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The author hopes for a future version of Windows that offers more user control and less interference from Microsoft’s software-as-a-service products.

Currently there is zero incentive for Microsoft to do this, and only upside potential to keep doing what they’re doing.

You’d need thousands of companies to abandon their dependency on Windows, Office, and the entire Microsoft ecosystem for them to change course now.

It’s like when people in abusive relationships suddenly realize that their partner doesn’t actually care about them, and everyone around them is like “Yeah, no shit. Fucking leave their ass.”

There might be a day when Microsoft caves and releases a Windows that is more like what we wanted, but I imagine it’s going to get a lot worse before it gets any better.

I thought that was going to be with Windows 10’s forced updates and telemetry, but people just stopped caring. I’m pretty much assuming that’ll be the same for the current batch of nonsense. I can’t imagine how bad it would have to get for the general public to say “enough is enough”.

Just look at how bad the car industry is now. Your car spies on EVERYTHING.

Windows can still get a lot worse before we begin to see an improvement.

That’s fine. I’ll just stick with Windows 7 for the next 30 years.

The interesting thing for me is that I own two different surface pro 7 tablets. I have one for work and one for home (now that work doesn’t require me to bring my own device anymore). The work surface has windows 10 pro on it. My home one doesn’t, The difference is very interesting. The IT team have disabled a lot of stuff on my work surface that I don’t even have access to on my home unit. I don’t often have bugs from updates breaking things at work. I do at home though which is enough for me to perhaps upgrade the windows key on my home unit someday. If I don’t install linux first which is a possibility.

That’s the difference between the Home and Pro versions though. The things that generally break on the Home versions are all the things not generally enabled on a domain controlled Pro version. Thisbis more about Microsoft just being bad at small updates versus these giant roundup packages they like to ship.

It's kind of disingenuous of you to proudly say, "I don't use the same version of Windows that this person likely does and I don't have the same issues that this person does so they must be full of shit".

Seriously, anytime people make complaints like these about windows, it just tells me they are either

1. Tweaking their system in ways far beyond what the OS is designed for (which is fine, but then don’t blame Microsoft when updates break your system)
2. Doesn’t know how to use a computer
3. Knows how to use a computer but is willfully ignorant so they can rant at MS and get clicks
4. Incredibly unlucky and not representative of the general population

I hate Windows for all the monetisation and privacy issues but I never really had problems with it killing my computer.

I find this to either be a lie or self inflicted.

“I’ve never experienced what you describe, so it must be either imagined or your own fault.”

I’ve seen this nonsense over and over again in communities of all kinds, most often in tech forums (where there are always a few participants suffering from a big-fish-little-pond effect). It’s a very rude and foolish bit of human behavior.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

My two cents, I could say the same as the author. My Windows work laptop most of the times cannot wake up from sleep (you know, opening the lid after it's closed) so I have to force a restart. There's a 50% or less chance that Bluetooth and WiFi won't work at all (they won't be displayed on Windows, like it's not even a feature) after I turn the laptop on, so most of my pre-work morning is restarting the laptop until it's working as intended. It's the third laptop I got from them, they're different models but they're all HP, and they all had problems. The Macs and the same HP laptops running Linux have none of these issues.

It's not harmful to tell average people who run windows to disable updates, because you can't disable the updates as a single-license scrub.

(Theres usually some hacky bullshit to delay or block updates, but they break constantly and you have to keep finding new ones, because Microsoft thinks of their userbase as stupid babies who can't be trusted with their own hardware).

Also, you live in your own personal slice of Windows control with your hundreds/thousands of systems being managed with group policies. I have no doubt that you don't see issues, because your company chose a few models of laptop or desktop and know how they'll react to the updates. You can turn off the annoying shit, and choose specific updates at specific times. Microsoft doesn't want to piss off their corporate customers, especially the ones with massive spending contracts with Dell/HP/Lenovo.

Thing is, outside of you - and your groups of other corporate windows admins - the general user (with varied hardware/software configurations) don't have the safety of catching issues on a few test machines and delaying a deploy to the fleet, or even the option to delay updates at all, and they're screwed over constantly by random broken drivers, system setting that aren't respected between updates, and bloat/backdoors that you can't opt out of.

It is you who is being disingenuous, by suggesting that the windows update system has no flaws, because you operate in an extremely controlled environment with tons of safeguards and - ironically - way more autonomy.

I can kind of feel the author on this. I’m in charge of a lot of “special projects” at work that basically come down to, “figure out a way to replicate this extremely expensive technology or software using low cost or free alternatives”. It ends up being an unholy mix of programs and hardware that is held together with duct tape and super glue and any minor perturbation means something breaks.

It’s disingenuous and probably harmful to be telling people to disable updates that lead them to be exposed to vulnerabilities.

That is probably why Microsoft forced updates on people in W10.

There have been two distinct Windows updates in recent memory that have broken things.

1. The one that stopped network printers from working, and you had to change a specific GPO setting which was not available in Intune at the time, meaning I had to do it manually on each computer.

2. The one that removed all shortcuts to Office 365 apps from the desktop and start menu, necessitating a repair… manually on each affected machine.

So it does happen on occasion. It’s not as bad as in the XP days, but it still can be a little sketchy at times

Doesn’t even need updates, in the 10 years I was on Windows it didn’t want to start after shutting it down again like 7 times

I hated having to reinstall every year

I’ve been using windows 11 since general release and have had zero issues. Not with ads, not with updates, not with one drive. Well, unless you count clicking away pop-ups to use new features from time to time. Not once has a file been saved to onedrive.

I‘ve had several faulty Windows updates in recent years and my machine is pre-built. And going by the threads I sifted through in search of solutions I am far from the only one. It‘s perfectly fine to not have the newest update at all times so as long as you update once a month when you can afford a potential faulty update. Having an older than most recent version is far from your biggest concern regarding security. I would even say it‘s a non-issue compared to good old fishing mails.

Maybe if Microsoft(/Facebook/Elon) stopped doing actively fucking evil shit every opportunity they got it wouldn’t dominate the discussion?

Dude…I’ve been here since may, and submitted about a dozen posts. Not tech related, but, still. Lemmy gotta grow and get interaction!

Go make a post in your favorite sub right now.

It started when they changed My Computer to This Computer.

You sound like a Linux veteran.

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I mean you probably want to have internet when you install any OS…

You use Arch Linux but can’t fix your wifi?

I’m thinking about doing it too but with w11

I ran ltsc for a few months… Then I found it didn’t have simple stuff like the camera app? I forget why, but there was one all I really needed that I didn’t have, so after fighting trying to install it, I just want back to Windows pro. I might give windows enterprise a try though.

PERFECT!

I don’t understand why this meme [template] exists. Did they rocket this guy up there to shoot him? Why would be be in space if he couldn’t be trusted with the truth?

I wonder how many years until all mainstream websites and web based apps like steam refuse to work because you’re os isn’t supported by the latest browser version.

Only computer I have Windows on is my laptop and that’s only because it’s fairly new and laptops are notorious for proprietary hardware that’s hard to get decent drivers for. My desktop has had Linux for a couple of years and everything else runs Linux.

It’s not easy committing to the change when you have no knowledge of the platform. The status quo is always easier until it no longer is.

Having seen how different Linux is from what it was 20 years ago, it’s way more approachable than it used to be. Most people could adjust pretty quickly, but with so much of the technical bits hidden from sight, the average PC user these days isn’t as tech savvy as they were many years ago, and making the switch can be intimidating.

You know it’s not the same person posting every time

Some people have moved passed thinking about it. Others have just started. Its a growing sentiment and more people are starting to feel it.

I can relate to the anxiety that comes with the thought of switching and finding out you’re missing something essential.

It wasn’t a big deal for me since I’ve used FOSS alternatives for almost everything even on Windows and was hardly gaming anymore when I made the switch (but somewhat ironically I started again on Linux). But that’s hardly the position most unhappy Windows users are in.

Linux won’t work for my needs. I would switch if it did.

Give it a couple weeks and maybe by then I’ll hopefully have upgraded from win10 on my desktop to either Spiral or Netrunner. Only thing holding me back from upgrading on my desktop right now is how much stuff I have to save to my new external drive and how it feels like a Herculean task.

I gave Linux a try 2 or 3 times back when I was in school. It was a horrible user experience and games wouldn’t work back then.

Now that games on Linux are a thing, I would love to give it a try once more. But now I have a full-time office job and a family. When I’m off work, I just want to fire up the PC and have everything work, which it does with windows. I also have the Pro version of Windows 11 and don’t experience all of the ad horror that everyone here is talking about.

If I gain back the free time and mental capacity, I’ll give it a try.

I’m using Linux on servers and for self hosting, but Linux on a desktop is a sick joke.

Getting rid of Google would require switching phone for me as there isn’t a google free ROM for the Redmi K50 Pro.

Every day, a large number of people start using Linux for the first time. But the internet has a lot of people on it - so you can expect to see “I’m thinking about switching” posts for many years to come. Posts like that won’t slow down until Windows is in minority. (And that is unlikely to happen any time in the foreseeable future.)

Poor you

Doesn’t apply to the author here, so I don’t understand why you brought it up?

Most people believe they will start seeing problems where there were none before. They need to invest time into research about their use-cases, which is a cost even before switching.

The typical user used Windows since before they became scared of change, so that’s what they’ll stick with.

The pain of using Windows still can and will be higher without the majority of people switching to anything.

Yes, because I need Adobe to do my meh wage part-time job in developing country from my one and only working laptop and I don’t have the luxury of surplus money, time, and mental energy to do anything about it.

But I get your point. If I have the means, I will fix my broken Thinkpad and definitely install Linux there the first chance I get. Either that or Adobe finally release Linux version, which will probably be released after Half-Life 3.

I can’t wait to try Endeavor (so I can finally be an obnoxious person who say “I used Arch^-based^ ^distro^, btw”)

I’m not allowed to do my full-time job from any other computer besides the windows one assigned to me.

It’s not a failure to consider the alternatives that slows adoption, it is the very real material problems with those alternatives.

It’s not fair that a multinational corporation gets to wield virtually limitless power to starve the alternatives of oxygen and create as much friction as possible in the process of switching, but it is a very real problem, and blaming the users won’t solve anything.

I used to help maintain a Linux distro, and there is a level of polish Windows has that I feel cannot be reached by the FOSS ecosystem due the resources dumped into hiring dedicated teams at MS. Microsoft has tons of money. I’m sad about the direction of windows, but it generally works pretty well for how it’s designed (which is in some cases awful).

doing the same on my brand new Smartphone

Watch out, rooting a phone may have unexpected consequences, like losing LTE on Samsungs or losing access to banking apps.

also thanks to lemmy I made the switch from Windows to Linux and I’ll never go back.

What distro did you settle on for your PC?

Registry keys are inferior but they do exist. The last time I used Windows I just had to set some magic reg keys and it was easy to make that happen.

on my i3wm workstation it’s literally a one liner in my config file, which is comprehensive across all of i3wm. Ignoring external scripts.

What’s the use case?

In atleast 3 distros I wanted to add program at start-up, easy peasy on windows , Linux is mess , some has gui for that but these three distorsion HAD ZERO option for it and I still don’t know how to do it.

In windows i want to serch for here is program installed, so easy to know and find . In Linux I had to fight multiple terminal commands ( in 2024 no less) and ev n then indid not come across whwre is the program installed

In Linux I plugged in hdd and wanted a program to acess its content, turns out I can’t do that without mumbo jumbo or wv n with it Whwre as in windows , inplug it and VOILA! I can access it across anything.

Linux MAY be good at something , but it still sucks for real Common usage.

Edit didn’t mean to imply Linux is easier than Windows to learn in general.

It is though. People just neglect that in today’s world, no one “learns” Windows from scratch.

Learning to do anything from scratch is easier on most Linux distros than on Windows. The tools are better and the documentation is light years ahead. Windows is a steaming pile of horseshit in comparison. But once you’ve made yourself a cozy nest in the middle of said pile, getting to the comfy whirlpool hot tub that is linux requires you to scale over the walls of horseshit surrounding your nest. And that is what makes people claim “but Linux hard, muh duh!”

Would you mind sharing that script? That sounds incredibly useful lol. I’m new-ish to linux as my daily driver and love customizing it!

#!/bin/bash

# Time in seconds to wait after launch of program and manipulation of window
timer=5

# Launch FreeCAD maximized on the main screen
freecad &
sleep $timer  # Wait for FreeCAD to launch
wmctrl -r "FreeCAD" -b add,maximized_vert,maximized_horz

# Launch Cura on the second screen, top half
cura &
sleep $timer  # Wait for Cura to launch
xdotool search --onlyvisible --name "Ultimaker Cura" windowsize 540 960 windowmove 2560 0

# Launch Firefox on the second screen, bottom half
firefox &
sleep $timer  # Wait for Firefox to launch
xdotool search --onlyvisible --name "Mozilla Firefox" windowsize 540 960 windowmove 2560 960

echo "Applications have been launched and positioned."

He prescribed me a medication but when I went to get it from the pharmacy they just gave me a bunch of precursor chemicals which are just toxic if not combined in the right way. When I asked for help the pharmacist just said “RTFM”

Also, what is a comorbidity?

I’ve been a macOS user for over a decade and I am never going back to Windows. That being said, Apple does have iCloud (their version of OneDrive) which is tightly integrated into the OS and they’re not shy about asking you to pay for more storage. They also want you to log in with an Apple ID when you first start your computer and I don’t know how easy it is to use a local account.

It’s not the same as Windows in terms of aggressive ads and upsells, but Apple aren’t innocent in wanting more of your money. If you want true freedom you have to pay with your time and energy and run Linux.

When I switched to Linux (year 2011), jumping through hoops reduced significantly, because:

running games on builtin Intel cards etc, that is, kinda second-class citizen hardware, was anyways PITA ;

it made my stuff run terribly faster ;

those hoops are not too different in complexity from installing mods for games under Windows ;

for trying to learn programming Linux is much less problematic (have ADHD, so didn’t learn much back then, but) ;

the main issue of uninstalling McAffee went away for free ;

I was at school, so didn’t have any problems with office suites’ incompatibilities and such ;

and also Linux in 2011 was in general easier, don’t believe RedHat fanboys and such, it was very nice before PulseAudio, systemd and widespread adoption of GTK3, say, to change colors you just needed a 20-line .gtkrc-2.0 and .Xresources, and your WM’s config file, it’s 20 minutes from fresh install to feel normal ;

the community was friendlier, somehow back then RTFM was considered acceptable, but people rarely used it, now everybody behaves as if RTFM was very bad, but also too many people use it, sometimes to avoid admitting that they are wrong and a certain thing is absent in TFM.

It isn’t your computer, user license clearly states you’re renting the software

It IS your computer, it’s just not your software.

It’s not that people ignore it, it’s just that they don’t really have an alternative. You can rent from Microsoft or Apple, or go the Linux way where you don’t have the proper UX an average user needs and is accustomed to with Windows or macOS.