They can’t look up your whereabouts for the last few hours when your phone has been sitting on the coffee table.
throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works
on 23 May 08:08
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They can put it in their records. If you “forget” too often, they’ll just assume you’re intentionally doing it and throw you in jail.
random_character_a@lemmy.world
on 23 May 04:46
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Then you’ll get 4kg ankle monitor with 200$ deposit, which you’ll never get back, even if you return it. Complaints will be handled by spending undetermined time in a government “resort” with fun quarry themed activities.
Surely the pro play would be simply not to go to Russia in the first place. Thinking about it that was always the pro play.
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de
on 23 May 02:27
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Why do they need an app instead of just using cell tower data? I guess you just take a flip phone then.
throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works
on 23 May 04:29
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Apps are easier, and they can design the app so they they query a list of all your other apps. They’ll know if you used any encrypted messaging apps, so later they know to search your chat logs and you cannot have plausible deniability, since they’ll know which exact apps you used (unless you use a second phone for your encrypted messaging apps).
If they make it mandatory, using a flip phone is gonna be breaking the law.
Edit:
Article says:
Using a mobile application that all foreigners will have to install on their smartphones, the Russian state will receive the following information:
Residence location
Fingerprint
Face photograph
Real-time geo-location monitoring
I think they are trying to verify that you actually have your phone with you, not just handing it to someone else and then sneak into a protest to create an alibi.
I speculate they will eventually randonly ping your phone and you’re expected to tap the notification to verify you are indeed the person holding the phone via facial recognition. Like a “check-in” with a probation officer type of thing.
Infernal_pizza@lemm.ee
on 23 May 04:54
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How would they gain your fingerprint? I didn’t think iOS or Android actually passed that on to apps I thought the OS handled biometric authentication and just informed the app that the fingerprint matched?
Yes but the fingerprint wouldn’t match would it so they don’t actually have to see your fingerprint they just need to get the error back from the phone OS
Nothing stopping an exta fingerprint being registered though…
throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works
on 23 May 07:43
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Changing the database of fingerprints can, if the app is properly configured, erase any “unlock token” stored on the phone.
I just tested this with KeepassDX on android. I deleted and re-added a fingerprint, the database that I had a fingerprint setup had relocked itself requiring the full password to be typed.
logan_hero@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 23 May 10:25
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Looking original in telegram:
Tap for spoiler
“Предложенной депутатами поправкой для иностранных граждан вводится:
📍 обязательная регистрация по месту нахождения;
📍 дактилоскопия;
📍 биометрическое фотографирование;
📍 мониторинг геолокации абонентских устройств.” Or “The amendment proposed by the deputies introduces for foreign citizens:
📍 mandatory registration at the place of residence;
📍 fingerprinting;
📍 biometric photography;
📍 monitoring of the geolocation of subscriber devices.”
it will just be collected throught immigration police not just throught the app.
We need to wait until we’re all there at once, and then decide that air travel out of Russia is too much of an international threat, and ban it. They can have a long and informative drive across half of rural Russia in order to get back.
Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 23 May 08:34
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A lot of people from Middle Asia come there for seasonal work (mainly construction and farming). For migrants its good money, for russia it was kind of necessary before the war because of Russia’s aging population, and essential after the war. Like, it will collapse industries if migrants stop coming.
So its strange that putin&co keep stoking xenophobia. Though, when did economic sense stopped a fascist from doing fascism.
It’s incredible how Putin was able to turn Russia’s image from “occasionally drunk, but beloved funny uncle” to “scumbag murderer rapist” in a bit more than a decade.
It has always been a sketchy place, but they at least kept an okay image up, and a lot of people in the cities enjoyed a significant quality of life increase since the 2000s. I have some Russian colleagues who fled before/after the war, and I see their sorrow as they see the horror Russia is doing to Ukraine and its own citizens. You cannot choose where you are born, and they are sad to see the decline of the country they grew up in.
The war started in 2014 but somehow half of Europe and all of the US forgot.
Not to mention what happened in Georgia.
Or what happened in Chechnya.
Or with people living in Moscow just because Putler wanted to start a war.
Or journalists.
Sorry,but Russia never was a beloved uncle.
Russia was always the “shady, violent, uncle who can’t keep his hand off his kids but everyone ignores that because some family image they need to uphold and furthermore while he is quite poor he makes great gifts to the rest of the family. So everyone tolerates him.”
Russia had some kind of chance during the wild 90s, before Putin and his fellow chekists retook all control. In some ways the West should’ve had a different approach to Russia during this period of time and in the early 00s. Not that anyone or anything but Russian pride and megalomania, and Putin’s ambitions, are to blame for the current situation. At this point Russia has to be defeated and their overblown self-understanding changed.
Russia was kind of the drunk uncle before Putin’s intensification, filled with vodka drinking bear wrestlers, insane driving, and comrade jokes. This personified especially in Jeltsin’s behaviour
And Russia spent 40 years violently oppressing east Germans - and every one else around them for the past five decades. Essentially Russians are like chihuahuas
sparky@lemmy.federate.cc
on 23 May 09:03
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Seems like the app stores could derail this by simply not approving the app outside of Russia, which would fall outside of Russia’s jurisdiction to do anything about.
ohshit604@sh.itjust.works
on 23 May 18:42
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or… better yet, not agree to the Russia’s terms and prevent the app outright?
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“I lost my phone” is gonna be heard a lot from now on over there.
Then they can say the classic line, “Don’t you all have phones?!”
I’m gonna take a wild guess and say losing your phone is probably gonna result in a penalty
That’s as good as saying “I lost my Driver’s License” after you get pulled over.
But they can look that up.
They can’t look up your whereabouts for the last few hours when your phone has been sitting on the coffee table.
They can put it in their records. If you “forget” too often, they’ll just assume you’re intentionally doing it and throw you in jail.
Then you’ll get 4kg ankle monitor with 200$ deposit, which you’ll never get back, even if you return it. Complaints will be handled by spending undetermined time in a government “resort” with fun quarry themed activities.
Ruskies have this all this figured out.
Surely the pro play would be simply not to go to Russia in the first place. Thinking about it that was always the pro play.
Why do they need an app instead of just using cell tower data? I guess you just take a flip phone then.
Apps are easier, and they can design the app so they they query a list of all your other apps. They’ll know if you used any encrypted messaging apps, so later they know to search your chat logs and you cannot have plausible deniability, since they’ll know which exact apps you used (unless you use a second phone for your encrypted messaging apps).
If they make it mandatory, using a flip phone is gonna be breaking the law.
Edit:
Article says:
I think they are trying to verify that you actually have your phone with you, not just handing it to someone else and then sneak into a protest to create an alibi.
I speculate they will eventually randonly ping your phone and you’re expected to tap the notification to verify you are indeed the person holding the phone via facial recognition. Like a “check-in” with a probation officer type of thing.
How would they gain your fingerprint? I didn’t think iOS or Android actually passed that on to apps I thought the OS handled biometric authentication and just informed the app that the fingerprint matched?
Yes but the fingerprint wouldn’t match would it so they don’t actually have to see your fingerprint they just need to get the error back from the phone OS
Nothing stopping an exta fingerprint being registered though…
Changing the database of fingerprints can, if the app is properly configured, erase any “unlock token” stored on the phone.
I just tested this with KeepassDX on android. I deleted and re-added a fingerprint, the database that I had a fingerprint setup had relocked itself requiring the full password to be typed.
Interesting, didn’t know that. Do you think that different enough from a timeout / reboot requirement of code? Could the app tell?
zero day exploits?
Looking original in telegram:
Tap for spoiler
“Предложенной депутатами поправкой для иностранных граждан вводится: 📍 обязательная регистрация по месту нахождения; 📍 дактилоскопия; 📍 биометрическое фотографирование; 📍 мониторинг геолокации абонентских устройств.” Or “The amendment proposed by the deputies introduces for foreign citizens: 📍 mandatory registration at the place of residence; 📍 fingerprinting; 📍 biometric photography; 📍 monitoring of the geolocation of subscriber devices.”
it will just be collected throught immigration police not just throught the app.
Holy shit, this is insane. No sane person would put up with this
Unless they have a Windows 10 app, that won’t work for me.
attaches tracking device to feral dog
Don’t they have a bunch of dogs in Moscow that like take the subway and shit?
Even better, the feral dogs are commuting too. chef’s kiss
Decent cover. “Well, this guy commutes to the dumpster behind the butcher shop every day…”
Coming soon to USA in like a few months 👀
trump does get alot of ideas from putin.
people sitll going to russia?
Usual visitors are USA’s GOP, France’s RN, Germany’s AfD, etc…
We need to wait until we’re all there at once, and then decide that air travel out of Russia is too much of an international threat, and ban it. They can have a long and informative drive across half of rural Russia in order to get back.
A lot of people from Middle Asia come there for seasonal work (mainly construction and farming). For migrants its good money, for russia it was kind of necessary before the war because of Russia’s aging population, and essential after the war. Like, it will collapse industries if migrants stop coming.
So its strange that putin&co keep stoking xenophobia. Though, when did economic sense stopped a fascist from doing fascism.
Yes, but it’s basically just some former soviet states and China that visit in noticable numbers.
It’s incredible how Putin was able to turn Russia’s image from “occasionally drunk, but beloved funny uncle” to “scumbag murderer rapist” in a bit more than a decade.
It has always been a sketchy place, but they at least kept an okay image up, and a lot of people in the cities enjoyed a significant quality of life increase since the 2000s. I have some Russian colleagues who fled before/after the war, and I see their sorrow as they see the horror Russia is doing to Ukraine and its own citizens. You cannot choose where you are born, and they are sad to see the decline of the country they grew up in.
The war started in 2014 but somehow half of Europe and all of the US forgot.
Not to mention what happened in Georgia. Or what happened in Chechnya.
Or with people living in Moscow just because Putler wanted to start a war. Or journalists.
Sorry,but Russia never was a beloved uncle. Russia was always the “shady, violent, uncle who can’t keep his hand off his kids but everyone ignores that because some family image they need to uphold and furthermore while he is quite poor he makes great gifts to the rest of the family. So everyone tolerates him.”
That’s why I was specifically talking about image
Russia had some kind of chance during the wild 90s, before Putin and his fellow chekists retook all control. In some ways the West should’ve had a different approach to Russia during this period of time and in the early 00s. Not that anyone or anything but Russian pride and megalomania, and Putin’s ambitions, are to blame for the current situation. At this point Russia has to be defeated and their overblown self-understanding changed.
Russia was kind of the drunk uncle before Putin’s intensification, filled with vodka drinking bear wrestlers, insane driving, and comrade jokes. This personified especially in Jeltsin’s behaviour
Germany was too busy making money 🤡
And Russia spent 40 years violently oppressing east Germans - and every one else around them for the past five decades. Essentially Russians are like chihuahuas
And you would think east germans would learn a lesson but instead they are Russian base within germany lol
culture of bootlicking strikes again.
People are stupid. Never gonna argue against that
Yep. This was the image we had from the Russians. A bit odd and drunk but reasonable people. All gone
youtu.be/PuQD1jgG9oQ
Seems like the app stores could derail this by simply not approving the app outside of Russia, which would fall outside of Russia’s jurisdiction to do anything about.
or… better yet, not agree to the Russia’s terms and prevent the app outright?
That’s kinda my point. Even if Russia tries to order them to make it available, they can’t do so except to Russian users, which defeats the purpose.
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It’s nl not ml
even worse, it’s .world.
The .world crowd is seriously the worst
.world is just same regime front as reddit