Then why are they this willing to lay but then cry about price of eggs (which is criminal)
Why is he so willing to pay corporate tax without a thought but gasoline price will drive his voting patterns?!
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 06 May 16:53
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Good. If I download an app with the intent to pay a content creator who uses that app to post content, I don’t see why my choice of app store should have any bearing on how much of that money goes to the content creator, nor why the company who hosts that app on their store should get any income from said internal payments whatsoever.
Patreon (and everyone else) already pays Apple to simply host the app in their store. Apple is double-dipping by doing this and throwing an absolute fit comparable to that of a toddler who was just told “no”.
Anyone who cares could have just gone to the website to make their payment but the real fucked up thing is that Apple ToS prevents them from disclosing that.
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 06 May 17:19
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The system isn’t broken; it’s working as intended.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world
on 07 May 14:52
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They did disclose it, though. I got popups every time I logged in for weeks warning of the imminent additional cut Apple was going to take from donators/creators, which explicitly spelled out that payments made via other platforms would not be affected by this cut.
Maybe they were prevented from doing so in the iOS app, but they sure did it everywhere else.
Patreon app is literally their website. What does it do that the website does not? Notifications? Offline images? All of these can be done in your mobile browser.
Too little, too late. I only know 2 creators that I supported who stayed through all this. Most quit patreon when it was announced... this is hardly the worst of the fees they charge people.
paraphrand@lemmy.world
on 06 May 18:20
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So how many quit? Can you name them? Where did they move to?
7 out of 9, yes, one went to self-hosted, another left in favor of youtube directly, the rest in favor of twitch.
The last two I follow on Patreon (Techmoan and My Mate Vince) just sorta rolled past the whole thing.
Only one who wrote about it was the one who went self-hosted, the rest didn't talk about it. I would guess it ended up being the final straw, like "why direct people to X to back me instead of just promoting myself where they see me." Especially if, as you say, the cut was so similar.
I didn’t even know Patreon had a mobile app. To me, Patreon is just one of those Big Adult Things you have to do on a computer. Seems to work just fine on mobile browser (Firefox for Android) though. Apple being mega greedy as usual.
UntitledQuitting@reddthat.com
on 06 May 23:09
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As someone who attempts to watch content on the iOS app, it’s a massive pile of shit and you’re right to use the browser only
The change from pay per episode to per month was a direct result of crApple’s 30% tax. This hurt Patreon directly because a bunch of creators were pissed about the change and blamed Patreon for not fighting back, so they left. So Patreon has lost revenue over this, how much I have no idea but I know several of the podcasts I listen to have stopped asking you to pay via Patreon and are now asking you to donate via Substack or their private donation page.
If you are releasing regularly - MWF, or every Sunday a monthly subscription works well. However if you are the type that makes good content but can't release often you want pay per episode. If you sometimes release twice a month, and sometimes go months between a release it isn't fair to ask your viewers to subscribe in months where they get nothing.
True, but the podcasters I heard about this from were posting at least once a week with one three times a week. They were all pissed and talked about how it would potentially hurt their subscribership. And most left because of the switch.
Having only been a patron and not a creator I have no way to back up any of this other than relay the things I heard from their rants… which there were quite a few of after the initial announcement.
billwashere@lemmy.world
on 06 May 22:37
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Why are we ceding control over our personal computers to organizations who would limit our use of them?
If we have platforms capable of running arbitrary code then we should be able to do it.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world
on 07 May 14:50
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This is exactly it. It feels like about 99% of the crap these companies are pushing has no reason to be an app. Patreon is already primarily a web page. I guarantee you everything anyone cares about in the app you can do on the mobile version of the web page. Without being locked to the App Store/Google Play, and on (practically) any device. Isn’t that what these companies should want in the first place? Totally device and platform agnostic, ready for the maximum amount of suckers potential paying customers to be able to access it?
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I'm glad everyone is getting away from the Apple tax.
Normie has no problem paying... He is rich
Ain’t no billions of rich normies around these days.
This guy/gal fucks
Then why are they this willing to lay but then cry about price of eggs (which is criminal)
Why is he so willing to pay corporate tax without a thought but gasoline price will drive his voting patterns?!
Good. If I download an app with the intent to pay a content creator who uses that app to post content, I don’t see why my choice of app store should have any bearing on how much of that money goes to the content creator, nor why the company who hosts that app on their store should get any income from said internal payments whatsoever.
Patreon (and everyone else) already pays Apple to simply host the app in their store. Apple is double-dipping by doing this and throwing an absolute fit comparable to that of a toddler who was just told “no”.
Anyone who cares could have just gone to the website to make their payment but the real fucked up thing is that Apple ToS prevents them from disclosing that.
Wow. That’s pretty shitty.
This is standard corpo parasitic behaviour...
Now apply this logic to health care and here we be 🤡
Yep.
The system isn’t broken; it’s working as intended.
They did disclose it, though. I got popups every time I logged in for weeks warning of the imminent additional cut Apple was going to take from donators/creators, which explicitly spelled out that payments made via other platforms would not be affected by this cut.
Maybe they were prevented from doing so in the iOS app, but they sure did it everywhere else.
Yes that is what I was referring to.
Patreon app is literally their website. What does it do that the website does not? Notifications? Offline images? All of these can be done in your mobile browser.
Notifications, and no browser UI to get in the way. You can do a PWA, but that’s beyond the scope of the average user.
xkcd.com/3074/
No app needed. Tell me if it works on your phone.
That comic says to do the opposite and to NOT implement browser notifications…
Yup, because they are annoying, not because they do not work.
Pretty much every news site asks you to enable browser notifications.
No browser UI to get in the way? Is it really that difficult to manage?
I’m not the one complaining, I know how to manage all of that.
I’m talking about the average user.
Fair point.
Don’t forget data gathering.
And possibly but probably not; 2FA
Too little, too late. I only know 2 creators that I supported who stayed through all this. Most quit patreon when it was announced... this is hardly the worst of the fees they charge people.
So how many quit? Can you name them? Where did they move to?
7 out of 9, yes, one went to self-hosted, another left in favor of youtube directly, the rest in favor of twitch.
The last two I follow on Patreon (Techmoan and My Mate Vince) just sorta rolled past the whole thing.
Interesting. AFAIK YouTube takes a 30% cut on donations.
Twitch takes 50% of subs.
Sounds like the self hosted person is the only one who actually made an improvement?
I might be out of date on my numbers.
Only one who wrote about it was the one who went self-hosted, the rest didn't talk about it. I would guess it ended up being the final straw, like "why direct people to X to back me instead of just promoting myself where they see me." Especially if, as you say, the cut was so similar.
Yeah, and doing it on platform/in context means lower friction too. And sometimes has perks only available that way.
Patreon’s own fees are too high and were restructured in a scummy way.
Ohh wow Tim the creep apple is doing an extortion?!
Deny this parasite profit and engagement 🐸
I didn’t even know Patreon had a mobile app. To me, Patreon is just one of those Big Adult Things you have to do on a computer. Seems to work just fine on mobile browser (Firefox for Android) though. Apple being mega greedy as usual.
As someone who attempts to watch content on the iOS app, it’s a massive pile of shit and you’re right to use the browser only
The change from pay per episode to per month was a direct result of crApple’s 30% tax. This hurt Patreon directly because a bunch of creators were pissed about the change and blamed Patreon for not fighting back, so they left. So Patreon has lost revenue over this, how much I have no idea but I know several of the podcasts I listen to have stopped asking you to pay via Patreon and are now asking you to donate via Substack or their private donation page.
If you are releasing regularly - MWF, or every Sunday a monthly subscription works well. However if you are the type that makes good content but can't release often you want pay per episode. If you sometimes release twice a month, and sometimes go months between a release it isn't fair to ask your viewers to subscribe in months where they get nothing.
True, but the podcasters I heard about this from were posting at least once a week with one three times a week. They were all pissed and talked about how it would potentially hurt their subscribership. And most left because of the switch.
Having only been a patron and not a creator I have no way to back up any of this other than relay the things I heard from their rants… which there were quite a few of after the initial announcement.
0% is “up to 30%”
Fuck closed off mobile stores, it’s all a scam.
Why are we ceding control over our personal computers to organizations who would limit our use of them?
If we have platforms capable of running arbitrary code then we should be able to do it.
This is exactly it. It feels like about 99% of the crap these companies are pushing has no reason to be an app. Patreon is already primarily a web page. I guarantee you everything anyone cares about in the app you can do on the mobile version of the web page. Without being locked to the App Store/Google Play, and on (practically) any device. Isn’t that what these companies should want in the first place? Totally device and platform agnostic, ready for the maximum amount of
suckerspotential paying customers to be able to access it?