is predominantly watching porn and who is predominantly sexual abusers. Your perspective is limited and it’s evident by arguments you make. For example, limiting the support for your opinions to light or moderate porn viewing and that the porn doesn’t include non-consenting individuals or underage, etc. you’re completely ignoring the problem areas the maintain your point of view. Try thinking outside your bubble just as an exercise. Don’t mean this in an offensive way. I can understand your perspective and as such the narrow-sightedness of it.
Imagine gooning so hard that your mom makes you famous.
Dude gunna have to be homeschooled until graduation.
Better not break his arms.
Ew
Did homie ever make money off that? Of just terminated his reddit account?
Sex ed is gonna be real spicy.
"Mom, why did you break my arms?’
She just didn’t want him to jerk off to her on chaturbate. She performs there regularly as “Giantmagacnt”
I want to believe this is satire but fuck I will not be fact checking.
Narrator: They did in fact go and fact check.
I mean the kid’s penis must have shriveled up to nothing by now, making the entire case moot.
“Your honor, I move to dismiss on the grounds that the plaintiff’s penis is reduced to a blackened nub.”
“Sustained!”
His first name starts with a Q?! That poor kid, imagine getting your porn preference blasted into the news by your mom and then you also have a Q in your name. Mom should be sued for child abuse
I don’t know why they bother censoring it we all know he’s called Quentin.
Could be Quasimodo.
would explain the “disfigurement” claims
Or quilliam.
For some reason “Quinton” comes to mind. No idea if that’s actually a name or something my brain came up.
It’s an actual name, not common these days tho.
Quesadilla 🤌
Qantas
In the old world maybe. Today’s tragedeigh naming means it could be anything. Qristofer. Enjoy.
if i ever change my name i am stealing this
Tragedaigh Qristofer Shaughn Beighns
Please. It’s beautiful!
I am aware of at least one poor soul named Questopher
Could be Quincy.
Quandale Dingle
Quiglet Cumberfungle.
Poor bastard.
I hope those aren’t his real initials because it seems like there’s more than enough information to identify him between the article and complaint filing. Poor kid doesn’t deserve to be dragged into this.
those are not his initials; he was named after the code.
Mum wanted to make it everyone else’s problem that she can’t have a frank discussion about sex with her own son so probably been making poor judgements all the way through
I wouldn’t mind being called Quijote.
Yeah, I can imagine having a mother like that would make it so that you can’t enjoy life, damn.
It’s always best to regulate the goldberg’s online businesses.
Wouldn’t he have to put in a fake birth date if it asked him to verify his age?
conservatives are pushing for full ID submission.
1st world problems
Those closeted gays wanting to see us send pics…
i had left my VPN on in a location in the US and was shocked that i had to enter in ID to visit a sire.
i dont even have to give my ID to government websites who the hell is doung that
I thought US people didn’t have any ID.
not government ID. but they use other documents for identification, like driver’s licenses… usually whatever makes it easier to discriminate against minorities for the issue at hand.
Oh, like skin colour.
I don’t understand how these kids get caught. They gotta be really slow or something.
I was caught 0 times as a teenager. My mom never found my porn.
My brother was caught a few times. My cousin was caught in the damn car on a family vacation with OTHER PEOPLE IN THE CAR just yanking his noodle under a blanket.
I was so cautious as a kid. I guess because I was caught and thoroughly shamed when I was about 4 years old. Maybe that’s why I never got caught when I was old enough for it to matter. That shame gave me a lifelong lesson.
I had a motion detecting toy dinosaur at the bottom of the stairs. When someone approached the stairs it would go, “raaaaaawr, raaaaaawr” and I’d be sitting at the foot of the bed reading a book by the time someone got upstairs.
If they suspected anything, didn’t matter. I was reading.
When I got high speed internet (as it was called in those days) I threw out the tapes and magazines. I had a separate hard drive I’d plug into my computer juuuuuust in case, and since I was always messing with and tearing into my computer, my mom never found anything. That drive had Linux, my mom was scared of Linux.
Now that I think about it, holy shit they fucked me up haha.
When they caught me as a little guy my mom said, “oh shamy, shamy.” And my dad said, “you keep messing with that thing and it’ll fall off and you’ll turn into a girl.” They spent the whole day giving me that, “oh you shameful creature” look.
Haha, man. Wow.
Yeah, maybe my people just messed me up.
You had enough motivation and technical knowledge, that’s why. Most people don’t even bother having separate storage with dual booting.
“you keep messing with that thing and it’ll fall off and you’ll turn into a girl”
On one hand, fucking horrible thing to say on a child
On the other… probably would not have the effect they would intend on a certin chunk of the population lmao
“So anyway, that was the beginning of my transition journey and also how I became an absolute master of giving HJs.”
It’s too bad that we can’t have positive reinforcement for (beginning the introduction to) most sex acts. I like giving head because I love seeing my partner’s eyes roll backwards. It seems like there’s so much taboo that gets us excited and eager to try something, when we should all just be trialing to see what everyone likes.
Breaking a person is the most fun part of doin sex stuff. When my partner starts speaking in tongues, I feel so accomplished!
Did you place the toy downstairs before wanking or was it always there?
It was always there. ;)
oh she knew. we all know.
Knowing is one thing, being caught cock in hand is another. :p
A lot of people don’t feel shame…
I would wager that a lot more do.
My mother got drunk one night and sat me on her bed and described in detail when she got raped as a teenager, and the resulting abortion and the details of how that went. I was eleven.
Of course, being a male I can’t go around talking about the lasting effects of many such incidents that happened to me, and I’m not really expected to even connect those things to any feelings about sexual shame. So instead what it does, and what it does to many men who had any kind of sexual trauma, is we just block out the incidents and internalize the feelings and associations inward and it just wrecks our self-esteem, our standards for ourselves and our perceptions of attractiveness in ourselves.
A lot of guys process this in different ways, and trauma like this can take many forms. But it’s often expressed as later over-compensation and bravado and an image of being “in control” sexually and performative masculinity and hyper-objectifying notions of sexuality, or for more people I suspect, just an internal, festering self-esteem that doesn’t want them to be happy or feel good about themselves. For every loud, angry incel, I suspect there are thousands of men who have the same background or traumas and they just sit quietly on it forever and it robs them of joy.
That’s some dangerous assumptions you’re making here… Just because there’s a vocal minority that seems to fit the painting you’ve pictured doesn’t mean that it’s valid. It could easily be argued the complete opposite that those who had shame about the incident would hold onto it, internalize it… and never talk about it again. It can easily go both ways here.
But my statement was more of an answer to the implicit question of “why did I get the lifelong lesson when the others around me clearly didn’t?”… That answer could be because a lot of people just don’t feel shame. Doesn’t have to be “they gotta be really slow or something”. They didn’t get the lesson… they felt no shame.
Shame should be abolished after all. It is irrational. If there is a good reason for/against something, we should use that reason instead, and create a culture of habits around it.
Shame is an emotion. You can’t abolish an emotion. And shame is an emotion that a lot of people use to regulate themselves. This is a silly statement on it’s face. All emotions are irrational. Are you advocating for banning emotions?
There is a good reason that old men shouldn’t touch young women. Shame is one emotion that likely regulates many of those men from never doing it. Such that they would feel shame should they do such an action.
If you can’t agree on that, then I’m failing to understand your point or we simply agree to disagree.
In my experience, shame is not a natural emotion at all.
Rather, i’ve observed shame exclusively stems from somebody saying “shame on you, you shouldn’t do that”. Thus i infer that shame is a social construct, similar to gender.
Then agree to disagree. I can reflect on a number of points in my life where I’ve decided that I did the wrong thing. I hold shame for those actions and use that to hold myself to better standards now. Guilt and regret is part of shame.
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shame
Even in your context of bringing shame to people, or attempting to impart guilt and disgrace… That’s an important metric to build the exact culture of habits that you’re advocating for. Most people don’t care if they litter in the park. It’s only after you guilt them into it that they’ll do it.
But no point in going any further into this conversation. It’s clear your mind is made. Have a good weekend.
Edit: clarification.
Ah, i see now that i was simply defining the word “shame” a bit differently, as i’ve observed it used in everyday life:
I’ve held shame to mean “a painful emotion caused by group-pressure that indicates guilt, shortcoming, or impropriety”.
What you’ve been describing as “shame”, i’ve called it insight in practice. Insight is a good thing because it bring with itself reflection and thought, which i also like to call meditation and contemplation. That’s what society needs.
What society does not need is group-pressure, because it leads to people behaving right, but for the wrong reasons. Such behavior is short-lived and tends to bite you in the ass when you’re most vulnerable. Compare that to college kids who have always been told “no alcohol”, and then at college the first thing they do is to enjoy the absence of their parents and drink so much alcohol they go into a coma and to the hospital. Had they been taught the implications that alcohol has on your near-term health and consciousness instead, they might have been wise enough to not drink too much out of themselves. :)
Sorry, but we’re still going to agree to disagree. Unfortunately, we can’t just make up definitions and have a discussion while in complete disagreement on the definition of the word we’re discussing.
Shame is WHY someone would be driven to pursue insight and self-reflection. Insight in of itself isn’t something that people just attain with no other factors.
Okay? What does this have to do with shame or the current conversation? I would argue that most kids hit the hard wall of realization the morning after and have some shame about the events of the night prior… Many kids realize their shame and gain insight through self-reflection. Some wont learn anything at all… Partially because some people simply have no shame, or simply have no will to self-reflect and grow… I would argue that your own example proves my point and shows that shame is an important part of growth. Others will learn “properly” about the health risks and still not care and conduct themselves in a shameful way regardless.
Shame requires some amount of morals, integrity, and honor. Otherwise you’d fail to feel any semblance of the guilt or impropriety of your own actions. Stating that someone should be ashamed is akin to saying “you’re acting without integrity/morals if you conduct yourself this way”. If telling people that they’re doing the wrong thing and should feel bad about it is now “banned” then you’re just going to have people doing whatever they want with no social feedback at all. You can’t develop the culture of habits that you’re looking for unless society can police social interactions in some form.
You seem to be under some belief that with sufficient education people will just be “good” and do the “right thing” and we don’t require any other pressure from any other social format to maintain the norm… That’s wishful thinking IMO.
A 30 year old friend of mine didn’t know about incognito mode. A certain subreddit popped up, on his projector screen, as a recommendation when we were searching for a sports stream to watch. I don’t think anyone else noticed or would really know what the sub was, but I later casually mentioned this really cool browser feature to use in case you need to search something weird.
I learned one shouldn’t assume that everyone is familiar with all the digital tricks to hide what they’d prefer others not see.
I’m pretty sure we’re now in a situation where most of our society’s contention is driven by childhood-induced shame over sexuality in some form or another.
And there’s not shit we can do about it because every time someone tries to make a campaign to encourage better sex-education, or even scarier, sex positivity among children, those people or groups get attacked for being pedos and predators.
This is going to be a social dividing line that gets sharper as time goes. There will be people who have a shred of intellectual capacity and haven’t been hollowed out be capitalism, who raise their kids to be free from shame and shackles of toxic social norms and let them just live and discover on their own what sexuality means to them.
And the orcs, who want literal dark-ages levels of shame, hate and fear and of course power-imbalances as deeply rooted foundations to anything and everything related to sex, and they will only want children associated with sex when it involves controlling them or worse.
As a parent, I didn’t want to mess my kids up and make them feel shame about natural things. I don’t know what the right way is, but I have tried to avoid that.
I have enough kids that I know some don’t do it early, some do.
My approach has been, “hey, that’s a private thing and no one here wants to be a part of it. Go to your room and shut your door.”
I have no idea if that’s right, and because of my own issues it doesn’t feel right, but that’s been my approach. I try to think about it logically and reasonably despite having to fight the feelings. My instinct was to say, “HEY! CUT IT OUT, THAT’S NASTY!!” All that did for me was give me an association with “nasty” and those feelings and all I had was my mind, and oh boy I wish I could erase the memory of the things I thought about as a kid.
My daughter is 16, and she’s overly open with me to a level that makes me uncomfortable because she isn’t ashamed of herself.
I also know that she will be healthy when she’s active because she feels comfortable talking to me.
She broke up with a girlfriend for pressuring her, and she told her boyfriend that she understands why he wants to do that and why he thinks about it, but she isn’t ready and if he can’t handle that he can go find a girlfriend who is on his level about it.
With my parents, you did not discuss such things. It was totally forbidden. As a result I had unprotected sex with multiple partners by the time I was 18 and I started when I was 13, started fooling around at about 9. I had some real weirdo adults in my life and I never talked to my parents about it because the thought of them knowing something so shameful about me was too heavy.
I had my first child at 16 years old. I do not believe that would have happened if I had access to education and I could have talked to my parents without feeling shame.
It feels like I’m going against my very nature when my daughter talks to me about things, but I grit my teeth and bare it, and she’s in a much safer and healthier place than I was at her age. She laughs and me because I blush and can barely look at her when she brings it up.
Maybe I’m doing one thing right in a sea of things I’m definitely getting wrong haha.
I believe we should feel shame about some things and that’s why we have to contend with it in the first place. We shouldn’t be ashamed of natural things though.
We’re here because of a long line of creatures and people banging. I don’t know why we freak out about it so bad.
Let me tell you one thing: You’re doing alright.
Having your kids feel safe enough to be open like that and yourself sticking to listening and being there is probably the best anyone can hope for.
I had an Irish Catholic nun, with the headdress and nun robes on and everything, tell my class we’d go blind and grow hair on our hands. She was making scarry eyes and jazz hands while she said it. It was a sex ed course and her #1 message to all of us jr high boys was wearing deodorant and scrub your ass in the shower. In retrospect, I think she said that in such a cartoonish manner because she knew it was ridiculous, and really she just didn’t want to gag from the stench after phys ed.
That same nun told me her favorite band was "those good Irish boys with the rap music, I just wish they’d pick a more respectful name than ‘beasty boys’ "
We were all sneaking looks at each other’s hands for at least a month after that though.
Modern operating systems are different than Windows 98. You think that you’re sneeky and that nobody will find your porn folder and then your mom gets a “Popular files in your user group” mailing from “OneDrive Engagement” or a “Your browsing year wrap-up” by Microsoft Edge or a retargetting ad on the whole network because you looked at the Riley Reid fleshlight. Modern surveillance capitalism is really hard to escape.
Damn, man. That really sucks.
That’s really depressing.
I always figured we’d go down this road, and in a bout of psychosis when I was younger I even lost my head over it and we really are there now.
Imagine if the Year of the Linux desktop arrives not for any other reason but because the teens want to look at booba/peen online with privacy
Hahahaha, maybe they were onto something (this is a joke) – I consumed way too much porn at way too young an age and I did turn into a girl! Dick never fell off though sadly
:p Some folks want that dick anyway haha, so don’t worry about it.
teens aren’t aware or private browsing?
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Moms suck!
Only if you pay them
If they like you, sometimes they do it for free
If she only sucked, we could have avoided this
That teen needs to drop the mom in an old-age home
The plantiff is unnamed. This is a manufactured case to test getting the supreme court to pass a blanket ban on all porn.
They are from my city, if they are a real person, I’ll make it known.
Make sure it’s the horny old-age home, GMILF Manor
Kids need an outlet or they look for the real thing, not in a good way. Let them have their sites. Like anything in moderation though or only net porn will get you off later in life.
Is this an actual law suit by an actual person or from a Jane doe? If this is an actual person, this mom needs to start parenting their kid instead of making everyone else responsible for her kid.
I replied elsewhere, but this is a manufactured case. The goal is to get it in front of the supreme court and get a blanket ban on all porn. This is one of the top objectives of project 2025
And people actually voted for this. Talk about a huge self-own. One of many, like that farmer complaining about having to milk the cows now because the immigrant laborers are gone.
If there is a ban, the amount of complaining from men who voted for Trump and now can’t watch it is going to be off the charts.
In such a case, does the plaintiff have to actually have a kid though? Like if it’s an open secret that the case is manufactured, do you not get in to any kind of trouble if for example you made up the hypothetical damaged child? Because otherwise some poor kid is still going to have a rough time whether the case is “real” in the sense of a genuinely outraged parent who suddenly decided to sue, or “manufacturerd” in the sense that the story is basically hypothetical and can’t be disproven and the motivations for suing are part of a political movement with backing and strategy behind it.
hentaicity.com is going to be rough to live down.
Imagine going to school if you were this kid
L(° O °L)
With a mom like this he’s probably homeschooled.
This is a test case. There are some deep Christofascist pockets behind her.
Specifically, the pockets come from the NCOSE (National Center on Sexual Exploitation), who’s purpose is to quote, “defend human dignity”.
I kinda feel like defending human dignity is not having your son involved in a lawsuit against porn sites.
I assume the line of thinking is: 1) white people numbers are decreasing, 2) people are not having children, 3) they use protection or not interested because they can watch porn, 4) ban porn means more teenagers getting pregnant??
it also works the other way around, interestingly:
Yeah, the teen isn’t enjoying life having to deal with his judgmental helicopter mother. But that’s not the porn sites fault.
Teenage boys like to look at naked women a lot, and will go to great lengths to obtain said material, legal or not, due to the 1 2 punch of raging hormones and not fully developed frontal lobes. News at 11 for the mother of the year over in Kansas that hasn’t been paying attention to what teenage boys are usually like for all of recorded history and beyond.
I can’t imagine what she would do if he happened to be into trans porn or God forbid gay porn. The horror. She would be the laughing stock of the garden club among her equally uptight peers. Would someone please think of all of the adult embarrassments in these times of teenagers finding themselves! /s
She is probably an american christian. You think she even cares? She only wants her son to go to church and save himself for marriage.
So parental responsibility now consists of suing for perceived damages of… ???
jacking off?
fuck’s sake. you don’t think they’ll pass a law against THAT do you?
A settlement of $100 for the extra laundry detergent over the next few years…
give it time
The first two use a lot of cancer advertising so im hoping they are getting done in by their own insistance on annoyance.
Note that under the Kansas bill, it appears that depictions of homosexuality qualify as also needing to be locked behind an age gate. Like, not “homosexual sex”, but homosexuality.
kansasreflector.com/…/dont-look-kids-according-to…
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Get this smut off my Lemmy page.
I think that this is okay, because this lemmy instance isn’t a commercial operation.
I guess that places like PinkNews and similar commercial media outlets might be open to lawsuits, though.
Please put an NSFW tag on this. I was on the train and when I saw this I had to start furiously masturbating. Everyone else gave me strange looks and were saying things like “what the fuck” and “call the police”. I dropped my phone and everyone around me saw this image. Now there is a whole train of men masturbating together at this one image. This is all your fault, you could have prevented this if you had just tagged this post NSFW
Can you imagine the roasting this poor kid gets at school because of his insane mom?
This was literally the first thing I thought when I read the headline.
Nelson (from Simpsons): “Ha ha!”
Seriously, who wants to bet this kid ends up disowning her, or ending himself as a result. The bullying would be fucking insane for that. National news over porn.
My thoughts as well.
Just let your kid masturbate in peace. WTF.
And/or you know, put a web filter / monitoring software for free on your devices that the kids have access to.
Android: Google Family Link, and many others if they aren’t trying to use Google products.
Apple has products as well. People just need to pay attention to their kids
The products suck. Google and apple don’t really have a monetary motivation to make them good. My kid easily gets around everything. And he is only 11. The best so far was a bark phone. They had to customize the operating system because google didn’t provide ways to lock things down. He still found a work around to play music on the talk and text only phone. Only had it a week. There just isn’t profit in it. So teach your kids about the realities of the web or they will find out themselves.
Thanks for sharing! A lot of it I saw was about people not locking down phones so kids had access to uninstall and reinstall apps to bypass blocks. Which if the app store / play store is locked to a parents Apple ID, unless the kid knows their password they shouldn’t be able to reinstall the apps. But all the same I agree there will in the end be a way to get around if they try hard enough. That said, what’s to stop someone just installing a 3rd party app store and using that, not sure. Unless the parental controls block .apk files and such.
If you don’t mind me asking, why were you trying to block music though? I would imagine if you block everything, they have more reason to try to find work arounds. If they have access to music and videos that are just filtered for porn/lewd or what not content, they have less reason to try to find work arounds and are more likely to comply, especially if the punishments for being caught finding a work around is high.
In the case of the phone, it is something he will take to school with him next year. Many for the location tracking. We didn’t have the option to bus for elementary school. So this will be his first time bussing. I can totally see him just going to a friends house from the bus stop. With the phone he could text us, and we would also be able to see where he is if he forgets.
But anyway, it is supposed to be totally locked down so it is boring and not a temptation at school. But if he can play music, he probably will do so in class and cause problems. His other devices that stay at home are not as locked down.
Oh, and for the android tablet, he can use routines. One called focus can be configured to close the parental controll program anytime it tries to launch. I was actually kinda proud about how he found that workaround. He didn’t even learn it from the web, just figured it out on his own. But anyway, they only fix is to block access to settings. But then he can’t manage Bluetooth devices like headphones, or join wireless networks like at the doctors office. And the app people say there is nothing they can do because android doesn’t give them the ability to control things as fine grained as that.
I highly recommend Qustudio. It works on phone and PC, and allows you to customise exactly what is monitored or blocked so you can keep an eye on things in an age appropriate way.
We started monitoring after we found out our 12 year old daughter was catfishing a 19 year old boy. He had no idea and after we explained that she could literally ruin his life, and made her tell him her age he noped out of there. (Wisely.)
At first we had it set to monitor everything, report all searches, all app downloads, block porn, etc.
Yes she was able to get around certain features, like when she was young we had the phone locked past midnight… But it logs when it’s in use, so we then had a talk the next day and took away the phone or PC if needed.
As she got older we removed the block on all websites, and stopped monitoring any messages. We kept the software on to let us know when she was using her devices because she would often be up until 3am on her phone on a school night and we would then have a conversation about it.
We removed it when she was 17 or 18.
I currently pay for qustodio. He can pown that thing in so many ways it isn’t funny. I have had multiple conversation with thier support, and usually the answer is that they can’t do anything about that because android doesn’t allow them to. For the pc it is windows of course, and they allow even less. Given the age of your kid now, there may not have been as many youtube videos back then explaining how to get around these parental controls. But there are now.
I have a technical background, so I can understand the things he is doing. Like I know what a vpn is, and how it can be used. So I can tell him that if he installs one there will be punishments. But most parents wouldn’t even know what it is, and if they got an alert about it, would probably believe whatever story thier kid told them about it.
And don’t get me started on the horrible parental controls on the switch. And roku effectively has none (they only work on the roku channel).
If a kid has any ambition, they can get around the vast majority of controls. And if the parent is not technical, they have no chance of really stopping a kid who wants to access something.
Oh yeah, they can get around it, but not without me knowing about it. If I find out, they lose the devices, simple as that.
You are right that parents who aren’t technical will have a hard time, but it’s not insurmountable. No devices in the bedrooms, ever. No downloading apps without permission ever. Google the app and give a yes or no.
When it came to it, wifi off at night and she got the basic Nokia phone. It’s a constant battle, sure but one we must win.
Also reminded her that no matter what, if she’s on our network, I will know what she’s up to. Instilling a healthy sense of fear is good. Router logs do not lie.
If it were just websites, the router can do a lot. Though with cell data, they aren’t on our router. And there is also the school wifi. And don’t forget the school chromebook… and heck, they can facetime a friend who can essentially stream them stuff. I disagree that it isn’t insurmountable for non-technical parents. There is just too much that they would need to know.
I imagine something like this.
I get the mom’s point that she is worried for his safet but like, that’s way too extreme, lol. Teens are eventually gonna be curious about it and learn about sex. There’s nothing wrong with fancying the opposite gender and masturbation as long as the teen doesn’t let the whole thing control his mind thus affecting his daily life if that makes any sense.
Nothing to do with safety, she wants a payout
Wow safety… She must’ve put some effort into a web filter or something yeah? No? Shes just a dumb lazy Karen?
The underage kid is using chaturbate to talk to live models, but of course people are hating the mom for being a lazy Karen.
It’s still her responsibility to make sure her kid uses the internet responsibly. I don’t have any desire to defend chaterbate (never used it, and don’t know much about it) but there are tons of harmful sites out there, forums, places like 4chan and 8chan which are likely even more damaging than some porn sites.
It isn’t the site’s responsibility to make sure you aren’t lying when you claim you’re over 18, unless you want every site to have all of your personal data.
Of course, it’s her responsibility. She may be going overboard but she’s still trying to protect her kid. Maybe she’s just trying to raise awareness or set an example.
Minors are their parents responsibility. If a kid is out at the park at 2am drinking with some kid who had an older sibling they stole or bought alcohol from, “there is more than 1 person at fault”. But the fact that YOUR kid was performing an illegal act and you are reporting it and claiming it is someone else’s fault is ridiculous. Who’s responsible for the boardwalk they accidentally catch on fire when trying to make s’mores by the lake? The parents. It is their job to make sure they aren’t watching porn DVDs if that is not the way they want their kids raised.
If the Internet used a metaphor like a mall, and your kid is caught crawling under stalls or into changing rooms hiding cameras at Victoria Secret, you shouldn’t allow your kid at the mall without supervision. That doesn’t mean the mall is a place minors can’t be, it means the guardians need to have educated the kids to not do such things, or be present to stop them. Kids will get on 18+ sites even if an ID is required. The kids would just make a pact at school to take a picture of every parents ID they could and share them with all their friends.
Poof now every kid has access again and everyone’s ID is being shared. So now is it the sites responsibility to figure out that mess or should the parents who’s identity has been stolen sue the other kids parents who used their ID to create an account. The only way you avoid that is by linking every email, phone number, and identification in one central government controlled and distributed to every company for free database. “For security reasons”.
Or maybe… We just tell guardians to guard their kids from the potential threats they can come across in their lives and prepare them for it. Web filters and programs are everywhere. Put a pamphlet at every school office and local library so parents know how to access them. It isn’t everyone else’s job to raise someone else’s kid, it’s their job.
let’s be real these companies are horrible and destroying the minds of millions of young men
I would argue that gambling sites and gacha games are much worse.
sure; maybe, maybe not. at least they don’t turn young men into womanizers with an unrealistic expectation of sexuality
I Jamaican dry rubbed off to swimsuit flyers when I was a kid, so at least my mind is safe.
accessibility is key here
Thanks for showing me more porn sites!
Mom is being responsible from protecting her children from filth. Respect.
Dumbass.
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She isn’t. After this lawsuit he will watch porn if he really wants to. She is wasting a bunch of her money for nothing. Money which she could invest in her family but is setting on fire instead.
If only there was some kind of system where minors are given rules to follow, and looked after by an authority figure that could steer them away from things that aren’t appropriate for them. For simplicity, these authority figures could even be adults that they are closely related to and live with.
Alas.
yeah well the jerkmate called and they’re running out of you
“What’s the difference? You’re their all-time bestseller.” :D
Thanks to new proposals to require ID verification for porn sites, the jerkmate may very well be running out of yous soon.
my jerkmate is dead you monster
My condolences to your hand.
Sorry, just kidding.
She should give him a helping hand… Reddit style.
He would need to break his arms first.
Can he no longer enjoy life cause he logged into chaturbate.
Or did he never enjoy life, because his moms a miserable kind of cunt that announces to the world her sweet baby boy looked at THE PORNOGRAPHY and is stirring up a massive, baseless lawsuit over it, thus traumatizing the fuck out of him… which I imagine isnt the first time shes done so.
edit Whats the running bet on if the kids even allowed to have a bedroom door?
Well the kid definitely can’t enjoy life now that his mom caught him and put him on blast in front of the entire nation.
World actually.
The kid is going to be either 1) hateful or 2) replicate of his mom. He will no longer be normal.
It would be the responsibility of the state to block sites that offend their fragile egos.
Teen could never enjoy life because their mom is the kind of person who sues porn sites rather than having a conversation about masturbation and sexual health with her child.
FTFY
She put him in the fucking public eye for what all teenagers, no matter what, do. Like, this is how you get an incel, or worse. Right? Shame on this woman.
I was led to believe that if your mom (although they always call it stepmom in the title) finds you doing that, they will come in, have a very short chat, music will start in the background and they will then, um… assist you. I am shocked to hear that in real life that is not the case. The internet has been lying to us.
Unless you have 2 broken arms
Just break both your arms. Is this teen fucking stupid?