The big corporations desperately want AI to be popular because they’ve thrown literally insane amounts of money at it and still don’t know how to monetize it.

There’s going to be a huge push to make it seem like everyone loves it and it’s weird not to use it constantly

It’s going to go horribly and come off like that “fellow kids” meme, exactly like this headline

Carnivores: vegetable vegans.

• Working class: retirement vegan
• American: healthcare vegan
• German: humour vegan

My god, it’s unstoppable

• Amish: techno vegans
• Mennonite: techno vegetarians

I mean “Straight edgers” is on the same level already

You’re hereby invited to /c/vegan, as you appear to be a Northern Hemisphere vegan.

Incels: sexual vegans

It’s like taking the last syllable of the name of the hotel and tacking it onto every scandal, because you didn’t understand that it’s part of the name of a hotel, and not some sort of indicator of scandal.

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• Cyclists: transport vegans
• Hippies: war vegans
• Vegans: food vegans
• Lemmy users: social media vegans

netaphor vegan

Found an autocorrect vegan!

Recycling: waste vegans.

The Germans are probably upset with this comparison

What for a nonsense. Do these other countries not sort their waste or what? Do they not know about efficiency? Next thing you’re going to tell me they don’t sort their white, green and brown glass separately.

There literally is. It’s a mentality that prevents vaccine adoption rates and such. That said, being slow to adopt a technology like Boomers to the Internet is okay. Not adopting a technology because it has no inherent value and is being foisted on us by the ruling class is solid bro behavior.

It was always about worker’s rights anyways:

Malcolm L. Thomas argued in his 1970 history The Luddites that machine-breaking was one of the very few tactics that workers could use to increase pressure on employers, undermine lower-paid competing workers, and create solidarity among workers. “These attacks on machines did not imply any necessary hostility to machinery as such; machinery was just a conveniently exposed target against which an attack could be made.”[10] Historian Eric Hobsbawm has called their machine wrecking “collective bargaining by riot”, which had been a tactic used in Britain since the Restoration because manufactories were scattered throughout the country, and that made it impractical to hold large-scale strikes.[13][14] An agricultural variant of Luddism occurred during the widespread Swing Riots of 1830 in southern and eastern England, centring on breaking threshing machines.[15]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

It was about making sure that as mechanization resulted in a lower need for labor, that workers compensation remained steady, and they worked less hours.

People hating luddites is just the result of centuries old propaganda from the wealthy

When the technology really gets beyond human comprehension and people are just guessing and throwing shit at the wall (or billions and billions of dollars), I think it's a sensible position to be a luddite.

Its so wacky out there. When I read something like this I’m sure its The Onion. And its not. Then I read a headline about US politics and its totally believable , alas its The Onion.

You’d be surprised how much more serene your headspace can become if you stop expecting anything beyond stupidity, incompetence and negligence as the default human behavior.

That's because the author seems to be a journalism vegan, writing vegan and self-awareness vegan.

I refuse to believe this title is anything other than engagement-bait, personally.

Yeah, pretty disappointing to see from the Guardian.

Seems to me you‘re a BS vegan.

I just don’t use it because it’s shit and doesn’t do anything I need any better than I can do myself in the same time.

It doesn’t produce information, it produces text. Expecting that text to contain information is a fools errand

What model and UI are you using?

We must not create a machine to counterfeit human thinking. That could be the most important phrase in the entire thing.

Almost like there might already be a text or novels out there that warn on the dangers of mankind’s hubris.

You're not wrong. I am skeptical of AI, and I worry if that makes me a Luddite. I think refusing to use it for anything probably does qualify one as a Luddite. Using it for limited purpose with oversight is the correct approach.

Corporate simp

Y’know, as long as we’re childishly name-calling

Which is the vegan party?

I’m a soulslike vegan.

It’s honestly not even the worst way I’ve even seen it used.

I used to watch some League of Legends (I know, I know) streams from time to time, and there’s a meta where your mid laner, who is supposed to be a strong carry, gives up all their farm to the roaming jungler roll so they become the super-carry.

In any case this somehow got termed to be the “vegan mid” strategy. Ugh. Veganism is when you starve, apparently.

Stupid ass-title

I can’t say I’m a (normal) vegan, but I’m definitely an AI vegan. I was turned off by the ethical considerations, and the few “bites” I have tried leave a bad taste in my mouth. I avoid using it because much of the training data was (and is) stolen, the power costs are far too high compared to the utility, and it’s basically worthless to me, having a screwed up response to nearly every prompt I tried.

If it gets you talking about it, even in the context of telling them to shut the fuck up, it’s working :)

“Theres no fucking gun to your head.” Bosses: 🦜🤖 🟰💹, 👨‍💼🔫🤓

Just hold up a picture, they’ll show up to tell you why they think it’s generated

Just wait until you have an employer tell you that you need to write up a summary of how you used AI in your every day activities to save 25% of your day to work on other activities.

You’ll use AI to write the summary and then soon discover that your employer is a tool and is paying more than double your salary to keep that AI around to do literally nothinf 98% of the time it exists.

I also try, but it is invoked on my behalf. For instance, at work if I make a pull request now multiple AI bots are summoned to give an analysis of my code changes. It’s extremely verbose and annoying, and I think basically nobody reads it because all it does is just spam the comments section with way too much text.

I vehemently hate OpenAI, ChatGPT, et al. At least it’s funny when it summarizes my changes as significant improvements that improve code maintainability. I guess getting glazed by the bot in a way my manager can see is helpful to my career? Though honestly he probably also doesn’t read that shit. So glad all this energy is wasted for nothing.

I hate this attitude from people who don’t even try things before saying they are not missing out. Try AI! You have to experience the head bashing, head scratching time sink, after which you do a manual search anyways. It is a marvellous wonder how bad modern “cutting edge” tech can be.

Eh, you can download and run them locally now, and they don’t even phone home.

freegan

If they had come up with something original like that, it would have been better. But creating constructive neologisms takes work, I guess.

It’s like vegangate or something.

Got a good chuckle out of me tho

Make sure to wash your hands after.

HEre’s a tip, paste the chapter index from the manual in it, ask "which chapter are relevant to " $question Then paste the chapter it asks, then formulate your question The AI search result though, useless because they’re contextless, it’s like a car without a steering wheel.

Why neo?

Starting it with “AI” is already misleading. Whatever the noun is should be preceded by “Anti-AI.”

Yeah, I too hate those hypcrites who complain about the massive environmental impact of AI, then drive a 10 mile round trip to buy a burger made from a cow raised on soy.

What aspects of crypto have been integrated into everything?

Wishful thinking. Crypto never got anywhere anyway. I am already seeing AI slop on billboards and all.

Crypto went as far as a YouTube ad for me. I am seeing everyday examples of AI use and generated slop.

Search sucks and the AI is faster for tech questions. Try searching a Linux cli question or obscure error. Lots of stuff from over a decade ago that are no longer relevant. And you have to wade through so much to find the right one. Or type in AI wait a minute and get the answer.

It’s a lead. Because they’ve already made vegans mockworthy

You kind of summarized being vegan

luddaite?

I think this IS an AI tech bro. Or at least an AI tech bro dick-rider.

There’s been recent pushes in that regard, investment in AI shit has been enormous but the financial payoff for anyone besides hardware manufacturers remains nonexistent. So investors and corporations have recently redoubled their efforts into trying to get everyone to use it in the hopes that this somehow will make them profitable.

yeah, this is 1000% deliberate manufacturing consent

Sounds like you are not eating enough small rocks a day. You should eat 1 small rock a day.

also because it’s shit, if my memory serves me, I have successfully used AI for a productive task 1 time out of 7 attempts so far… it saved me 5 minutes

Don’t use it for things you need trust in then.

Inspiration for creative writing prompts for example. Things that make you double check every word that has been generated or where it doesn’t matter they hallucinate.

so… you’re refusing AI, but you are using AI? isnt the point of the story that people are not using because ethics? its not a discussion on how good they are, which is somewhat irrelevant.

ITT: people really upset at being called ‘vegan’ for some reason.

It’s fair to say that the environmental and ethical concerns are significant and I wouldn’t look down in anyone refusing to use AI for those reasons. I don’t look down on vegetarians or vegans either - I don’t have to agree with someone’s moral stance or choices to respect them.

But you’re right, LLMs are full of crap.

For most people, this isn’t a moral stance, it’s just that the product isn’t worth paying for.

Wait till you see the price of a burger in another five years.

You only notice AI-generated content when it’s bad/obvious, but you’d never notice the AI-generated content that’s so good it’s indistinguishable from something generated by a human.

I don’t know what percentage of the “good” content we see is AI-generated, but it’s probably more than 0 and will probably go up over time.

Customer service AI sucks, I think we can all agree to this

But if you really believe that ChatGPT and Gemini is mainly for generating art, then you’re completely wrong

I’ve interacted with AI. Once.

My employer enabled it on my laptop. It introduced itself to me and asked how it could be helpful. I asked it how to disable it. It responded HAL style.

Never reached out to it again.

Incorrect, get the guillotine

Eh. Factory farming is a significant contributor to greenhouse gases, particularly through methane released by large livestock herds.

But the industry is so saturated with subsidies and shielded from liabilities and exempted from taxes and so comically wasteful in its surplus production that there hasn’t been any material benefit to veganism as a social movement. You can take a moral position (and you should, eating meat is awful for a variety of reasons). But there’s no actual correlation between an increase in vegan eating habits and a decrease in agricultural emissions. All we ever get is more meat shipped abroad or thrown in the trash.

The real curb to agricultural production has been raw materials constraints - limits on arable land, potable water, and slaughterhouse workers - that have (directly or indirectly) emerged from a changed climate. Outside these limits, all we’ve really achieved is “Grapes of Wrath” style surplus destruction to keep retail prices up.

If a factory farm can produce another dead cow, it does, even if it can’t reliably bring the carcass to market. The profit margins are set so artificially high that they’d be fools not to do so. Only herd die-offs resulting from heat waves, water shortages, and a lack of below-market migrant labor seem to dissuade them from trying to expand.

They aren’t using the word. Other people are using it and applying it to them.

I’m sex vegan. Cry about it virgins

I mean, abstaining from animal products makes someone a vegan, right? If you abstain from AI products then it would follow that you’re an “AI vegan”.

Awe so the article author has a vendetta against vegans got it.

It’s like how they put the word gate after something to say that it is a scandal involving the former word.

Somesort of political scandal involving road maintenance? Oh yes well that’s roadgate then. Even though the Watergate scandal was in fact it scandal in the watergate hotel, rather than a scandal about water.

But it makes people come off as extremely annoying. So that’s working.

I wouldn’t mind a Geth or two, for jolly cooperation

There’s a huge push right now to salvage the AI hype bubble as people realize the tech can’t live up to the promises. They are also trying to prevent regulation.

This includes the pushes to humanize the tool, like saying it deserves rights or that there may be some kind of racism against the tool.

It is though

They use to mock us with “Luddite” but the Technologists looked into that actual movement (rather than the caricature) and agreed, “yeah sure, like them”. That took the sting out of the pejorative, so they picked another mocked group to connect it with.

I’m one too!

Effectively I believe we are. During my MFA I realized we were simply copying as a form of craft. It’s all we do in arts. Any great work feels like just one continuous story retold again and again.

you aren’t artificial tho lol

Yup, these things are still garbage for >90% of all applications people are jamming them into. Breathed a sigh of relief when my company CEO said he doesn’t see us using AI for more than can center routing for at least the next several years.

Every last bit of it? What is your stance on use of AI for tasks such as data analysis of massive sets for scientific research, or procedural automation of massive operations?

*because you don’t know how to use it

You’ve probably heard this before but do consider alternatives like Startpage and Qwant. It’s not flawless but I’ve found it’s definitely better.

If you’re willing to pay money then Kagi is a great alternative. They claim they don’t collect or share your data. Though, Kagi isn’t very good for local search results and probably never will be.

udm14.com

You can also get a search extension in firefox (probably others as well but I haven’t looked)

It essentially strips the bullshit out and just shows you search results.

Duck duck go

Have you tried Ecosia?

I use my boyfriends own browser. Boyfriend, please explain it:

Soooo, it’s called searXNG. It’s a metasearch engine I host locally. It searches across multiple search engines, like duck duck go and others. And then shows the results as a normal webpage. It also changes your “fingerprint” per every search, and every search/result is proxied through the server. If you wanna try it out, you can use (public instance): searx.bndkt.io But you can easily host it locally from the source or with docker.

They are “journalism vegans”. They are choosing to abstain from actual journalism for clickbaiting, herd mentality, and personal lack of skill reasons.

Why are you dissing on vegans? Veganism is legit, bro.

We let environmentalism become an individual issue, and that was a mistake.

Everyone knows it’s not an individual issue, corporations are constantly buying up political shielding and support, as well as media opinions, to ensure that “the economy” remains more important than the environment and that they, the ones responsible for all the shit, don’t get regulated or properly fined and blamed.

Less but yea, many are anti AI here

I’m technophobic. Fucking clankers

That’s a completely different reason to not use AI.

You’re a technophile - you don’t use AI because you enjoy finding information on your own and learning. Great. That ignores the vast majority of people using AI to write emails/posts (which is not looking up information nor learning anything related to tech).

The people the article is about don’t want to use AI due to environmental reasons - the amounts of water and energy it uses for every prompt is stupid high and they don’t want to contribute to that waste.

Whithout a clear definition of intelligence, such a discussion is somewhat pointless. The closest thing I would use to describe artificial “intelligence” is: Mimicking human/natural thought and decision processes, without the necessity of being identical.

Secondly, regarding your first paragraph:
Humans excel at providing wrong information. Sometimes they are right. In that regard there are similarities between an LLM and a human.

By the way: LLMs are part of the field of AI. But AI consists of a plethora of methods and algorithms, where LLMs are just a tiny fraction that is currently very popular.

I agree. AI would be way more useful if it gave some kind of indicator of accuracy, or even just saying “I don’t know.”

Right now, AI only doesn’t have an answer when the goons who programmed it told it not to give one.

It is AI.

Hard copium there

What would make it ‘ai’ in your mind?

Seems like it. Because vegan is already seen as a ridiculouse thing and “the enemy” by the average person

I don’t agree with the framing, either, but they’re drawing parallels between people not using something due to a principled moral stance. (As well as some not-so-subtle implication that these people are holier-than-thou, too.)

Im a proud jet vegan myself, not that i have a choice, but still

This caught my eye as well. Haha. Some people are constantly looking for a machine to rage against.

Make a bunch of sites whose opinion on any topic eventually devolves into “and that’s why billionaires should be hanged and their possessions destroyed”

Best way to make an espresso? Boil water, prepare the coffee grounds then execute a mob lynching on the nearest rich villa

Part of becoming socially acceptable is being visible so that people understand that atheists aren’t some kind of scary monster. We are your doctors, scientists, fire fighters, etc. You might even be friends with one! There might be one (or more!) in your own family! And the only way that is going to happen is if atheists identify as such.

Not eating animals is not a wacky contrarian position either, and I’m not even vegan

In terms of office work, the technology pretty much already exists to cause a change akin to the change that happened from pre-photocopier (so typing pools), only the odd phone line per office building, no fax, obviously no computers/email/internet/mobile phones era office work to the office work of today.

The energy use is unconscionable. The people currently owning the tech that runs large language models are awful, but it is possible for companies and individuals to run their own llm’s.

Anyway, the point is, would it be daft for anyone to insist on working in a typing pool in a 1950s office today? I get why people dislike ai. I am not really trying to defend it, I’m just saying that it really is a mistake for anyone to just try and ignore it.

Imagine thinking that veganism is “wacky”.

Imo vegan shouldn’t be seen as derogatory. I’m not one, but got a lot of respect for most of em.

Wow, thank you so much for sharing this. What a major blow to the Guardian’s credibility

sloppers

You very quickly see its limittions

Well, one is a group of smug uninformed zealots pretending their choices are somehow saving the environment from something that isn’t a problem in the first place… you know the punchline ;)

Vegan is not an insult, it is a compliment.

It also has nothing to do with AI. It would be like calling them “AI feminists”.

Well, yes, it will save people by turning them into obedient sheep, who can be gotten rid of at any convenient moment with the snap of a finger, without any smart plans.

I don’t know, maybe in some sense, by giving up your freedom, you can find salvation, who knows, you were such crazy people who believed in flying cars, and some people even believe in garden gnomes lol.

For example – I am superman and I even have a video of me saving people, do you believe me?

Where… AI is ruining the world, with devastating levels of environmental impact, job losses and mental faculty damage.

Yes, it sounds like marginalizing normal reasonable people.

Also too ambiguous of a term, could also mean an ai chatbot that pretends to be a vegan person.

Yeah… It’s just abstaining from something. Veganism didn’t invent that. Dumb headline

It’s an incredibly stupid phrase. Like, mind-numbingly stupid. “I’m not gluten free, I’m a bread vegan.” Idiotic

VAIgans.