I wonder what happens to Google without the advertising monopoly. They kill off everything else they build so realistically they are just an ad company at this point which offers a declining search engine. While they won’t be dethroned anytime soon in search, they keep making it worse so I have to imagine it won’t be gaining users. If they did break it out, maybe that will improve search.
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 06 May 17:30
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Google itself started in 1998, and launched their ad stuff in 2000. They’ve essentially always been an advertising company.
Sweet, sweet analytical data…
killeronthecorner@lemmy.world
on 06 May 19:00
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Once upon a time they were the “good ads”. They had an unobtrusive but instantly recognisable ad-format that was reasonably tolerable and text-only. It was once they started showing sponsored search results that it became apparent they were willing to be subversive to get clicks.
Their whole image was built around user trust and the moment they had everyone hooked they 180ed.
jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
on 06 May 16:27
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On the one hand: Good. Google is a monopoly and they suck, too.
On the other, I don’t trust the trump administration to do anything correctly. They’ll probably try to give google to Musk or something.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
on 06 May 17:57
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Isn’t it frustrating to know the difference between right and wrong, then seeing wrong get punished, but instead of right prevailing, it is instead just more wrong?
That’d be something though… Can you imagine watching one of the largest companies in the world being run into the ground in under two years? I’d pay to watch that
Google admitted at least internally that they were going to be actively political against Republicans and trump after he won in 2016. That still hasn’t changed.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 06 May 16:32
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I’m hoping they can figure out how to operate leaner and without Google money. People get mad about them but they’re the best alternative we have and they do more good than any bad policy. At worst keep supporting Firefox while using a mild fork like Waterfox since the core of development is with Mozilla
They probably shouldn’t base out of the US and everything Proton does as a business should have been Mozilla if they actually had better long term vision
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 06 May 18:00
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Mozilla is staffed by parasites who are just taking Google's money to not do shit.
Signal is in similar position.
Just appeasing privacy and non bootlicker types who are a very small minority that constantly crying on fedi about it 🤡
Mozilla stubbornly refuses to allow people to donate to Firefox specifically (as opposed to Firefox and their other random projects they pull out of the hat every other quarter or so to be used for any of them at their discretion). I would have set up a monthly donation to Firefox long ago if only they allowed donations just to Firefox. I have read many others complain about the same issue over the years.
commander@lemmy.world
on 06 May 21:46
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I agree with that. I always like the KDE Project. They work on Qt and a bunch of applications including the desktop and the expected desktop applications like a file explorer. Plus good stuff like Kdenlive, Krita, etc.
I’ve felt that web browser development should have been a part of a consortium of projects like a dropbox replacement, email service, search engine, VPN, office products, etc so they could bundle cloud services and actually look worth it comparison to like a O365 and Google One sub
Not every application alone is going to attract funding like the Linux kernel or Blender and web browser development is expensive but not a sell-able product alone. It can market other products
I see this sentiment pop up occasionally but it’s rare that anyone ever explains what else the Mozilla Foundation does that’s so egregious to make it not worth donating.
Pretty much all their other projects are not really worth it, e.g. that mobile OS, Firefox Send, their VPN, all those AI projects recently, Pocket,… and usually just lead to dead ends. Thunderbird might be an exception if I needed an email client but I do not.
And the ones that do seem useful and good bang for the buck, like Mozilla Observatory, get abandoned.
ohshit604@sh.itjust.works
on 06 May 17:13
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G - Google
A - Apple
F - Facebook
A - Amazon
M - Microsoft
5 companies, each own a portion of the internet like it’s the stock market.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 06 May 17:58
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Y'all are just now finding that out that corpo is a tool of ownership for the means of production?!?
iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com
on 08 May 04:58
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Why did you write this?
Nothing above indicates this is a new revelation.
And even if so, we should welcome new comrades to the struggle. That’s how we build solidarity.
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Uh oh, sounds like someone didn’t go up Drumps ass far enough.
Ah well, I’ll take the wins where I can get them lol
Obscenely large donation incoming in 5… 4…
They don’t even need to donate.
He’s openly selling access to the while house through his crypto scheme. They’re not even pretending to run it through a campaign.
Don’t worry, cheque’s in the mail.
I wonder what happens to Google without the advertising monopoly. They kill off everything else they build so realistically they are just an ad company at this point which offers a declining search engine. While they won’t be dethroned anytime soon in search, they keep making it worse so I have to imagine it won’t be gaining users. If they did break it out, maybe that will improve search.
Google itself started in 1998, and launched their ad stuff in 2000. They’ve essentially always been an advertising company.
Sweet, sweet analytical data…
Once upon a time they were the “good ads”. They had an unobtrusive but instantly recognisable ad-format that was reasonably tolerable and text-only. It was once they started showing sponsored search results that it became apparent they were willing to be subversive to get clicks.
Their whole image was built around user trust and the moment they had everyone hooked they 180ed.
If I was Google I would be hugely worried about ChatGPT. I’ve started using it to search for info over mainly DuckDuckGo but also Google.
google isnt worried about shit. They are teh default and the user is a lazy POS so the existence of a better service isnt a factor for them.
Except being the default is not the default anymore. New android phones have to allow you to select from a whole host of browsers and search engines.
I think that only applies to the UK. In the US, defaults don’t have to be presented as a changable thing during first time setup.
Europe for sure, I’m not in the UK.
On the one hand: Good. Google is a monopoly and they suck, too.
On the other, I don’t trust the trump administration to do anything correctly. They’ll probably try to give google to Musk or something.
Isn’t it frustrating to know the difference between right and wrong, then seeing wrong get punished, but instead of right prevailing, it is instead just more wrong?
That’d be something though… Can you imagine watching one of the largest companies in the world being run into the ground in under two years? I’d pay to watch that
It’s not fun from the inside (not Google).
Every time i see this waft up all i can think is “google failed to pay their bribes”
Google admitted at least internally that they were going to be actively political against Republicans and trump after he won in 2016. That still hasn’t changed.
I wonder what will happen to Firefox.
I’m hoping they can figure out how to operate leaner and without Google money. People get mad about them but they’re the best alternative we have and they do more good than any bad policy. At worst keep supporting Firefox while using a mild fork like Waterfox since the core of development is with Mozilla
They probably shouldn’t base out of the US and everything Proton does as a business should have been Mozilla if they actually had better long term vision
Mozilla is staffed by parasites who are just taking Google's money to not do shit.
Signal is in similar position.
Just appeasing privacy and non bootlicker types who are a very small minority that constantly crying on fedi about it 🤡
Okay, then you go and fork firefox and add in all the shit that google is supposedly paying them to exclude.
At some point, this will have to happen and the adults will have to pay for it.
Cheers!
The organization needs to dump it’s management and go back to it’s roots. Stop being shitty and be the desktop people want.
Mozilla stubbornly refuses to allow people to donate to Firefox specifically (as opposed to Firefox and their other random projects they pull out of the hat every other quarter or so to be used for any of them at their discretion). I would have set up a monthly donation to Firefox long ago if only they allowed donations just to Firefox. I have read many others complain about the same issue over the years.
I agree with that. I always like the KDE Project. They work on Qt and a bunch of applications including the desktop and the expected desktop applications like a file explorer. Plus good stuff like Kdenlive, Krita, etc.
I’ve felt that web browser development should have been a part of a consortium of projects like a dropbox replacement, email service, search engine, VPN, office products, etc so they could bundle cloud services and actually look worth it comparison to like a O365 and Google One sub
Not every application alone is going to attract funding like the Linux kernel or Blender and web browser development is expensive but not a sell-able product alone. It can market other products
I see this sentiment pop up occasionally but it’s rare that anyone ever explains what else the Mozilla Foundation does that’s so egregious to make it not worth donating.
Pretty much all their other projects are not really worth it, e.g. that mobile OS, Firefox Send, their VPN, all those AI projects recently, Pocket,… and usually just lead to dead ends. Thunderbird might be an exception if I needed an email client but I do not.
And the ones that do seem useful and good bang for the buck, like Mozilla Observatory, get abandoned.
5 companies, each own a portion of the internet like it’s the stock market.
Y'all are just now finding that out that corpo is a tool of ownership for the means of production?!?
Why did you write this?
Nothing above indicates this is a new revelation.
And even if so, we should welcome new comrades to the struggle. That’s how we build solidarity.
the FAANG is real
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