Oh my, color me surprised /s
But maybe the implementation of this will be the final straw for me, and I’ll finally be able to commit to degoogling myself and delete my account and every app for good.
Oh, also the irony of a Youtube CEO talking about “a revolution” is not lost on anyone I hope. Eat the rich.
Yeah, maybe this will help me detox from my Youtube addiction.
melroy@kbin.melroy.org
on 23 Jun 10:27
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Shit
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works
on 23 Jun 11:24
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YouTube should be fixing their buggy mess of a YouTube app, what a disaster. Every change they make, makes it worse.
Twanquility@feddit.dk
on 23 Jun 11:29
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“That’s right, a one-stop shop for AI slop is incoming”, brilliant sentence.
SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 23 Jun 12:10
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Why would anyone want to watch AI generated content? What’s the point? I get using AI generation as a tool but if there’s no human intention behind it, just a pure algorithm, why even bother?
It’s not like you can learn from it (even if the topic is something you’ll never use like a 2 hour dissertation on heat pumps or a multi-video series on how an old pinball machine uses only relays to calculate scores).
Why yes, I am subscribed to Technology Connections, how could you tell?
SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 23 Jun 12:17
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I love heat pumps I love heat pumps I love heat pumps
(I agree! I do love tech connections. Although I’d argue that knowing how heat pumps work can be quite beneficial ^^ at least in my case)
Can still be very pretty though. I use it to set scenes and show characters for my dungeons and dragons campaign.
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works
on 23 Jun 20:29
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Unpopular opinion: the fact that said stuff matches my style / that I like it is what makes art worth anything to me. Being made by a person or a fish or a machine doesnt matter. It’s the STUFF I want on my wall or the end table, not the fact that it’s tacitly human crafted. Any art I can afford is made by someone who is basically a faceless deal, not someone I know personally (or else the person matters) or someone who is famous (in which the person matters). Ergo… the people don’t typically matter.
Im not going to an insane restaurant to fanboy the chef, I’m going to eat the FOOD. If a machine makes it and every single dish is atomically identical, that’s fine, as long as it’s super tasty.
anachrohack@lemmy.world
on 23 Jun 13:55
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Sometimes I’ll watch a video and as soon as I realize the voice is AI generated, I stop watching
MiyamotoKnows@lemmy.world
on 23 Jun 14:13
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This was me once a month but now it’s a few times a day.
Really? I very rarely come across it, and I use YouTube a lot. But when I do come across it I select “don’t recommend channel again” and dislike the video.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world
on 23 Jun 14:19
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You already clicked. It doesn’t matter anymore.
hikaru755@lemmy.world
on 23 Jun 17:14
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Watch time is pretty important on YouTube afaik, initial clocks themselves don’t count for that much
I’ve clicked, but I have an ad-blocker, so… YouTube gained nothing from that.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
on 23 Jun 19:14
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But why?
Like sure some of the voices are not great but the words being said are the thing I’m interested in and not the person / machine saying the words.
Each to their own and all that, I’m just curious as to why you just stop watching something you were seemingly enjoying.
EighteenthNerd@lemmy.world
on 23 Jun 19:35
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Because it’s a sign to me that the content creator is willing to take shortcuts and be lazy. In which case I take the shortcut to being too lazy to watch their “content”.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
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I like to approach things in life with positive intent, so seeing a video with an AI voice to me would make me assume that perhaps they don’t have a great voice or that they have a stammer so so an Ai voice allows them to still make content they want to.
I find that life is a lot better if you assume the best in people rather than assume the worse. And I can tell you that since I’ve taken this approach I’m a much happier person and it’s extremely rare that I give positive intent to someone with bad intentions so worth it for less stress and worrying about things all the time.
Do you think the same of channels that pay someone else to be the face of the channel or is it just Ai voices you have issue with?
anachrohack@lemmy.world
on 23 Jun 21:55
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Because it signal to me that the content is low quality and untrustworthy
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
on 24 Jun 05:04
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Signals to me that maybe the creator isn’t comfortable with their voice or maybe they can’t speak or have a stutter, but they still have something to say.
If nobody bothered to make it why should anybody bother to watch it?
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
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Signals to me that maybe the creator isn’t comfortable with their voice or maybe they can’t speak or have a stutter, but they still have something to say.
Recognising the “AI voice” isn’t just the voice. It’s also the clearly “written by AI” circuitous script that keeps talking without saying anything and non-stop clickbait “but wait until you find out what the answer is” crap.
The other type of AI voice is people just stealing Reddit stories and putting them to AI. Also lame. I want my stories narrated with human emotion. The point of stories isn’t to transfer knowledge, it’s an art form, I don’t need shitty robot emotions thank you very much.
So no, the use case for AI voice is very narrow. Some of my favorite YouTubers use text narration. Maybe they don’t like their voice, or speak a different language, I don’t know, I’ve literally never heard them. It doesn’t stop them in the least from showing me amazing things. They don’t need to resort to polluting their video with the lowest garbage idea humans have created so far.
I’d like to see a video that is improved by the use of any AI.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
on 24 Jun 11:33
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You’ve given a lot more context and use cases here that you oppose and I would agree with them for the most part, but I would push back on the people using text narration switching to an AI voice as a natural progression as the tool becomes more useful.
As for seeing a video that has been improved by AI I would hazard a guess you’re already watching them, if you think creators are not using LLMs to improve their workflow and efficiency then you’d be mistaken.
I can’t comment on any specifics but our company of software engineers have saved that many man hours from LLM integration, as a tool not just write code for us, that me and my 5 colleagues all got a pay rise and a reduction of weekly hours at the same time. So based on this I would assume that if used correctly and responsibly I don’t see why people in other industries can’t use the tool for similar benefits.
auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 23 Jun 17:20
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There’s an example right in the article.
Historical events portrayed realistically is one.
EighteenthNerd@lemmy.world
on 23 Jun 19:32
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Which is the second most scary thing AI can do.
The first is realistic portrayal of faked current events.
Chiarottide@lemmy.world
on 23 Jun 14:00
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I’ve been using reVanced lately. It is a YouTube patcher, not a standalone application, but it’s good enough for me
github.com/ReVanced/revanced-manager/
That seems like a good solution for some people, but personally I would like to keep Google Play off my device unless I’m actually forced yo install it.
Chiarottide@lemmy.world
on 23 Jun 15:58
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I don’t think it’s required actually, you just download the APK, patch it and then install it. I haven’t degoogled (yet) but there should be a patch that makes it independent from Google Play Services
defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 23 Jun 16:05
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IIRC Revanced uses its own microG fork.
The original YouTube app that it’s pafching is obviously still proprietary, but all patches and the patcher are open source.
Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 23 Jun 15:13
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Every video fails to play, the only solution I’ve been recommended SK far is to disable my VPN but I don’t want to for privacy reasons.
Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 23 Jun 15:26
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Oh, that’s cause YouTube is blocking a lot of unsigned requests (from non-logged users). I have my own VPN on a popular VM provider and it’s blocked too.
Not really a newpipe fault, and not much to be done unfortunately.
dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works
on 23 Jun 16:06
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That sucks.
A thing you can do is change the endnode of your VPN. Some smaller countries are not blocked but your connection will be slower.
For a while a hammered the reconnect button until it worked but at this point I just went with split tunneling.
I think freetube let’s you configure proxys. Maybe that could be another way to attack the problem
EighteenthNerd@lemmy.world
on 23 Jun 19:37
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Did you try switching your VPN to a different country? Mine nearly always fails when my VPN points at my home country. But it nearly always works when I connect to another.
defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 23 Jun 16:03
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I started using PipePipe, which is a fork of NewPipe that allows for signing into a Google account to authenticate.
I create dummy Google accounts using an old Android phone, as that doesn’t require a phone number.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 23 Jun 13:23
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You know when gizmodo reads like harddrive that it’s some good shit lol
The “Unhook” addon (increasingly required for Youtube now, in my opinion) will still completely block this as it blocks all shorts. Fuck shorts anyway. Also as TechnologyConnections pointed out in a recent video, the subscription feed still and always has completely bypasses Youtube’s recommended brainrot anyway and allows you to subscribe to and follow the creators and topics you actually care about. Until we have a viable alternative to Youtube (and hopefully stuff like this will drive that to happen sooner rather than later) the other option is to stick to subscriptions as much as possible and only subscribe to creators that don’t abuse this or use shorts at all, preferably.
Winged_Hussar@lemmy.world
on 23 Jun 14:15
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It absolutely blew my mind when TechnologyConnections shared the % of users who use the subscription page to get to their videos…
defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 23 Jun 16:02
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The vast majority of people stick with defaults, no matter how shitty they are.
Winged_Hussar@lemmy.world
on 23 Jun 20:09
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the subscription feed still and always has completely bypasses Youtube’s recommended brainrot anyway
Though they are messing with that too, on mobile there is a “Most Relevant” section on top. Though thankfully they are videos from your subs.
…for now.
The problem with the subscription feed is that it shows you every channel that you’re subscribed to. If I only want to see cooking videos for example, then it has to be through the standard YouTube recommendations page. What it needs is the ability to manually group channels and let us choose which set of channels we want to see.
Damn. I read the headline, and I almost thought it was a “Report AI Slop” button. What a feature that would be!
tomjuggler@lemmy.world
on 24 Jun 09:08
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Was still thinking that until I read this comment. Tiktok is unwatchable (I mean more than before even) because of this. Luckily longer videos are still hard to produce with AI
We are not the same, I usually choose to watch people with an excess amount of bottom.
aproposnix@scribe.disroot.org
on 24 Jun 05:08
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I really wish more people would get behind peertube. I also wish some awesome person/s with coding skills could create an app compatible with smartTV’s (esp., android).
Don’t need any coding skills for doing apps. You can do it with a single well constructed prompt (and 400 other prompts trying to fix the initial bugs and all the dozens other bugs introduced prompt after prompt)
ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk
on 24 Jun 13:10
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But then you just dump your black box of combined code, that you don’t understand, back in to another prompt and accept all changes with no questions ask. Easy peasy.
Congratulations, you made more AI slop, and the problem is still unsolved 🤣
Current AI solves 0% of difficult programming problems, 0%, it’s good at producing the lowest common denominator, protocols are sitting at 99th percentile here. You’re not going to be developing anything remotely close to a new, scale able, secure, federated protocol with it.
Nevermind the interoperability, client libraries…etc Or the proofs and protocol documentation. Which exist before the actual code.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world
on 24 Jun 17:54
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Oh my, color me surprised /s But maybe the implementation of this will be the final straw for me, and I’ll finally be able to commit to degoogling myself and delete my account and every app for good.
Oh, also the irony of a Youtube CEO talking about “a revolution” is not lost on anyone I hope. Eat the rich.
Yeah, maybe this will help me detox from my Youtube addiction.
Shit
YouTube should be fixing their buggy mess of a YouTube app, what a disaster. Every change they make, makes it worse.
“That’s right, a one-stop shop for AI slop is incoming”, brilliant sentence.
Why would anyone want to watch AI generated content? What’s the point? I get using AI generation as a tool but if there’s no human intention behind it, just a pure algorithm, why even bother?
It’s not like you can learn from it (even if the topic is something you’ll never use like a 2 hour dissertation on heat pumps or a multi-video series on how an old pinball machine uses only relays to calculate scores).
Why yes, I am subscribed to Technology Connections, how could you tell?
I love heat pumps I love heat pumps I love heat pumps
(I agree! I do love tech connections. Although I’d argue that knowing how heat pumps work can be quite beneficial ^^ at least in my case)
I have no idea what this vibe is, but I would like to subscribe.
I subscribed to him as well. His Patreon is even better.
I’ve been meaning to add his patreon. I have too many as it is and need to call a bit, but I just feel guilty about it.
Art is people making stuff, without the people… it’s just stuff.
Can still be very pretty though. I use it to set scenes and show characters for my dungeons and dragons campaign.
Unpopular opinion: the fact that said stuff matches my style / that I like it is what makes art worth anything to me. Being made by a person or a fish or a machine doesnt matter. It’s the STUFF I want on my wall or the end table, not the fact that it’s tacitly human crafted. Any art I can afford is made by someone who is basically a faceless deal, not someone I know personally (or else the person matters) or someone who is famous (in which the person matters). Ergo… the people don’t typically matter.
Im not going to an insane restaurant to fanboy the chef, I’m going to eat the FOOD. If a machine makes it and every single dish is atomically identical, that’s fine, as long as it’s super tasty.
Sometimes I’ll watch a video and as soon as I realize the voice is AI generated, I stop watching
This was me once a month but now it’s a few times a day.
Really? I very rarely come across it, and I use YouTube a lot. But when I do come across it I select “don’t recommend channel again” and dislike the video.
You already clicked. It doesn’t matter anymore.
Watch time is pretty important on YouTube afaik, initial clocks themselves don’t count for that much
I’ve clicked, but I have an ad-blocker, so… YouTube gained nothing from that.
But why?
Like sure some of the voices are not great but the words being said are the thing I’m interested in and not the person / machine saying the words.
Each to their own and all that, I’m just curious as to why you just stop watching something you were seemingly enjoying.
Because it’s a sign to me that the content creator is willing to take shortcuts and be lazy. In which case I take the shortcut to being too lazy to watch their “content”.
I like to approach things in life with positive intent, so seeing a video with an AI voice to me would make me assume that perhaps they don’t have a great voice or that they have a stammer so so an Ai voice allows them to still make content they want to.
I find that life is a lot better if you assume the best in people rather than assume the worse. And I can tell you that since I’ve taken this approach I’m a much happier person and it’s extremely rare that I give positive intent to someone with bad intentions so worth it for less stress and worrying about things all the time.
Do you think the same of channels that pay someone else to be the face of the channel or is it just Ai voices you have issue with?
Because it signal to me that the content is low quality and untrustworthy
Signals to me that maybe the creator isn’t comfortable with their voice or maybe they can’t speak or have a stutter, but they still have something to say.
If nobody bothered to make it why should anybody bother to watch it?
Signals to me that maybe the creator isn’t comfortable with their voice or maybe they can’t speak or have a stutter, but they still have something to say.
Recognising the “AI voice” isn’t just the voice. It’s also the clearly “written by AI” circuitous script that keeps talking without saying anything and non-stop clickbait “but wait until you find out what the answer is” crap.
The other type of AI voice is people just stealing Reddit stories and putting them to AI. Also lame. I want my stories narrated with human emotion. The point of stories isn’t to transfer knowledge, it’s an art form, I don’t need shitty robot emotions thank you very much.
So no, the use case for AI voice is very narrow. Some of my favorite YouTubers use text narration. Maybe they don’t like their voice, or speak a different language, I don’t know, I’ve literally never heard them. It doesn’t stop them in the least from showing me amazing things. They don’t need to resort to polluting their video with the lowest garbage idea humans have created so far.
I’d like to see a video that is improved by the use of any AI.
You’ve given a lot more context and use cases here that you oppose and I would agree with them for the most part, but I would push back on the people using text narration switching to an AI voice as a natural progression as the tool becomes more useful.
As for seeing a video that has been improved by AI I would hazard a guess you’re already watching them, if you think creators are not using LLMs to improve their workflow and efficiency then you’d be mistaken.
I can’t comment on any specifics but our company of software engineers have saved that many man hours from LLM integration, as a tool not just write code for us, that me and my 5 colleagues all got a pay rise and a reduction of weekly hours at the same time. So based on this I would assume that if used correctly and responsibly I don’t see why people in other industries can’t use the tool for similar benefits.
There’s an example right in the article.
Historical events portrayed realistically is one.
Which is the second most scary thing AI can do.
The first is realistic portrayal of faked current events.
Although there is nothing realistic about it all. But it satisfies the expectations of someone who doesn’t know anything about history.
Delete your account.
Because now there literally will be infinite content for doom scrolling addicts.
I’ve watched some mildly amusing Yeti campfire tutorials that were AI generated.
E.g. youtube.com/shorts/H2M0rSW9jhk
If only NewPipe worked…
I’ve been using reVanced lately. It is a YouTube patcher, not a standalone application, but it’s good enough for me github.com/ReVanced/revanced-manager/
That seems like a good solution for some people, but personally I would like to keep Google Play off my device unless I’m actually forced yo install it.
I don’t think it’s required actually, you just download the APK, patch it and then install it. I haven’t degoogled (yet) but there should be a patch that makes it independent from Google Play Services
IIRC Revanced uses its own microG fork.
The original YouTube app that it’s pafching is obviously still proprietary, but all patches and the patcher are open source.
Doesn’t it? newpipe.net
Every video fails to play, the only solution I’ve been recommended SK far is to disable my VPN but I don’t want to for privacy reasons.
Oh, that’s cause YouTube is blocking a lot of unsigned requests (from non-logged users). I have my own VPN on a popular VM provider and it’s blocked too.
Not really a newpipe fault, and not much to be done unfortunately.
I hope they will atop doing that eventually…
Can you download the though?
Nope. “Content unavailable” no matter what I do.
That sucks.
A thing you can do is change the endnode of your VPN. Some smaller countries are not blocked but your connection will be slower.
For a while a hammered the reconnect button until it worked but at this point I just went with split tunneling.
I think freetube let’s you configure proxys. Maybe that could be another way to attack the problem
Did you try switching your VPN to a different country? Mine nearly always fails when my VPN points at my home country. But it nearly always works when I connect to another.
I started using PipePipe, which is a fork of NewPipe that allows for signing into a Google account to authenticate.
I create dummy Google accounts using an old Android phone, as that doesn’t require a phone number.
You know when gizmodo reads like harddrive that it’s some good shit lol
The “Unhook” addon (increasingly required for Youtube now, in my opinion) will still completely block this as it blocks all shorts. Fuck shorts anyway. Also as TechnologyConnections pointed out in a recent video, the subscription feed still and always has completely bypasses Youtube’s recommended brainrot anyway and allows you to subscribe to and follow the creators and topics you actually care about. Until we have a viable alternative to Youtube (and hopefully stuff like this will drive that to happen sooner rather than later) the other option is to stick to subscriptions as much as possible and only subscribe to creators that don’t abuse this or use shorts at all, preferably.
It absolutely blew my mind when TechnologyConnections shared the % of users who use the subscription page to get to their videos…
The vast majority of people stick with defaults, no matter how shitty they are.
Me looking at your username <img alt="" src="https://c.tenor.com/jHR1_BQ3eF8AAAAC/not-sure-fry.gif">
youtube.com/watch?v=LW6RWSiR88s
YouTube also defaults to it, so if you open it, and the video you want is already there, no need to jump to another page to load the exact same video.
Though they are messing with that too, on mobile there is a “Most Relevant” section on top. Though thankfully they are videos from your subs.
…for now.
The problem with the subscription feed is that it shows you every channel that you’re subscribed to. If I only want to see cooking videos for example, then it has to be through the standard YouTube recommendations page. What it needs is the ability to manually group channels and let us choose which set of channels we want to see.
You can create different profiles on FreeTube to do exactly that.
The same way cows lead a slaughterhouse.
No-one knows chicken like chickens!
Too bad this probably still won’t drive people to other platforms.
Being a monopoly does that, yeah.
Hate slop, but I also approve of anything that makes it easier to wrest IPs away from Hollywood. Feeling conflicted and pessimistic.
Damn. I read the headline, and I almost thought it was a “Report AI Slop” button. What a feature that would be!
Was still thinking that until I read this comment. Tiktok is unwatchable (I mean more than before even) because of this. Luckily longer videos are still hard to produce with AI
That would be all of it.
Oh boy, a button that generates ai shorts. Combining my 2 least favorite things about YouTube.
Buttons and shorts? Yeah, I also like watching bottomless people sometimes.
We are not the same, I usually choose to watch people with an excess amount of bottom.
I really wish more people would get behind peertube. I also wish some awesome person/s with coding skills could create an app compatible with smartTV’s (esp., android).
Don’t need any coding skills for doing apps. You can do it with a single well constructed prompt (and 400 other prompts trying to fix the initial bugs and all the dozens other bugs introduced prompt after prompt)
But then you just dump your black box of combined code, that you don’t understand, back in to another prompt and accept all changes with no questions ask. Easy peasy.
And it won’t scale at all!
Congratulations, you made more AI slop, and the problem is still unsolved 🤣
Current AI solves 0% of difficult programming problems, 0%, it’s good at producing the lowest common denominator, protocols are sitting at 99th percentile here. You’re not going to be developing anything remotely close to a new, scale able, secure, federated protocol with it.
Nevermind the interoperability, client libraries…etc Or the proofs and protocol documentation. Which exist before the actual code.
“One slop please”