There was some way to either steal a “dirty” magazine, buy one from an older teenager, or check out the one you found at your friend’s house that his dad had in a drawer somewhere.
If all else failed, there was always the Sears catalog.
Pitching your desire to block pornography against the collective sex drives of the whole populace is a recipe for you losing and look stupid doing it.
hendrik@palaver.p3x.de
on 26 Jul 2024 08:06
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I mean there is a difference between the good old magazines and having access to super hardcore stuff for a 9yo... But generally I agree.
Where is the line? I’m not advocating for anarchy and having no lines, I’m just generally curious where people who make distinctions in a gray area draw that line, be it censorship, what kinds of food to eat, social etiquette, etc.
Also, “I don’t know” is perfectly acceptable.
hendrik@palaver.p3x.de
on 26 Jul 2024 13:29
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I personally think there isn't any exact line. Everyone has to make that decision for themselves. And something which might be alright in one communicy might be unacceptable in another. Like political debate vs casual conversation vs technology discussion.
I tolerate some mild trolling. I hate argumentative people, at least when they're wrong, don't listen but don't stop spewing their nonsense. I don't accept personal attacks and hatred in general. I don't tolerate brigading, mass-downvoting and such things. And I think we already have enough misinformation available. Any lies and factually false things can be deleted IMO unless it contributes something at some level.
I also despise people wasting other people's time. Baiting with controversial topics and then never engaging in the discussion. Asking for advice and then not reading or upvoting any comments. Dumping content and links from other platforms to make Lemmy be "more active" while actually turning it into a dumpster.
I think mods should be fair. I love meaningful discussions. People sharing personal stories. Learning things. Being nice to each other and doing literally anything constructive with our time here.
I tend toward being liberal. So I try to be alright with as much as I can.
I think most people have a working moral compass. Not everyone, but enough people so we don't really need to discuss what's nice and what is unacceptable behaviour.
DancingBear@midwest.social
on 26 Jul 2024 04:40
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Who needs porn with articles like this
massive_bereavement@fedia.io
on 26 Jul 2024 05:43
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And at some point, they will blur the lines of what porn means, and bit by bit everything that meant something to you will be banned until nothing is left but what they like.
lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 26 Jul 2024 08:41
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They’re already trying to label trans people simply existing as porn
massive_bereavement@fedia.io
on 27 Jul 2024 00:23
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History is quite unoriginal.
umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml
on 26 Jul 2024 07:12
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Easiest solution: point the fucking DNS to a family safe one and lock it behind passcode. Done.
This is how you “protect the children.” Not by making a burden on everyone else. I don’t need age verification on the internet, ever.
Akasazh@feddit.nl
on 26 Jul 2024 08:05
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Good luck explaining this to congress
Etterra@lemmy.world
on 26 Jul 2024 11:28
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Some of those fossils predate combination locks. Good luck educating them on anything built after the 14th century.
umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml
on 26 Jul 2024 15:59
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If they truly understand, we won’t have this shit now.
What about the kids modifying the DNS settings or modifying the hosts file on their own machine?
FierySpectre@lemmy.world
on 26 Jul 2024 13:36
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Lock the settings app behind a passcode too, there’s ways to block things like settings… Not sure if that works for individual screens in there though
Esp@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 26 Jul 2024 13:00
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I mean tbf, I think if your kid is smart enough to work out they need to log into the router to change the DNS settings then they can probably figure out how to set it on their end device too. Unless you’re also blocking VPNs and non-dhcp directed DNS requests too.
I think the obvious solution is to force router makers to have a more user-friendly way to enable child-friendly features (we did that with TVs, why not the internet?) rather than forcing websites to either shutdown or do sketchy shit like take IDs. I work as a tech for an ISP, I assure you most people can’t figure out (or are barely able to even with instructions) how to change the default wifi, there’s no chance in hell you’re gonna explain to them how to point traffic to a custom dns.
umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml
on 26 Jul 2024 14:19
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The main avenue of kids accessing the internet is via their smartphone. I’m not too knowledged into the functionality and capabilities of the built in parental by Google and Apple. Can anybody chime in and explain?
It will be nice to have somekind of MDM solutions, ideally free with a nice guided setup, for parents managing kid’s phone.
Apple provides a lot of choices through “Family Sharing” where parents manage settings through iCloud. You can restrict apps, times, duration, content by ratings, websites, purchases, calling, etc
When my kids were little and got their first phones, Family Sharing didn’t really exist yet, but there were apps that might be more similar to what you’re thinking. However my restrictions actions were pretty minimal - mainly to limit screen time overall and after lights out
my kids were especially annoyed about blocking mature content on YouTube - most videos are unrated so the all get blocked. It’s just not worth trying
when I tried blocking explicit web sites, they just used other devices. While I expected them to find a way around the restrictions pretty easily, it was ridiculous how many different types of devices Id need to do that on, and each did it a different way with different capabilities. It’s just not worth it. Pay attention to your kids and trust them instead
Maybe they’re not really trying to protect children.
kenkenken@sh.itjust.works
on 26 Jul 2024 10:00
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Maybe there will be less and less reasons to use internet at all.
johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world
on 26 Jul 2024 14:12
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An optimist, huh?
SomeGuy69@lemmy.world
on 26 Jul 2024 11:36
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After war on drugs failed you got to spend all that anger on something and find a new enemy.
androogee@midwest.social
on 26 Jul 2024 13:19
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War on healthcare ain’t getting them off anymore, but war on food security has a promising future
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 26 Jul 2024 15:35
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The war on drugs didn’t fail. It’s still an ongoing failure.
ahornsirup@feddit.org
on 26 Jul 2024 16:54
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Looking at it from the outside it doesn’t look like a failure at all, it provides the prison industrial complex with an endless stream of slaves cheap prison labour. If we assume that that’s the actual goal, it’s a resounding success.
threaded - newest
Fuck America.
American here. I approve.
But only after you’ve provided your ID.
Morons, all of them. You’re not getting that genie back in the bottle.
I grew up pre-internet and still found plenty of porn, as did the hypocrites making these laws.
There was some way to either steal a “dirty” magazine, buy one from an older teenager, or check out the one you found at your friend’s house that his dad had in a drawer somewhere.
If all else failed, there was always the Sears catalog.
Pitching your desire to block pornography against the collective sex drives of the whole populace is a recipe for you losing and look stupid doing it.
I mean there is a difference between the good old magazines and having access to super hardcore stuff for a 9yo... But generally I agree.
Where is the line? I’m not advocating for anarchy and having no lines, I’m just generally curious where people who make distinctions in a gray area draw that line, be it censorship, what kinds of food to eat, social etiquette, etc.
Also, “I don’t know” is perfectly acceptable.
I personally think there isn't any exact line. Everyone has to make that decision for themselves. And something which might be alright in one communicy might be unacceptable in another. Like political debate vs casual conversation vs technology discussion.
I tolerate some mild trolling. I hate argumentative people, at least when they're wrong, don't listen but don't stop spewing their nonsense. I don't accept personal attacks and hatred in general. I don't tolerate brigading, mass-downvoting and such things. And I think we already have enough misinformation available. Any lies and factually false things can be deleted IMO unless it contributes something at some level.
I also despise people wasting other people's time. Baiting with controversial topics and then never engaging in the discussion. Asking for advice and then not reading or upvoting any comments. Dumping content and links from other platforms to make Lemmy be "more active" while actually turning it into a dumpster.
I think mods should be fair. I love meaningful discussions. People sharing personal stories. Learning things. Being nice to each other and doing literally anything constructive with our time here.
I tend toward being liberal. So I try to be alright with as much as I can.
I think most people have a working moral compass. Not everyone, but enough people so we don't really need to discuss what's nice and what is unacceptable behaviour.
Can’t wait to start looking for flash drives in roadside hedges 😂
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Who needs porn with articles like this
And at some point, they will blur the lines of what porn means, and bit by bit everything that meant something to you will be banned until nothing is left but what they like.
They’re already trying to label trans people simply existing as porn
History is quite unoriginal.
Easiest solution: point the fucking DNS to a family safe one and lock it behind passcode. Done.
This is how you “protect the children.” Not by making a burden on everyone else. I don’t need age verification on the internet, ever.
Good luck explaining this to congress
Some of those fossils predate combination locks. Good luck educating them on anything built after the 14th century.
If they truly understand, we won’t have this shit now.
In the words of the Spartans: if
What do you mean lock it behind a passcode? How?
The router settings, require a password to change whether it’s in family safe mode or not
What about the kids modifying the DNS settings or modifying the hosts file on their own machine?
Lock the settings app behind a passcode too, there’s ways to block things like settings… Not sure if that works for individual screens in there though
I mean tbf, I think if your kid is smart enough to work out they need to log into the router to change the DNS settings then they can probably figure out how to set it on their end device too. Unless you’re also blocking VPNs and non-dhcp directed DNS requests too.
I think the obvious solution is to force router makers to have a more user-friendly way to enable child-friendly features (we did that with TVs, why not the internet?) rather than forcing websites to either shutdown or do sketchy shit like take IDs. I work as a tech for an ISP, I assure you most people can’t figure out (or are barely able to even with instructions) how to change the default wifi, there’s no chance in hell you’re gonna explain to them how to point traffic to a custom dns.
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The main avenue of kids accessing the internet is via their smartphone. I’m not too knowledged into the functionality and capabilities of the built in parental by Google and Apple. Can anybody chime in and explain?
It will be nice to have somekind of MDM solutions, ideally free with a nice guided setup, for parents managing kid’s phone.
Apple provides a lot of choices through “Family Sharing” where parents manage settings through iCloud. You can restrict apps, times, duration, content by ratings, websites, purchases, calling, etc
When my kids were little and got their first phones, Family Sharing didn’t really exist yet, but there were apps that might be more similar to what you’re thinking. However my restrictions actions were pretty minimal - mainly to limit screen time overall and after lights out
Maybe they’re not really trying to protect children.
Maybe there will be less and less reasons to use internet at all.
An optimist, huh?
After war on drugs failed you got to spend all that anger on something and find a new enemy.
War on healthcare ain’t getting them off anymore, but war on food security has a promising future
The war on drugs didn’t fail. It’s still an ongoing failure.
Looking at it from the outside it doesn’t look like a failure at all, it provides the prison industrial complex with an endless stream of
slavescheap prison labour. If we assume that that’s the actual goal, it’s a resounding success..