from ForgottenFlux@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 26 Apr 2024 18:12
https://lemmy.world/post/14728564
YouTube first spoke about pause ads last year when it started trialing them in select regions. At the time, the company said that when you pause a video, it will shrink, and an ad will appear next to it.
“In Q1, we saw strong traction from the introduction of a pause ads pilot on connected TVs, a new non-interruptive ad format that appears when users pause their organic content,” Schindler noted. He went on to share that YouTube’s pause ads are “driving strong brand lift results” and “are commanding premium pricing from advertisers.”
Schindler didn’t share any timelines for when pause ads will start appearing on YouTube, but we know they’ll first roll out on smart TVs. The nature of these ads, including their duration, skippability, and more is still unclear. We also don’t know if Google plans to introduce these ads on YouTube’s mobile apps.
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FFS. /picardfacepalm
Edit: Based on the downvotes, I guess we’re all supposed to like having commercials whenever we hit the pause button.
~Anti~ ~Commercial-AI~ ~license~ ~(CC~ ~BY-NC-SA~ ~4.0)~
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It appears this person signs off all of their comments with a creative commons license for fair use, presumably saying how you’re allowed to use their comment. Which I’m relatively sure has exactly the same legal power as a boomer posting a Facebook picture saying that they don’t consent to having their data collected
FFS. /picardfacepalm
Not a lawyer, but if their instance doesn't have provisions about user submitted content, maybe there is some amount of weight to it?
I didn’t used to, but got tired of people making money training their AI models off of my comments. And it’s a momentary copy and paste, easy to do.
Also, considering the types of replies I’m getting these days, and the entertainment I’m obtaining from people’s reactions to them, I find it good to just include them in every comment going forward. It weirdly triggers people for some reason.
Well, when you get your law degree, come on back and let us all know what the final word from you is on this subject.
~Anti~ ~Commercial-AI~ ~license~ ~(CC~ ~BY-NC-SA~ ~4.0)~
Wtf?! You copy and paste them manually? I thought you were using an app that let you set footer/signature.
I actually went looking on the Lemmy website client for a signature field in the account info area, but they didn’t have it.
So I sent a text message to myself once with the Lemmy formatted url string, and I use that as a scratch pad.
Then all I have to do is press hold on the text message to copy it once, and paste it in each of my comments.
Takes just a second.
I’m hoping someday the Lemmy web client will allow signatures, so I can just put it there and not even have to hassle it.
~Anti~ ~Commercial-AI~ ~license~ ~(CC~ ~BY-NC-SA~ ~4.0)~
Whelp, if you’re on desktop, you can always use autohotkey or similar app to assign a shortcut to automatically type that signature.
Thanks for the info. I also use Fedora with KDE so I’m going to just check and see if they have a macro feature there as well.
~Anti~ ~Commercial-AI~ ~license~ ~(CC~ ~BY-NC-SA~ ~4.0)~
Well, let me break this down for you, one part at a time…
FFS
(Click on above link for explanation.)
I’m facepalming the fact that YouTube wants to stick ads in when you do a pause on a video, the same way that Captain Picard from Star Trek the Next Generation does. It’s an older but still relevant meme.
I’m apparently annoying some individuals for some strange reason who get triggered and can’t handle having a link in someone’s comment that points to an open source license.
~Anti~ ~Commercial-AI~ ~license~ ~(CC~ ~BY-NC-SA~ ~4.0)~
It’s a waste of screen real estate that does nothing. Your “rights” automatically conflict with the rights of the platform you’re posting to, and all the other ones that you federate with. Unfortunately there’s no standing for your link to do anything. All your doing is advertising a webpage for no reason. Further, you cannot enter someone into an agreement with your licensing terms without positive consent/agreement, which you’re not obtaining nor could ever reasonably obtain on a federated platform where your content is automatically distributed to the entire fediverse.
Buy products from my affiliate link! (except yours does nothing useful at all)
Are you a lawyer? Honestly curious.
It sounds like you’re stating that the Creative Commons license is invalid to use whenever it’s used online. I’m pretty sure the people who made the license wouldn’t agree with that.
~Anti~ ~Commercial-AI~ ~license~ ~(CC~ ~BY-NC-SA~ ~4.0)~
Didn’t say that at all. I’m saying that you posting your post to lemmy.world doesn’t bind them to any license. And neither does it bind anyone else to it.
If it’s your words on your own platform then no problem, you can license it however you see fit. But your post was posted to someone else’s server and was federated to my instance. I didn’t agree to any license and neither did the lemmy instance you posted to (or anyone else in the federation), I wouldn’t have accepted any terms of a license, and will continue not to accept any that limits my ability to distribute content unrestricted (eg. a non-exclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use, copy, distribute, publicly display, and modify your User Content) specifically because all of that is required in order to distribute content over the fediverse. Regardless of if my lemmy instance makes money or not.
Nobody needs to be a lawyer to understand this. Being bound to licenses requires consent in order to be bound. You published your data to my server knowingly where I do not offer such consent to any user submitted license. This would be akin to you handing me a gift and only after I’ve used it state that I need to accept terms and conditions. That’s not how it works at all.
Lets look at this the other way… If I posted this response to my lemmy instance and grant rights only to lemmy.saik0.com with no rights for distribution, no rights to other instances, and all other rights fully reserved. I cannot now go after every instance in the federation for distributing my content to your screen, I willingly gave the content over and lemmy.saik0.com or lemmy.world didn’t necessarily agree to that license. Or another example… Where I want to post restrictive license that grants me rights to someone else’s instance even though I have no ownership stake in their instance for posting on their platform. You cannot simply bind someone to a license of ANY TERMS without explicit acceptance. In many cases it’s “by continuing to use this product” on a modal pop-up for example. requiring an active closing of the modal to continue operating the site. You’re missing that completely… consent… and every server in between me and you would also need to agree to it even if I were to agree to your license terms.
Ultimately I own my server… and you’re submission of content pushes data to my server without my consent to your terms. You cannot bind me to them.
Honestly, I’m too exhausted to rebut your various points that I disagree with. Been spending too much time, much more than should be spent, in debating this issue with people, for what we’re talking about, a single link.
I’ll advocate for being the owner of my own content, and being able to license it the way I see fit, until an actual lawyer with some standing states otherwise.
I do thank you for your input though.
~Anti~ ~Commercial-AI~ ~license~ ~(CC~ ~BY-NC-SA~ ~4.0)~
I just find it hilarious that you post shit like this… lemmy.world/comment/9578409
And think that your posts should not be usable for some purpose reason when O’Reilly definitely WOULD have a case over their trademark. And you’re distributing that content under your own license. Especially since that image is tagged with a different user in the bottom right.
I don’t care for the argument. I’m just outlining why people are downvoting you. You’re likely wrong, which you’ve already admitted in your comment history that you have no idea. And that you are a hypocrite on the matter anyway.
But right… Good luck.
You’re overthinking it. I only expected the license declaration to apply to this part of my post, the actual comment…
… and not to the image that was obtained on the Internet.
You’re very sure of yourself, for not being a lawyer.
And yet, you seem very invested, spending a lot of time initiating and responding, for a simple usage of a link in a comment.
I wasn’t aware I asked you to, but I do appreciate you keeping me informed. I can sleep soundly at night, knowing that you’re out there, watching my back.
Also, they’re upvoting, etc., too. And honestly, I don’t care either way, I do what I think is right, not what’s popular.
At the end of the day, it’s just a link in a comment, not much to worry about, either way. If it has legal standings, all the better. If not, the only thing I’ve wasted was the time to do a momentary copy and paste.
So weird how this makes some people get so bent out of shape.
Edit: Finally, looking through your posting history, damn dude, you seem really angry at people who want to protect their rights.
~Anti~ ~Commercial-AI~ ~license~ ~(CC~ ~BY-NC-SA~ ~4.0)~
I’m sure the original creator of that work feels the same way… That their copyright should be acknowledged. But you wouldn’t know because you didn’t adhere to their rights and definitely do not have distribution rights to the works. But demand that your rights be listened to by attaching a license that nobody agreed to on every post.
So now is the stance that nobody except lawyers should talk? If that’s the case, I invite you to set the precedent on the matter. Since I know that you’re not one, you should have shut up on the matter a long time ago no? Have you ever even talked to a lawyer on the matter? I have. I’ve read a lot on it to. Turns out that you have to at least know some of these things when you teach courses that tangentially run into these issues. In my case CyberSecurity. I mean it’s not like this topic hasn’t been done to death already with forums and stuff over the past 40 years of internet. The only novel thing here is federation. Nowhere is is possible for you to upload content without giving all sorts of rights to distribute your content, and to grant rights to modify your content (eg deleting a post and the post record the deletion… Modifying your content to state <Deleted by mod> as one such example)
Most of my comment was a copy-paste from another comment against another user who does similar stuff. I’ve invested very little into this conversation. Much like you claim that copy pasting your url is a non-issue. I also don’t consider this very invested at all on my end, all of my knowledge is pre-obtained. Especially in consideration to the comparison of effort you must actually be going through to copy and paste something by hand hundreds of times.
Discussing it in a IANAL sort of way, no not at all.
But you’re stating facts that are not in evidence, in an authoritative matter, as is there’s no conclusive alternative in interpreting the legal situation. Which is why I keep asking you if you’re a lawyer or not.
Long press, select copy, switch to editor, long press, select paste.
I’m spending much more time arguing with people who really hate seeing it in a comment, than the actual act of including it in a comment.
And I wasn’t kidding about looking through your post history and seeing your anger towards others that wish to defend their privacy rights.
Assuming you’re not astroturfing, you really might want to consider taking a step back, for your own mental health. Trying to ‘win’ an Internet argument, when the law itself has not been conclusively decided on (court challenged), is not healthy. And its definitely not worth a single URL/link in a comment.
~Anti~ ~Commercial-AI~ ~license~ ~(CC~ ~BY-NC-SA~ ~4.0)~
Ownership of content on the internet has been debated for literally 40 years at this point… both in court and out of court. This is why ToS’ exist. It is a solved problem. Once again, the only thing that is novel is the federation factor here… but considering you must hand out distribution rights to your content to all the servers you interact with for federation to even work… and rights to modify your contents for the sake of moderation… You’ve already handed out more rights than your license claims.
LMFAO. The only thing you’d see recently is about cameras… On someone else’s property (in the hypothetical, my own property). There is no right to privacy in that case. You can’t defend a right you didn’t have. A persons right to their own property supersedes any right to privacy you believe you have. I’m actually a huge proponent of “privacy” in the sense of not giving away your content to others. Thus why I have 400TB of storage at home. I don’t rely on google or other mega-corps to store my content. Which is exactly why I run my own lemmy instance as such an example. I’m a huge proponent of privacy in that context, but by means of simply not giving away licenses to private things. Your and my right to privacy does not override someone else’s rights to their property. Which coincidentally includes the fact that your content is on my server which is my property under my control. Who owns your post? You do. However you published it to my platform, which grants me rights to that content regardless of what the content itself is and certainly not under your conditions without my consent.
Thank you!
But usually I’m pausing a video to try to read text that appeared too briefly in the video!
Not anymore, you don’t!
Wait you watch the video? I thought everyone just went there for the ads and emailed YouTube executives to please keep adding more
A fellow Marlboro Coors Lite Ford Chevy SUV pickup banking insurance sportsball enthusiast, I see
Same, I had to ad-block some custom elements on YouTube ages ago because they kept covering the screen with “related videos” whenever I paused to read something.
DF youtube addon is great for that and similar annoyances.
‘Drink verification can peasant’
Google
I’ve had this for about a week or 2. Super annoying because you can’t continue the video by pressing the play/pause button, need to “Ok” the video window. Come on Google, you just bricked a button on your OWN OS. Awful.
What OS are you on?
What Browser are you using?
Are you using any ad blockers?
They’re running Android (Google) TV
No browser, likely app based (hence the TV)
You could theoretically run a PiHole, but I don’t believe that works too well on YouTube anymore. Especially considering the tight integration Google utilizes for their ad services with their non-paid services.
Google TV can run the vastly superior Smarttube app, no ads, double the framerate, much better experience.
I think Google just sent out a memo to all apps pulling the YouTube API to start showing ads or they’d slow their services and potentially stop them.
Story
YouTube. Google. Alphabet.
FUCK. YOU.
As a 90s kid, which was the time when this insane brand focussing really took off: I’m sorry.
Out of all the advertising they could do, at least this is somewhat unobtrusive. If they had this instead of preroll ads, I’d actually be okay with it.
Depends how loud they are. I often pose to talk to someone in the room
I pause videos for 1 reason and 1 reason only and that's to speak to people IRL or online, because I can't concentrate on a conversation when there's background noise.
This is just another entry for the list of reason it's 1001% valid to use adblockers.
Urination did not meet the bar.
Nah, I just keep listening and in the rare case I feel like I may actually have missed something visually, I'll roll back time on the video.
If this is anything like their new Desktop UI, it is going to be awful…
Wait y’all still see ads on YouTube?
If I can’t block ads on a device, I’m not using YouTube on that particular device.
A major reason we only watch YouTube via a browser on a media center PC.
Normies genuinely turn on their Smart TV, watch start menu ads, open the YouTube app, wait 90 seconds for the shitty cpu to load the web view, scroll through hundreds of Spider-Man Elsa brainwashing videos and thinly disguised ads, open a video, watch 3 minutes of ads, straight into a 3 minute sponsor segment. All before seeing any actual content.
And they see no problem with this at all, the thought that you can make ads go away literally does not even occur to them as a possibility.
Humanity deserves extinction, I’m gonna go release some refrigerant real quick
I know people IRL who get offended whenever I mention that I just block ads. Shit’s insane.
How are you going to make any money then?
Answer: paywall their fucking site.
I'm paying for Internet access. If they don't block their site it's free game.
Ikr? I throw some money at creators I care about, but I’m not watching their stupid ads.
Stockholm syndrome is a very scary condition.
God this is so weird. “You have to watch and see ads to support content creators!” The fuck I do.
You can use SmartTube on Android TV, Yattee with this guide on iOS/iPadOS/tvOS or this app on webOS
What is webOS?
OS for LG TVs.
The shambling remnants of Palm, Inc.
The OS that runs on LG TVs
You can block ads on youtube on mobile devices by using firefox in desktop mode with ublock origin.
Fuck youtube. Fuck ads. Fuck useful idiots defending either.
Not Firefox on iPhone though
Apple users love having control taken away from them so I never factor them in when giving tech-related advice.
I was always an Android but broke down after the thousandth idiot friend told me I wouldn’t have problems if tried iPhone. Let’s be honest though. Android folks don’t have privacy or are tech savvy either. It’s the ones using graphineOS and the other stripped down android OSs that do
Or use revanced or an open source alternative.
You don’t need to be in desktop mode for ublock origin to work.
Hmm, they may have changed it or I could be misremembering.
Desktop mode also allows you to play a video while your screen is off which is good for listening to music.
I’m not sure I even own any devices that can’t block YouTube ads. You can do it on anything running android, including Android TV.
If they ever fight this and win, I’ll simply stop using YouTube altogether.
For real, the ads are freaking insane on there nowadays. I couldn’t handle it.
@empireOfLove2 I don't get it, how can they use the internet without an ad blocker? The first thing that I do is download Firefox + uBlock Origin on any device before of using it.
I honestly don’t know. far too many people are just conditioned or browbeaten into just dealing with the cancer of ads that the modern internet is. feels a lot like it’s a bit of a “frog in boiling water” situation where most people don’t even realize how bad it’s gotten over so many years.
I tend to have videos playing on a secondary screen all day long, only to pause them when I get a phonecall or need to talk to someone on Discord or real life.
This is just one more perfectly valid reason to install adblockers.
I can’t imagine the ROI is gonna be great… people pause shit when they leave their phones or TV. How do this miss something so basic?!
My spouse wfh and he has to pause the TV for phone calls all the time.
do google also provide all the data on clickthroughs thorough which the success of campaigns might be measured?
And i mean "Measured" by extremely dumb people whose best hope in life is probably to bullshit their way into becoming a director of sales and ma . . .
Doesn’t have to be great. It’s free ad space and if it makes more money than its development cost, it’s already a win.
Also it’s probably going to drive users to YT Premium.
This is great, because I usually pause videos because I want to watch ads.
"are you still watching?"
5,4,3,2,1 Auto-pause
"MONEY ME MONEY NOW.
ME A MONEY NEEDING A LOT NOW"
😆 Good description of how ads appear to me.
It could be better, because there are those big margins just showing blank screen, no ad.
Is this replacing annoying ads that interrupt your watching? If it’s just more then fuck off my ad blocker still works.
Narrator: “It was more.”
Shoutout to a fellow Jimmy watcher lol
Soon enough Google will be injecting ads in your dreams.
If you see something enough while awake, you’ll dream about it.
and your butthole...
take this verification dick, boy
I can’t wait til YouTube fucks around and finds out.
I got hobbies that are way more fun than ads.
I’m addicted to their shit because it provides a constant stream of dopamine. You fuck that up with ads, I will break the addiction. Seamlessly. It won’t even be difficult to do if going back kicks me in the balls with ads. I’m gone. My guitar is right here. My home server is right here. My GitHub profile could use some TLC. I got a long Todo list.
Do it. Go full enshitification.
I’m actually kind of excited for it.
This right here. Cut off the dopamine with overly aggressive ads and I’m out. If they ever get it so ad blockers aren’t effective then hopefully we’ll see it die off.
This was me with Reddit, my worst days were 8 hours a day. Now I spent 30 mins per day at most on Lemmy.
Yeah, my first reaction to seeing the API changes on Reddit was actually more of a glee/relief response than upset/disappointed. It meant that its grip on me was going to be over once those changes went through. I was worried the protests might get them to back down because I hated it there but always knew that the easy dopamine was just an app away.
Now I’m here though. I don’t hate it here, at least not yet, but I haven’t freed up the time like I was hoping to.
While I share your sentiment, they’ve got a backdoor for exactly that scenario: Youtube Premium. We are addicted to the algorithm and a lot of us are willing to pay good money for their stream of dopamine. Of course Google will eventually mess up there too, but it could easily give them another decade of intense money milking.
lol I’m not paying for shit.
Neither do I, but that’s hardly the point. The house of cards you’re describing is reinforced with concrete steel. Unless you’re a creator with a massive audience, Youtube does not need you.
That’s some Yahoo logic. Even giants stumble and fall.
I use it all the time but I definitely don’t use the “algorithm”.
I’d pay for a premium service if it meant that YouTube couldn’t profile me. I don’t really want to pay for it just so that they can reliably link financial data to the profile they build on me.
I pay for the family bundle for YT Music. The ad free YT is just a bonus.
I pay for it. It gets rid of the ads when I need a video of how to do XYZ thing. It lets me watch channels that I care about without interruptions. The main thing for me though is when a friend or family member sends me a YouTube video, I don’t have to watch ads.
It’s weird to me that folks are so hostile towards paying for things they use on the Internet. I mean, I get that venture capital fueled a seemingly endless “free lunch” of new services with small amounts of advertising… but it had to end at some point. It costs a lot of money to run a “YouTube.”
People are hostile towards it because Youtube generates enough revenue as is and becomes greedier by the day. People paying for it on top is only making things progressively worse. Free users will only get more and more ads shoved down their throat while premium users experience more and more price hikes. I‘m gonna keep blocking ads the traditional way for as long as I can because I do not see a fair alternative in the long run.
My comment wasn‘t about defending Youtube or anything. The truth is the service can become much worse and still be more profitable so that’s what Youtube is working towards like every other service. Enshittification is at full swing. Google makes more money while creators continue to lose revenue. Things are becoming worse. Just not exactly the way it was described in the previous comment.
This seems like some Black Mirror shit.
So youtube is now basically an advertisement channel with some user content in between.
Just like cable! \o/
Lol Google is going to die by their own hands
I don’t think they will because the competition is too incompetent. I give you two examples:
I’m a subscriber of Nebula, a paid streaming service where educational YouTubers get a better cut and users don’t get ads. Those creators almost always fail to promote their Nebula uploads. “Hey guys, new video.” And they link to YouTube only. Also they leave their Patreon shout-outs in which is not what I’m paying money for. YouTube with Sponsor Block just is the better experience at this point and I just keep paying for Nebula because I hope it’ll get better and I like its idea.
Second example: I try to watch live streaming on the websites of the broadcaster or so. And more often than not it’s a shit show: I can’t properly pause the streams because they don’t support time shifting and bitrate adjustments are also not as smooth as YouTube.
It’s 2024 and internet video is over two decades old at this point and yet almost nobody else manages to get their shit together. Companies like Netflix have good tech but their business is completely different, so those compete with YouTube at best tangentially.
No, but it’s what other people have paid for. Usually at the end of a video past it’s actual content, in what’s considered the “credits”, people who helped pay are tradiditionaly part of that.
If it’s elsewhere in the video that fucks with flow then yeah, that’s bad, but the normal process has been in place for longer than either of us has been alive
Which Sponsor Block skips. My point is that the viewing experience is currently better on YouTube despite the enshittification because the competition is worse. The least would be to support chapter marks but this is one area this specific competitor also lacks and no Sponsor Block alternative for Nebula exists. For much shit on YouTube there are workaround like Sponsor Block. For shit on other platforms these don’t exist.
I’ll agree that competition is not as robust.
However, it will be interesting to see how many “non-techy” people discover how easy it is to find content for free without ads.
The competition for youtube is peertube, not another centralized platform.
It just needs content.
I gave two examples. I was not making a statement in favor of centralized platforms.
Also PeerTube tech is leagues behind YouTube tech.
So replace “Nebula” in my first example with “PeerTube”. Works just the same when video creators post to both and just keep promoting the YouTube one.
What? Nebula is a paid streaming service. It’s also centralized. Peertube is free and decentalized.
They are not the same which is why Peertube is a legitimate successor to youtube and nebula is not.
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Unfortunately, the free, decentralized nature of PeerTube actually makes it more difficult to be a legitimate YouTube successor. The main reason: monetization. Most of the big creators people watch on YouTube don’t just do their videos as a hobby, it’s a job where they make their living. Some of the biggest will make enough in stream donations or Patron pledges to not have to worry about ads or sponsorships, but there’s a huge “middle class” of content creators, you could call it, who live video ad check to video ad check with Patreon or stream donations being supplemental to the ad revenue. Drop that ad money, and those creators will have to either figure out how to quickly multiply their income from other sources or there would be an extremely sharp drop in both quantity and quality of videos. Expect a ton of much-beloved channels to die in the process. To be any sort of competitor at all while retaining its free, decentralized nature, you would need to have many, many times more instances than exist now, with a large percentage of them run by entities with enough resources to pay for both server costs of hosting and distributing large amounts of content and the cost to pay and support the creators on those instances who previously lived mainly on ad revenue or who want to monetize themselves on the platform. Centralized platforms for video take away many of these issues, or make them a ton easier to handle. They allow for easily setting up a subscription based service such as Nebula that the creators know they will be able to at least count on being steady. It may or may not be a lot, but it’s something guaranteed without the creators themselves also having to worry about paying out in server costs, which is still more in income than PeerTube can offer. What would a creator prefer, some guaranteed income with only their video production costs as overhead, or no guarantee of income while bearing both production and hosting costs?
EDIT: updated “FreeTube” to “PeerTube”. I absolutely recommend FreeTube, great YouTube client. PeerTube has some potential, but it will never properly compete with YouTube for the reasons I list above. In one word, money.
Do you mean PeerTube?
FreeTube seems to be an open-source client for YouTube.
Yeah, thanks for the catch. That is what I mean. FreeTube is great, I use it on my PC.
The only company that can compete with YouTube is pornhub. People have been begging on their hands and knees for them to enter the hard space. It’s fertile territory, with lots of the kinks worked out. I really hope they spank YouTube in the nuts and give it a go.
😏
I see you caught the one sex reference in their comment
I mean, there’s about 3 to 4 depending on your interpretation.
And no, I don’t appreciate the cursed knowledge of sexual puns on my part, but you know, furries, am I right?
They’ve already been doing very similar stuff on iOS for years. Like when I adjust the audio in the middle of a video, pause briefly and want to continue or literally just pick up my phone from the table, an ad break starts. Just when the app knows your attention is on the phone, they shove it into your face. Now they will just play ads before you tap continue, not after.
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Tomorrow YouTube is introducing ads when you think about YouTube.
Next week: Youtube has removed all videos. You will now watch ads only. It’s really no different than what you’re doing now.
Will the ads have ads though?
It’s ads all the way down
Only when you pause the ad.
Recursion!
ADCEPTION
Hypothetical
If somebody like Raymond Hill (Ublock Origin dev) were forced to run YouTube profitably, what might he do to try to run it so it sucks less but still makes a little bit of money? Or even breaks even?
Could also ask what if the Wikimedia Foundation had to run it, you know like under penalty of imprisonment - take somebody good/anti-corporate, force them to run the business w/o any other option - what’s the best option for The People w/o losing money?
(Donate buttons eervrywhere?)
For starters, cull the immense amount of duplicated content. Look for some random common word and sort by recent, you’ll see thousands of channels from India, Pakistan and similar nations reposting the exact same videos. There’s also an ungodly amount of spam. These two things alone would, I’d guess, cut down a good chunk of server costs. Another thing is optimizing bitrate, I often get served “1080p” content featuring little more than a static image while browsing in my 6" phone.
Good calls.
I think they’re going hard on the video quality front. Huge channels post videos that are “1080p Premium Bitrate” at max for premium subscribers. Feel like they used to post 4K.
4k and high bitrate 1080p are actually the same thing.
🤯🤯🤯
How did marketing let engineering NOT name it 4k?!? I’m pretty serious actually
It’s complicated. Essentially, YT spends 24 hours a day trying to dodge the fallout of stupid decisions taken during the previous 24 hours, ad infinitum. They were bashed for certain decisions related to 4k video (which used to be called 4k, then changed to 2160p, then back to 4k, then back to 2160p), leading to the current name scheme.
Nice. :D
Bet
Man I hate this ad-fueled internet dystopia.
I vow never to buy anything advertised to me in such intrusive way…
Good luck. Ads are more and more targeted and they do enter your subconscious. Ads are extraordinarily effective, hence the massive hundreds of billions of dollars ad industry. Better off figuring out how to avoid them than just trying to resist their messages.
Eh, it depends on your lifestyle and age. I’m a minimalist and I know exactly what I like and need. An ad isn’t going to convince me to buy anything.
So many things are ads now. Most ‘reviews’ and ‘news’ are ads, even when they’re not payed directly their pushed by algorithms that favour those advertising. Even if you avoid them most people you interact with aren’t.
You’ll never see their effect if you truly believe your impervious to them.
That’s what you think. But it stays in your subconscious and whenever you may need something related to that ad your brain might remember it and influence your actions. You’re only truly immune to ads if you completely avoid them, which is impossible in modern society, you’re constantly being subconsciously influenced by them whether you like it or not.
I don’t believe I’m immune to advertising but I don’t think advertisers are willing to admit that it’s just as easy to create negative brand associations as positive brand associations. when the only exposure you have to a product is frustrating and irritating and offensive, these feelings can bleed over when you see them on a shelf later.
after many years of trying to ignore advertising and pretending I’m not influenced by it, I’ve admitted I am, just like everyone else. so instead of resisting the effects, I try to turn the feeling of brand familiarity into a warning sign: if I’m drawn by familiarity to a particular product, I question why before I buy. if the answer isn’t “a friend or i have used it and found it valuable/good”, then i remind myself that it’s not good enough on its own. they have to try and trick me into liking it, so it can’t be that good. if it were good, they wouldn’t have to drop dump trucks of cash into an ad agency to try and trick people into buying it. an ad for a thing means the thing is shit.
I feel like this same subtlety is also what makes it really hard to meaningfully track if an ad is actually effective or not. How do they know if you bought it cause ads or cause you would have anyway? Sometimes I wonder if ads arent way way less effective than companies think they are
Since you have special immunity to the ads anyway I recommend looking up some videos on YouTube about how effective they really are and that it doesn’t depend on lifestyle or age especially since those are key factors targeted ads are calculating. If you think the advertisers are just going to fizzle out and this is a failed experiment because you can sit there and watch ads and not instantly throw your money at them, I assure you that’s not the case.
Uh, idk about you but I have never bought a single thing shoved down my throat by youtube.
same. an ad for a thing means the thing is shit. they have to try and trick you to get it instead of letting its quality organically speak for itself.
when things are actually good, you don’t need an ad agency to tell you.
Bc screw the users and their reactions 😄.
We really need a good YouTube competitor. This is beyond ridiculous at this point.
That’s definitely something I want to see when I pause YouTube to take a phone call or whatever.
Also, The new ball-bearing guillotine is getting rave reviews from guillotine operators!
For all you know the victims rate it positively as well but they don’t submit feedback
Well, some do.
Bonus clip of Lisa trying to grow a penis.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
Well, some do.
Lisa trying to grow a penis
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
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Google has great customer service, your just not the customer.
Will we have two of them, Odysee & Rumble.
Both seem/are single point of failure choices. I like a fediverse YouTube alternative.
Good luck getting a lot of people with a absolute shit ton of spare bandwidth and storage space
Well here we are sharing textual communication on fedi. It’s only a slight stretch. Like maybe I will share space by “liking” a video. Or maybe you have to explicitly click a “serve” or “seed” button. It’s not pie in the sky and it would eliminate all ads and other shit videos…you like a video ? Ok share it or download it if you want.
Text takes less storage space and bandwidth then videos.
Okay 👍
Just to add, image hosting for lemmy servers is also an issue already. Afaik they aren’t federated because even the occasional image will significantly increase the amount of storage required on instances.
There are some reasonably priced and free PeerTube servers for hosting content.
Peertube is an attempt at solving this.
You make content you’ve watched available to others wanting to watch it.
The basic idea being that everyone provides a similar amount of upstream bandwidth as the amount they consume.
Ofc content creators and some servers will provide a lot more to cover any shortfall.
Two issues:
Most people have asymmetric connections, can download faster than upload.
It’s cheaper to provide bandwidth to a datacenter connected to the backbone than it is to someone’s house.
Like, from a purely-financial standpoint, if one wants to pay for access with bandwidth and storage, it’d make more sense to have a structure where people somehow contribute to running PeerTube instances in datacenters, as you get more bang for your buck.
It’s been tried, somewhat.
BitTorrent uses tit-for-tat high-priority bandwidth resource provision. Some BitTorrent trackers have (or had; I haven’t looked recently) a longer-lived, albeit crude, credit system for maintaining ratios.
Mojo Nation, which is what Bram Cohen did before BitTorrent, had a longer-lived credit-tracking system.
But the larger problem there is that they were basically exploiting a quirk in ISP billing. ISPs normally have flat-rate billing – you can use as much bandwidth as you want, and only pay a flat rate. ISPs just average out costs across users. Light users subsidize heavier users. But…that creates a misincentive for people to figure out how to monetize, even if it’s very inefficient, their bandwidth, and saturate it constantly, which basically makes light users pay for things above-and-beyond the heavy users’ regular bandwidth. It’s economically inefficient, leans on the fact that the billing system has that subsidy built into it. Like, it’s not the system that you’d want if everyone were doing it, as you’d want to have content in datacenters, one way or another.
I do kind of wonder how practical it would be for it to be the norm for people to have some kind of VPS of their own. That’d let them do some things that aren’t really economical or practical today, and provide some more-privacy-friendly options for one person to provide services (well, privacy-friendly as long as you trust your VPS provider).
Odysee is blockchain-based. So there’s that.
Yes, that’s not the same.
I know.
Meh. Blockchain just has such a stink to it these days.
Odysee uses the LBRY network which is a decentralised content hosting network, which is pretty great really.
LBRY happens to use blockchain tech but lets not talk about that.
That’s PeerTube.
Yup.
That’s PeerTube. The problem is that hosting video is a lot more expensive than hosting text, so finding the funds to pay for hosting is a lot harder than with Mastodon or the Threadiverse.
Also, some content creators on YouTube are there because they want to be paid by YouTube.
YouTube makes you watch ads as part of the “come up with the funds” solution.
Which is why there aren’t any effective competitors to youtube.
Several have tried to directly compete, and they ran out of money.
In addition to the costs of the infrastructure, there are other issues.
In order to get to the scale where youtube would even care, you would need to have a lot of content that viewers want to watch. And to attract enough good video creators to post exclusively on your platform, you need a way for them to earn some money from their effort.
Yes, Odysee and Vimeo exist, but they’re pretty niche, and each has major limitations.
Odysee has a tiny audience, and they “pay” in their own crypto, which is very hard to convert into actual money that you can buy food with.
And Vimeo has some odd rules about what they want on their site. And creators have to pay to upload at any useful scale. Plus their search and suggestion system is almost useless.
It might be possible to compete in an area where YouTube (presently) has content restrictions. I assume that YouTube doesn’t allow outright porn, and that that’s how PornTube and friends can exist.
Dangerous business to enter, though, because if one day YouTube decides to enter the market (or decides to create a differently-branded service that shares infrastructure) that does do porn, I assume that that’s gonna put those smaller competitors in danger of getting wiped out. An investor in such a venture is at risk of losing their investment then.
Those content restrictions aren’t because youtube itself has any moral objections, it’s a combination of what the law allows (see COPA related fines changing content rules) and what (most) big budget advertisers are willing to appear beside.
The previous "adpocalypse"s have shaped a large portion of youtube’s content policies.
Any other platform hoping to take market share from youtube will have to deal with the same pressures if they expect to pay their bills once the VC money runs out.
Never heard of rumble. Looks interesting
I don’t know anything about Odysee, but Rumble is a shithole.
Why?
I’ve not really used it except for the SLS because it’s streamed exclusively there. No major issues except one time long videos (sls streams can last 6 hours) would take a lifetime to load.
Use Youtube frontends. Like Freetube & NewPipe. All of Youtube’s BS will disappear.
EDIT: Here is Privacy Guides’ page about Youtube frontends.
It’s not really a long-run solution. It just transfers the costs of paying for the content to the people who continue to view the ads, and in the long run, if enough people do it for clamping down to be financially worthwhile, Alphabet can clamp down. Hell, they did a bit already when they throttled
youtube-dl. Haven’t gone afteryt-dlp’s parallel-streams workaround yet, but if that has enough users, it’s an inevitability.Its unbelivable that I have to use 4 addons just to experience YouTube properly, now because of this shit feature we’ll probaly be getting another one. I try using YouTube alternatives like invidio.us or piped.video but half the time the content just doesn’t load and its frustrating.
LOL I already blocked YouTube and I forgot how to undo that on purpose!
Paramount+ has been doing this. I hate it.
So… like Pornhub has done for years now?
It’s impressive how still companies can do eatever they want with the content made by users. I mean YT is a massive human archive and it made billions not doing a single content and shitting on it as they please
They’re solving a couple of problems.
Content creators don’t want to pay to host video, but want to be able to reach many people. Video hosting is bandwidth- and storage-heavy in comparison to most forms of content. Someone’s gotta pay for it.
Some content creators want to be paid.
Many content viewers aren’t willing to pay directly for video, but are willing to watch ads. That one’s been around for a long time, with ad-supported TV and radio.
If you make a competitor that can solve those problems, it can compete with YouTube.
I’m not sure how this would work long term or if it would be any less annoying, but right now some content creators have ads within their content, like not YouTube ads but them just verbally promoting it. This could occur on peertube and is an option to still have a funding steam. It also allows creators to only have ads for things they are willing to support on their content. But it’s also harder to skip and a bit annoying as a viewer so not sure if this has long term potential
I think eventually, some people will be OK with paying 5 dollars per month for a YouTube competitor that is better than the original. Much like Kagi is doing for search engines. It won’t be for the majority since they still expect free stuff and no ads, which doesn’t work.
The service I get from YouTube is definitely worth what they’re charging for YouTube Premium to me. I’d pay that today, given a lack of other options, but they aren’t selling what I want, which is privacy. I don’t want to pay them money and then just have them be able to link my financial data to whatever profile they’re building based on me. I mean, I won’t even use a YouTube account now. My Android phone isn’t linked to a Google account. I don’t particularly want paying for video service to take me down that route.
If they sold service that had a no-log, no-data-mining policy and I had some way to reasonably-reliably be sure that they aren’t gonna change that underfoot, I’d go for it.
That being said, I’d imagine that privacy probably isn’t what motivates the typical person who might pay them for service, so I don’t know if there’s enough of a market for them to offer something like that.
At the very least, it’d expose what the data-mining they’re doing on someone is worth to the world, which might be considered a trade secret for a number of companies.
Sigh. Yeah it’s not like I ever pause to look at a graph or something (/s). I already hate it on Chromecast because pausing brings up a big blur bar on a third of the screen.
yes, please, just become worse
Can we have a YouTube competitor? Pretty please? 🥺
I tried Odysee out for a little while but TBH there are too many Crypto-bros and White Supremacist Insurrectionists for my tastes. You can’t even stream or post large videos without investing in their crypto.
I hope we get something better than that, soon.
{{Citation needed}}
He doesn’t need a citation for that, anyone can spend a few minutes on there and see.
So it’s not that hard to get some proof. So we know you’re/they’re not bullshitting us.
I’m sorry. I should just listen and believe. /s
There are shitty people on YouTube too, why hate on a platform just because shitty people use either one of them? Beats giving money to YouTube, we have to start somewhere to decentralize more.
Check out PeerTube, which is on the Fediverse. Content can be followed and broadcast to Mastodon and others.
Playeur exists. You just gotta convince your favorite YouTubers to switch and/or cross post. They apparently have tools that make migrating pretty easy. A few of my favorite ones are on there, but most aren’t.
Support PeerTube. It’s needing content, and it’s a little janky, but it’s federated.
I should start submitting videos there
A neat programming project would be to migrate YouTube videos to PeerTube for content creators. If a YouTuber decides to put their videos on PeerTube as well, it should be as easy as possible.
odysee.com – this one is also worth checking out, Louis Rossmann even posts there.
I found Big Clive is posting here. I’m sold, he is the only reason I use YT, so now I can cut that fucking shit off at the neck.
odysee.com
And I am going to check out peertube as well.
The benefit of PeerTube is that it federates, so content can be followed and broadcasted to the Fediverse.
Sweet, do you have any links on how to set that up? My next goal is to set up my own lemmy.<mydomain> instance up so I can pull various things for my own aggregation. Last I tried, I had errors after the Rust compiling steps, need to try it agian.
Does it federate with the Fediverse? That’s the point I was trying to make with PeerTube.
Yes! Please do!
Looks at pic in post…
…has some questions…
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Shit like this is why they stopped making new Black Mirror episodes
It was supposed to be a warning, not a manual.
I still get chills thinking about that guy who gets blocked from communicating with ANYONE AT ALL EVER! Especially as companies like Reddit go ban-happy on a power trip and Youtube destroys channels with bullshit content strikes.
Soon testing new version that shows some of your video when you are allowed to pause your ad.
You earn credits by watching ads, which you can then spend to watch what you want.
🤔 maybe we can have you pedal a bike while you watch to earn more credits? We’ll sell it as some health thing.
So they’ll stop injecting ads in the middle of videos at the worst possible times right?
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So they’ll stop injecting ads… Right?
RIGHT ?
Well to be fair this only affects users that are not blocking ads in the first place.
Is it even possible anymore [on mobile]?
E: mobile centric YouTube user.
Adblockers work just like they always have. Nothing has changed. Mobile apps are a different story but you couldn’t ever block ads in the native app anyway.
Yeah, I forgot I basically only use YouTube on mobile or Chromecast.
uBlock Origin on Firefox certainly works. There was a short period of about 5 days (a couple of months ago) where they were blocking playback with uBlock enabled, but it didn’t last long.
Oh true, I forget I am on mobile usually for YouTube.
On Android the same combo of Firefox / uBlock works quite well, but of course the experience isn’t quite the same as it is in the app.
DRINK VERIFICATION CAN
Enshitification
If this comes on top of the current ad-load then it is enshitification. If it replaces mid- or pre-roll ads it might make youtube somewhat usable again, even without adblocking.
Pause a video to answer a phone call or reply to a text or look up some information? Here’s an ad at full volume! Seems legit. Sure. Do it. What could go wrong.
According to the example, it just shoves your video to the side and shows a static ad, not a video. If it played a video with audio that would be fucked. If it’s just silent stuff, honestly not even that intrusive or crazy imo. Smart TV boxes have been doing similar shit for a while, right?
Also, at least with YouTube you can pay to avoid it, if you’d like.
Lol. You’re getting downvoted for actually reading the original post
Not as far as I can see.
Was at -5 when I commented
That explains that then. I made my comment before bed and didn’t see the replies til the next morning.
I don’t know my smart TV hasn’t been hooked up to the Internet and my streaming stick doesn’t show me those kinds of ads. I do pay to avoid it. I have youtube premium. In fact I was grandfathered into the $7.99 rate from having Google play music back in the day and my rates only just increased. The point I was trying to make is that this isn’t going to just stay as the static ad. It will absolutely change with time because Google’s losing money on the ad revenue business (it’s just not as lucrative as they need it to be to keep investors happy). The static ads probably will go to full blown video ads at some point (and extensions will counter that by muting tabs and auto stopping playing popup videos until the end user clicks the play button etc because people will try to get around this). This is just the newest progression in a long line of progressions of terrible ad implementation.
I don’t want billboards in my living room though. It’s reasonable to not want billboards in your living room.
Get out of here with your facts. We want to make shit up and then get enraged at the shit we just made up!
I used their app on my TV the other day two adds before the video started/intro/ad/channels promo/bit of content/ad/ self promotion. Mad how much people will put up with.
The mad part is based on a comparison of my grandpa’s cable and unpaid YouTube, unpaid YouTube is still less loaded up with ads.
Ah, taking inspiration from what porn sites have been doing for decades to trick you into clicking on ads. Nice work, Google.
Did you even look at the photo in the OP?
I’m very mad that a big corporation has become greedy. Very mad.
To be fair, if they are like the example (static silent ads) they would be the least intrusive ads that YouTube ever had. To the point that I don’t even mind them. All of YouTube ads should be like this, not annoying, silent, and easily ignored.
If they switched over to this method instead of the current I would argue an adblocker wouldn’t even improve the experience, the problem is that it interrupts my actual content in the middle of the video.
But for people using YouTube to follow textile patterns, photoshop tutorials, repairs, etc. needing to pause frequently while still seeing the full screen is a big deal 😬
I use Ublock Origin and Firefox/DDG’s “view here”, so I think I’m safe…
Edit: Also, Google is greedy af, so it’s def cumulative with existing ads; the article doesn’t say otherwise.
The screenshot does have a “dismiss” button, so I suppose if you click there you’ll still be able to see the fullscreen video.
But yeah, those are definitely cumulative with existing ads, knowing the greedy fucks.
YouTube is unwatchable for me with all these ads. Even without ads, content creators mostly all follow the same generic bullshit format.
It used to be a great resource for visual aids and explanations, now it’s filled with money making schemes and scams and every video has 14 minutes of bullshit and 1 minute of content.
15 minutes videos of some over excited guy overlayed on or overlayed by lots of cutesy/flashy/cartoony pics, interspected by irrelevant/low-brow-humour “I’m so cool” video segments, padded with tons of fluffy talk and with every silly post-production effect conceivable, to make a point that could have been made in 2 minutes.
I barelly every watch Youtube nowadays, especially if I’m looking to actually learn something or for the solution for a specific problem.
Yeah all that stuff.
Everyone is a celebrity.
I watch a lot of YouTube, but not without udblock and Sponsorblock. It’s just not enjoyable otherwise. Whenever they do something that makes my stuff not work for like 2 days I just watch something on my home server.
They already do that on my TV. Except it’s after I press play and when it’s been paused for like a minute or more, or something.
But this is a whole new level of making it shittier. Like, I want to pause so I can hear something else, or something needs my attention, and there’s an ad playing? This can’t become a reality. Can’t.
I mean I already rock the best ad blocker so it’s whatever to me on desktop, but on my TV? I’m gonna have to get a pi-hole.
Pi-holes don’t even work on YouTube ads though because they’re served from the same domain as the videos. Can’t block YT ads that way without blocking the content.
reddit.com/…/tool_allinone_tool_for_windows_andro…
Apparently Android TV Tools can help with this to install an alternative YT app if you have an Android TV, but I haven’t tried it.
Shit.
And I don’t have Android TV either, I have Web OS (LG TV).
Google. Putting the i in Ads.
An add-on that simply overlays a black box when you pause is easy enough.
Won’t you please consider how this might make the advertisers feel? They might get very upset…/s
What about the shareholders? How will this effect them?
*affect
Ackchshually
I pause videos to read what’s on screen.
The add on I need is to automatically send the advertiser a message telling them I’m boycotting their product due to their participation in increasingly shitty advertising.
I’m sure the advertisers will be terrified of those automated messages.
An add-on that screenshots on pause would fix this. But yes, I understand the use-case as I do the same. Google doesn’t give a damn (about users).
Who are all these that these ads are working on?
Google, it makes them money. Marketing departments, because they need to justify their existence.
Think about how many people were revealed to be idiots during COVID… i would wager they work on most of those people, and maybe some others.
Everyone (except you, obviously, you are unique and immune to them).
My Roku is doing this and has been doing this for quite some time.
Of all the ad delivery schemes cooked up over the past ten years, this one is the least offensive to me.
Like I’ll come back from the bathroom or whatever, and all that registers before I hit play is that some random graphic is covering the screen while on pause. I cannot name a single thing that’s been in any of those ads.
In general, I do wonder how effective this constant onslaught of marketing is. At some point there have got to be diminishing returns, right?
I agree. But at the same time, if I pause something, I want it to pause and I want the noise to stop.
I think these are image based static ads, not video ads
For now
In this comment, old man yells at cloud:
When the phone rings, I need to be able to press one button to pause my video and stop the sound. Not two. I still have to hunt for my phone (assuming they are different devices) and find the right button on that thing, since I now have five different phones in my house and they all accept calls differently (unless I program them, and since they belong to people who aren’t me, I don’t get to). I’m turning into a goddamn luddite and I love technology, I just am running out of attention span.
Roku is a terrible product. It’s cheap, and they have full control over every part of it and aren’t afraid to exploit it to users’ detriment. Like the recent user agreement changes that bricked TVs until you agreed.
Yes, yes. I’m sure I’ve got several things in my home that are terrible. I’ve cut off streaming and Amazon, have never owned a gaming console or gaming PC, quit reddit, quit Facebook, never had Twitter, Instagram, Tok Tok, used wish, etc. I do not use cash transfer apps. Neither my appliances nor my HVAC connect to the Internet.
But I can’t become a complete Luddite overnight. It’s a series of steps. So until this Roku that I bought about six or seven years ago craps the bed, I will continue using it, mostly with antenna broadcast local stations, but also with some of the free streaming sites like Tubi.
If you would like to come audit the entirety of my existence and personally fund immediate replacement of everything I have that is evil or offensive, I invite your benevolence.
Otherwise, let a guy use an illustrative example while engaging in casual Internet conversation in peace.
How dare you be pragmatic! We demand that you bend to our arbitrary standards at once!
You could try a shield instead. It doesn’t push ads that way.
If you ever have to switch, I can vouch for Kodi. I’m using it with the plugins for YouTube, national TV, Arte and my own local media storage. The downside is that those plugins aren’t officially supported tho
And that’s why my tv doesn’t get the wifi password. I have an external Roku and I barely use it. My TV is connected to my PC and that’s why I don’t see ads on Amazon or tubi
We’re in the era of diminishing returns. There’s so little left to squeeze out of the working class that every extra dollar they want costs more than the last one. They’re running out of options on how to convince us to let go of those dollars.
This is what I keep saying, and it is a question that bothers me and riles me up far more than it ever should. Like I and all of my friends and family have just learned to auto tune out ads at this point. We are so constantly drowned in ads everyday that now my brain just automatically filters them out as background noise. The few times one does slip through I completely forget about it 10 seconds later as it is lost in the whirlwind of fast paced chaotic life where I can’t even remember if I ate breakfast that morning. Either that or it slips through because it is obnoxiously intrusive, in which case that product and company go on my shit list.
The only time an ad still works on me is if I am specifically looking for a product. In which case I still tune out 90% of targeted ads cause I know most of them are fake scams anyways. The other 10% I check user reviews from actual people to narrow down what I want.
I’m trained to distrust any ads now and even other posts about products online because everything online is either fake or a scam or both. Or the ads are for big brands that I already know exist and I know not to trust they’re ads as well because they are so constantly in my face. Like I really don’t need an ad to remind me that [major corporation brand] still exists, and I sure as shit ain’t gonna have whatever stupid thing they suggest be my first option.
How tf are ads supposed to work when we are so desensitized to them?
Enshittification 🎶
The enshittification will continue until we reach infinite profit.
Laughs in UBlock Origin
Also SmartTube
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There are ways to completely neutralize ublock power: put ads on the same server, as content + randomise div identificators
UPD: by the downvotes I conclude people think I’m from the advertising industry.
I’m not. I know these methods, because I have been struggling with counteracting such ads.
Yeah, they could put the ads in the same stream but it would be too costly or inflexible. Ads have to be targeted to the specific market or even user so that would kill their advantage and turn them into generic TV ads.
Yandex did that in their products. It’s doable.
If you don’t have to reencode but only concatenate the streams it can be done for your request specifically because it’s not meaningfully more expensive than just serving the content
What stops you with skipping past this part of the stream? It would be more effective on livestreams, not videos. Anyway eventually people will get so pissed and every popular video could go through a server first and remove ads part via AI. There is no end to adblock war
The position and length can be randomized, for sure you can throw ai at it… but ai is stupidly expensive… companies that offer AI systems are all operating that business at loss… and no big company would engage in something like this… distilled model on client? Sure… but who trains it? My point is… things can get worse and worse
Revanced :)
Laughs in… Supporting creators by supporting them in other ways than watching ads on their videos, right? Right???
Yes, such as Patreon. Less hassle with more substance.
Sweet, for sure, I have no issue with that.
The people complaining about ads who don’t support creators in other ways is what bothers me.
I don’t know man, I loved YouTube back in the days when people made videos for shits and giggles. No one expected money from that.
You can play ads on my tombstone, quite literally over my dead body.
Don’t give them any ideas. Please.
I accept your offer.
It’s the only way you’ll afford one
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Damn. YouTube is just SO desperate to squeeze every bit of ad revenue they can, wherever they can.
Capitalism in a nutshell
Remember when YouTube wasn’t riddled with pests? I remember… It was a pleasant experience.
When it was hemorrhaging money?
We’re in a weird time where all the tech companies are being told at once that they need to start being profitable, and at the same time the EU is cracking down on lots of the shady shit they’ve been using to control the bleeding to this point.
The internet has spent the last 20 years developing an economic model that’s quickly becoming unsustainable, and none of the big web companies seem to have been prepared.
I don’t see it that way. YouTube has been slowly monetizing and is quite profitable at this point. Same with Facebook, and many other companies where “you are the product”. Advertising is a very profitable business.
Ads are a way for corporations to steal your life from you, 60 seconds at a time.
It’s also a way to pay for providing a service. We hate it, but short of everyone paying for YouTube, it’s how they make their money.
Now double dipping is where things get questionable. If you pay for a video service AND they run ads. /Ripley flaming eggsacs
It would be the last straw for me as a premium subscriber. Many of the channels i subscribe are putting their better content on nebula anyway.
I feel like that’s where it’s headed. Doesn’t matter what we’re talking about. A shining exception is private company Valve, which has proven time and again that it’s a model for how to treat customers.
Yes, but that doesn’t excuse trying to force an infinite number of ads on people.
Podcasts are supported through ads and you don’t see people complaining about it, programs to block them, and Podcasts trying to subvert ad blockers. Why? Because they have a reasonable number of ads, with clear ad breaks, that are indistinguishable code wise from the rest of the podcast so you can fast forward through them. Oh, and when I turn it off it doesn’t keep paying audio at me.
This is like a service charging 10x as much and you defending it saying “you have to pay for the service somehow.” Yes, there’s paying for the service, and then there’s the service being greedy and milking every last bit of money they can out of it.
YouTube made $31.5 billion in ad revenue last year, and they’re still demanding more. Will these “pause ads” reduce the number of other ads users see? Will it help find other improvements of the service? Or is this just an attempt to keep building infinite growth in a finite system?
At this point I would be thrilled if YouTube went out of business because too many people were using ad blockers.
Bandwidth is expensive.
I hear this, but I’d like some stats, particularly considering I’m already paying for my bandwidth.
YouTube (and every datacenter user) needs to pay per GB sent to the internet. And it gets quite expensive, like 5 cents a GB. For small users it’s more like 10 cents per GB, but YouTube is a pretty big one so it’s gonna be less. That’s like one hour of 720p content.
I for one, watch like 3 hours a day, at least one hour of that is 4k on the TV. So I cost YouTube like 20 cents per day let’s say, 6 bucks a month, 72 bucks a year.
Not counting power, ac, storage, compute for compression, redundancy, staff, etc.
And for $130 a year you could get it ad free! Only an 80% mark up!
I already get it ad free. I have a premium family plan, works out to about 5 euros per person for our 4 person family. Per month.
As I mentioned, this is just bandwidth. Add servers, storage, power, real estate, staff… And then give like 55% or whatever to the creators. The 80% markup is way off for myself, youtube might actually be losing money on my outlier case. My kids and wife are probably much more profitable.
For context going to the movies is almost 20 euros per person just for the ticket, for 1 hour and a half of entertainment. Not including snacks, drinks, gas, parking… I wonder if people here also sneak into the movies because they are annoyed at the cashier.
The movie theater provides the screen, seating, AC, and Sound system. Not to mention that the movie theater does not stop the movie multiple times in the middle of a sentence to play an ad. People do sneak into movies, and strangely the theaters don’t seem to be going out of business because of it.
I have no problem with ads. I listen to podcasts with ads all the time. I have an issue with how YouTube does their ads (and that it never seems to be enough). If YouTube wanted to it would be trivial to avoid ad blockers by making the ad indistinguishable from the rest of the stream: Comes from the same source, and does not modify the user’s control of the page. But to do that YouTube would need to vet and be responsible for the ads they show (can’t have that) and users wouldn’t be forced to sit through an ad they aren’t interested in (can’t have that).
An ad before the video starts that is skippable after 5s is fine. But it’s never enough, and Advertisers will always push further until people get sick of it and get an AdBlocker. This falls firmly into the territory of “Piracy is a service problem”: They make the site shittier and shittier and there is an easy and free alternative to make the site significantly better. And you want me to feel bad for the poor Billion dollar company that is actively making its service worse to try to wring more money out of it?
Oh, they don’t play ads in the 1h30min that I pay 100 bucks for?? Actually they do, a whole half an hour of them, before the movie.
PS; do you think an advertiser would pay 20 cents for a 5s of ad? If the creator takes half, and Youtube has more costs than bandwidth, it’s the price it would take to have one ad per video. That’s multiple times more expensive than a super bowl ad.
Google does not make a lot of information available on their operating costs, but from what I was able to find it looks like people are estimating Google spent over $2 billion for servers and bandwidth in 2018 for its network services including YouTube.
YouTube generated $31.5 billion in ad revenue in 2023.
YouTube is covering it’s costs just fine and doesn’t need to force more ads on everyone in order to turn a profit.
Alphabet has a profit margin of 25% and most of it is adsense, so I can guarantee that YouTube does not have a 93% profit margin.
First, the revenue is split and more than half goes to the creator. Plus you have other costs than bandwidth and servers, which I listed above.
Mind linking a source for the 2B? Seems low, I’d love to see how much they pay per GB.
I can skip through podcast ads with ease.
Yup, and somehow Podcasts still manage to be successful.
Yet for some reason people expect me to believe YouTube will go out of business if the ad doesn’t force me to stand up in front of my webcam and say “McDonald’s” before the video resumes.
Just saying people don’t complain about ads in podcasts because they’re skippable.
They are a way of stealing your thoughts and your happiness. Ads are mental abuse. Always block them.
iOS app is pure garbage. Before adding more ad functionality, how about fixing those annoying swipe gesture bugs first? After a double ad, it is impossible for me to exit full screen by swiping down. Also, auto zoom to fill screen works only with 85% of videos, why is that?
Crying in YTPremium
Ok this is actually a disgusting idea!
Really? IMHO it’s only a problem if the ads are videos, particularly if they have sound.
What if I paused a video to be able to read something from the paused frame and it’s all covered by an ad?
There is an image in this thread with a smaller screen and a ad onb the side.
But overlaid ads are bad. Daily motion?
I just saw the image and it makes the actual paused video smaller (thus making it harder to read small text and see details in the paused frame). Also, ads are immersion breaking.
Yeah. Could be a problem.
Well, so is pausing a video
Pausing a video and seeing the frame you paused at is way less immersion breaking and context switchy then seeing an ad for a random thing that has no relation to the video.
Oh noes, another ad I don’t see because of ublock! <img alt="Trollface" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/6c852190-b6f7-4f62-8c79-0b0703dafb9a.png">
Hadn’t they blocked the ad blockers?
They tried but they’re losing.
ublock blocked their ad block blockers.
ublock origin users barely noticed. you just have to update filters every now and then.
And if you have the knowledge or savvy to use a network wide solution like pihole, I haven’t seen an ad in over a year. It’s not a perfect solution cuz I haven’t figured out how to filter ads on Mobile. But I’ve accepted that I just watch YouTube on my laptop or desktop.
You can use Revanced for example. Alphabet is trying to fuck that up too, but it’s still going strong. Plus, a revanced YouTube is a lot better than the regular app. Want to get rid of Shorts? Revanced will let you get rid of those shitty videos for good. Hate sponsor messages in Videos? Revanced will let you integrated sponsorblock.
The day that revanced won’t work anymore is the day I’ll stop using YouTube.
revanced is so good. not only stops ads but has sponsorblock as well.
Please drink verification can
Oh noes, another ad I don’t see because or aaarrr.
I know, YouTube is different content, but it’s just to make the point: if I gotta watch ads even while paying, then fuck you and your content, I’ll get it somewhere else
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May as well call it “Turn Off”.
It’s amazing how Youtube has become a huge advertising platform and has done away with video features…
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I dont know, could be used to target tv’s and embedded devices. A user has less control there and they have free reign there. Wouldnt be surprised if they knew this
Five years ago, a lot of people would have said the same thing about enshittification.
non-interuptive ad format
Yeah, I’ll stick with Brave web browser
Enshittification. Youtube is always going to get worse as long as it exists to make money.
Who do you expect to pay for it?
If McDonald’s started charging $100 for a cheeseburger, the response of “well who’s going to pay for it?” Would not be appropriate.
The cost is too high and is only increasing because of greed.
The cost is too high? Seriously?
You’re not paying anything for the service. You have no concept of what their costs are. You’re mildly inconvenienced by some annoying and slightly obtrusive ads.
It’s a business, not a charity. And they owe you nothing.
They are charging me my time through ads.
Neither do you, but I know Google will shut down anything not profitable enough and they haven’t shut down YouTube.
It’s a business, not a charity. I owe them nothing.
The last real executive at Google was forced out a few years ago. Google is firmly in the hands of advertising now.
Always was. How tf do you think they make money
Ads and search used to have a really strong firewall that separated their concerns. This no longer exists.
Sponsored search placements haven’t really changed. Most ads are run through AdWords which are found across the web and on mobile apps. Even this post is about ads run within videos. Thus unrelated to search.
I’d sooner stop using the internet than be forced to imprint that carefully crafted poison into my psyche. They will not steal my life with ads.
pay for the service then.
Serving HD videos aint free
Gladly. So I donated to Peertube.
whats that got to do with youtube?
if you’re exclusively using peertube, why are you complaining about ads on youtube?
So many people in this comment section are pissed that YouTube isn’t both free and ad-free. It’s mind blowing.
Yes, YouTube is a business and exists to generate revenue.
i’d get it if people were complaining about ads being added to paid subscriptions. i cancelled my prime subscription for exactly that reason.
But people whinging about having to watch ads on a service they’re not paying for has always struck me as weird
Yeah, completely agree. But this is also Lemmy. The majority of users are either a communist or almost a communist. And usually have a pretty bad understanding of what that even entails. Generally they just want everything to be free or paid for by someone else.
I was 97% communist at the last measurement. I think I will get the final 3% any day now, God willing.
So? Creating videos isn’t free, but few creators are receiving money worth the time they put in.
They also have a cycle-of-rage algorithm leading children from video game content into far-right radicalization.
The people you watch on yt get a higher amount from premium viewers.
the ones that are getting paid through the youtube partner program are getting that through either premium subs or ad revenue.
so if we get rid of all the ads on the platform where does the money to run the platform come from?
I pay for YouTube. I’m mildly optimistic that this won’t make it into the paid version, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if it does.
I’ve already had to cancel Amazon Prime after they made the base tier have ads, but continued to show ads after paying extra for ad-free.
It’ll get there. They’re boiling the frog. If you’ll pay now to get rid of ads, you’ll pay more to get rid of them when they show up, until you can’t pay more and then you’ll watch the ads.
When are they going to put video ads in little boxes all around the primary video content that all play simultaneously?
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The very least this is less obstrucive
Ah this is why they started showing screensavers now in the pause screen on the Apple TV app. They just needed this feature to bother people even more. Well, I won’t see it since I made the deal with the devil half a year ago and got Premium and I think it’s actually worth the money considering it’s my most watched streaming service by far.
Following in porn’s footsteps I see. Can’t pause a video without getting an ad shoved in front of your face.
How do you know so much about Porn?
Tubi does this. It’s probably the least I trusive way to handle ads. I’d be fine with it if it was a replacement for in-video ads, but I doubt they’re doing that and just want to squeeze more views out of our eyeballs so fuck them
This causes more issues when you have to pause to let the video buffer a while before continuing.